60 minutes covers Benghazi debacle.

[IGBT]

clearly your obama is up to his hips in a abuse of powers fiasco that will eventually come to light.

 

[shortylickens]

clearly your obama is up to his hips in a abuse of powers fiasco that will eventually come to light.

Come to light yes.
Impeachment?
Punishment after office?
Not likely.

 

[ivwshane]

Daily Kos for one lists 9/11 as a Bush scandal.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/17/1209848/-List-of-Bush-Admin-scandals#

That lefty-kook enough for you?

(Now have fun doing a search of daily-kook for a similar list of "Obama Admin scandals- because basically it'd be many of the exact same things, and a lot more. I'm sure you'll find it.)

Anyway, what's the big deal? I recall liberals making up all sorts of scandals over 9/11: Bush was warned and kept reading to kids for 7 whole minutes before getting up to leave: SCANDAL! Libs threw a hissy over that for months.

Then there was some 'scandal' over exactly where Air Force One flew immediately thereafter. And the nutty conspiracy theories libs were making up and throwing a hissy over after 9/11 are legendary.

Anyway, it's not surprising to anyone that the usual leftwing serfs are on their knees for Dear Leader, ignoring all the rotten things his administration has been caught doing. That's what leftwing serfs do for their puppet masters.

Try again. The list lists the torpedoing of the 9/11 commission as a scandal not 9/11 itself.

 

[ivwshane]

I googled for you guys earlier in the thread. If you want me to Google for you again, please PM me for my hourly consulting rate.

No you didn't, you linked to a google search called, "9/11 warnings ignored". They were. Now show me where dems called it a scandal.

 

[Zaap]

Try again. The list lists the torpedoing of the 9/11 commission as a scandal not 9/11 itself.

...and you're wrong, as usual. It's under "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US"

 

[ivwshane]

...and you're wrong, as usual. It's under "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US"

You are correct I missed that. Congrats! It only took 12 years for them to call it a scandal and I'd hardly call a website a democrat but hey you were close enough.

Here's a cookie:

 

[TerryMathews]

You are correct I missed that. Congrats! It only took 12 years for them to call it a scandal and I'd hardly call a website a democrat but hey you were close enough.

Here's a cookie:

Wow, I'm amazed at how graciously you admit defeat. /s

 

[Siddhartha]

Proof of this? Just to be clear, this is a grade school level argument (if one wants to call it an argument at all) but you made it so let's see what you've got to back it up. Put on your big boy pants and roll it out for us.

Lindsey Graham is an example. He has been in Congress since 1995. Did he push to have any of the foreign attacks on US embassies and or US citizens that happened during the Bush adminstration?

 

[boomerang]

Lindsey Graham is an example. He has been in Congress since 1995. Did he push to have any of the foreign attacks on US embassies and or US citizens that happened during the Bush adminstration?

I don't really know. But maybe you'll know, in any of those instances was help denied to the people that were the target of the attacks? If help was requested and denied, how many deaths resulted from the inaction of our government?

Or, maybe it's just easier to say "What difference at this point does it make!"

Oh, and your question doesn't make any sense. You're asking if Lindsey Graham was responsible for the attacks. You should probably edit it.

 

[bshole]

I don't really know. But maybe you'll know, in any of those instances was help denied to the people that were the target of the attacks? If help was requested and denied, how many deaths resulted from the inaction of our government?

Or, maybe it's just easier to say "What difference at this point does it make!"

Oh, and your question doesn't make any sense. You're asking if Lindsey Graham was responsible for the attacks. You should probably edit it.

WTF? 4 people died. If "help" had come, the death rate would most likely be higher not lower. I don't believe for a second that the chicken hawks give a good gawd damn about the 4 victims, they care only about besmirching a great American president. Thankfully all of the shit is landing on themselves while leaving Obama smelling like a rose.

I love how the Tea Party immediately switches to BenGhazi the very second that their effort to send America over the fiscal cliff fails. Wonder when they will bring the birth certificate up again.

Has the the Tea Party gone too far? Have they stepped into the treason arena? They have done much damage to America and it looks like they are bound and determined to continue destroying our nation. How much more of this treachery can we good American citizens stand? At some point we are going to have to stop the bully from kicking sand into our faces.

 

[TerryMathews]

WTF? 4 people died. If "help" had come, the death rate would most likely be higher not lower. I don't believe for a second that the chicken hawks give a good gawd damn about the 4 victims, they care only about besmirching a great American president. Thankfully all of the shit is landing on themselves while leaving Obama smelling like a rose.

I love how the Tea Party immediately switches to BenGhazi the very second that their effort to send America over the fiscal cliff fails. Wonder when they will bring the birth certificate up again.

Lol @ "great American president"

You're an idiot if you think we lacked sufficient forces to repel these rioters without suffering blue team casualties. We chose not to deploy force, probably for political reasons. Big difference.

 

[Pens1566]

Lol @ "great American president"

You're an idiot if you think we lacked sufficient forces to repel these rioters without suffering blue team casualties. We chose not to deploy force, probably for political reasons. Big difference.

Deploy from where? How long to respond?

 

[bshole]

If your Benghazi Boner persists for more than four hours, turn off Fox News and consult your doctor.

 

[TerryMathews]

Deploy from where? How long to respond?

I don't know but reports had the engagement being longer than 8 hours.

If we let ourselves get in a situation where all reinforcements were more than 8 hours away, then shame on us.

I find that extremely difficult to believe.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

If your Benghazi Boner persists for more than four hours, turn off Fox News and consult your doctor.

 

[rudder]

WTF? 4 people died. If "help" had come, the death rate would most likely be higher not lower. I don't believe for a second that the chicken hawks give a good gawd damn about the 4 victims, they care only about besmirching a great American president. Thankfully all of the shit is landing on themselves while leaving Obama smelling like a rose.

The ambassador knew he was an al-qaeda target. There were multiple requests for beefed-up security well prior to any actual attack. All requests were denied. The U.S. was running weapons to jihadists in Syria from that location.

When the attack finally happened... nothing was done. members of congress investigating this were not allowed to interview survivors.

obama smells like a rose alright.... unfortunately smelling good is the only thing he is good at.

 

[Bowfinger]

I don't know but reports had the engagement being longer than 8 hours.

If we let ourselves get in a situation where all reinforcements were more than 8 hours away, then shame on us.

I find that extremely difficult to believe.

I bolded the only part of your post that matters. You. Don't. Know. All the wishful thinking and second-guessing of the keyboard commandos notwithstanding, the FACT remains that experienced, professional Pentagon experts determined we should not attempt a military response to the attack. This wasn't a movie, it was real. We simply did not have the right resources in the right positions with the right preparation and support. If you want more details, I suggest you dig out any of the dozen previous threads where this talking point was repeatedly refuted.

 

[Bowfinger]

The ambassador knew he was an al-qaeda target.

Yet in spite of being far better informed about the situation and risks in Benghazi than you, Ambassador Stevens made a decision to travel to Benghazi anyway. While we may never know why he felt the risk was reasonable, we do know that he was far more qualified to make that judgment. You and your Fox-guzzling brethren simply have no standing to second-guess his decision.

There were multiple requests for beefed-up security well prior to any actual attack.

Here's where you can run away again. How many other diplomatic stations around the world were asking for additional resources at the same time? What, specifically, was requested for the outpost in Benghazi, as opposed to the embassy in Tripoli, other embassies, and the hundreds of other State Department facilities around the world? What made Benghazi a higher priority than all those other requests. How many extra billions are you willing to appropriate to State so they can turn every one of their facilities into an impregnable fortress? (You do realize Republicans cut their funding, right?)

What do you mean, you don't know? If you're going to continue to assert speculation and innuendo as fact, you better find out what the hell you're talking about. Otherwise, you'll just be yet another useless partisan blowhard. We wouldn't want that, right?

All requests were denied.

False. According to sworn Congressional testimony, we spent millions of dollars to upgrade and reinforce the Benghazi facility. Tragically, it just wasn't enough given the "unprecedented" ferocity and duration of the attack (again, according to sworn testimony).

The U.S. was running weapons to jihadists in Syria from that location.

More empty speculation posing as fact. I've seen no credible sources reporting this as anything more than idle speculation.

When the attack finally happened... nothing was done. members of congress investigating this were not allowed to interview survivors.

obama smells like a rose alright.... unfortunately smelling good is the only thing he is good at.

You are certainly welcome to your opinions, no matter how ill-informed and self-serving they may be. You don't get your own facts, however, which is the crux of the nutters' Benghazi outrage. Sustaining it requires ignoring real facts and replacing them with disinformation and unsupported speculation.

 

[AViking]

If your Benghazi Boner persists for more than four hours, turn off Fox News and consult your doctor.

^^

Ask your doctor if Benghazi is right for you

 

[MagickMan]

Anyone else notice how the people who are jumping up and down, screaming, and rending their garments over what happened in Benghazi did not say anything about similar tragedies that occurred during the Reagan and George W Bush adminstrations?

I have come to the conclusion that these people are using the murder of US citizens to further their political objectives.

This has fuck-all to do with the present discussion, you know?

 

[TerryMathews]

I bolded the only part of your post that matters. You. Don't. Know. All the wishful thinking and second-guessing of the keyboard commandos notwithstanding, the FACT remains that experienced, professional Pentagon experts determined we should not attempt a military response to the attack. This wasn't a movie, it was real. We simply did not have the right resources in the right positions with the right preparation and support. If you want more details, I suggest you dig out any of the dozen previous threads where this talking point was repeatedly refuted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWEM5lLU8iw

If there were no assets that could respond, then there was no reason to order them to "Hold in Place". Right?

 

[MagickMan]

Come to light yes.
Impeachment?
Punishment after office?
Not likely.

Depends. He'd better hope a Dem wins the next presidential election.

 

[Bowfinger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWEM5lLU8iw

If there were no assets that could respond, then there was no reason to order them to "Hold in Place". Right?

You have to read ALL the words: " the right resources in the right positions with the right preparation and support". Anything short of that just increases the number of dead Americans.

You also skipped the most important point. No matter how fervently you believe your uninformed speculation and wishful thinking trumps the real experts in the Pentagon, it does not. Period.

 

[TerryMathews]

You have to read ALL the words: " the right resources in the right positions with the right preparation and support". Anything short of that just increases the number of dead Americans.

You also skipped the most important point. No matter how fervently you believe your uninformed speculation and wishful thinking trumps the real experts in the Pentagon, it does not. Period.

And you have to read all of mine: if we really had an outpost where reinforcements were +8 hours away, that was a strategic failure on our part.

 

[bshole]

And you have to read all of mine: if we really had an outpost where reinforcements were +8 hours away, that was a strategic failure on our part.

Whoa, you just jumped off the Tea Party narrative. Strategic failure != Impeachable scandal