5850 crossfire or gtx 465 sli?

[Grooveriding]

I see you don't read the thread or look at any links, just state you opinion with nothing to back it up.

=biased troll. Sorry

I don't need to, of course I see you link to guru3d, as always, and I have no doubt your link is yet another far cry 2 or batman aa benchmark.

I'm not biased in the least I buy the top end, from either vendor. And I state what I honestly see as being the better card / technology leader at any given time and currently that is ATI.

I think it's well established who the main troll around these parts is though.

 

[geno247]

i have good experience with amd. the phenom can run on four unlockable cores. and i personally dont have the money for i7

 

[dust]

Here we go with the canned benches argument again.
Suddenly when ATI cards are starting to get there ass kicked someone says we need a new way to bench after 10 years. pleeeese!

Well pls correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand, the performance throughout the games is actually different than the one shown by these "canned" benchmarks, however you'd still have us look at these numbers as determinant when selecting either of the brands, just because they're in favor of one of them mainly.

At the same time you minimize the importance about the other factors( again heat/oc/noise/power used or better said efficiency per mm2, factors highlighted even by the very sites you seem to prefer when posting links here) and again, all of this while the difference shown is minimal between them?

Bottom line is that the 465 MIGHT have been an ok choice if the price was set at the 200$-230$ range and probably with better efficiency in regards to the heat/etc. All the drivers in the world won't keep it from sucking that extra 50W compared to the 5850.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Ok here is some benches for ya. In most cases the gtx 465 = a 5850.
The gtx 470 easily beats it.


http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid...e=expert&pid=2

Here is some benchs for you

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-465-sli-review/12

In most cases the 5830=GTX 465, a 5850 close to a GTX 470 and CF 5850 beats SLI GTX 465.

I don't need to, of course I see you link to guru3d, as always, and I have no doubt your link is yet another far cry 2 or batman aa benchmark.

I'm not biased in the least I buy the top end, from either vendor. And I state what I honestly see as being the better card / technology leader at any given time and currently that is ATI.

I think it's well established who the main troll around these parts is though.

The funny thing is he list guru3d for temps and noise because it looks good but ignores the benchmarks that show GTX 465 = 5830 and Cf 5850 faster than SLI 465.


Sincerely I don't mind people being biased - everyone is and people are entitled to brand preference.

What I dislike is people trying to twist facts or present data from only a certain point of view.

 

[busydude]

i have good experience with amd. the phenom can run on four unlockable cores. and i personally dont have the money for i7

I really don't understand your situation. You say you don't have the money for an i7, yet you are ready to spend money on 2 465's. How is that logical? Two 465's at your res is a definite over kill. If you are planning to go the AMD way atleast go for a 955.

I am not sure what kind of games do you even play. A SINGLE 5850/465 would serve you even at high quality settings.

 

[toyota]

Toyota, your a moron do some research and you dont think that a 4 ghz phenom wont keep up with two 465s?
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2490&page=2

I am pretty sure Ill be going with the 465 in sli.

I am a moron?
you are a moron for going with a dual core cpu for a brand new build and trying to run a high end sli or crossfire setup. you will already be losing out on performance now and then the next time you upgrade your gpus you will be losing even more.

funny how you have plenty of money for a 5850 crossfire or gtx465 setup but you dont have money to get a proper cpu for a high end rig.


EDIT: and now that your link works, please tell me how you came to the conclusion that your cpu is fine with gtx465 sli based on that review. do you really think that your X2 cpu can keep up with gtx465 sli just because that review showed it could play Crysis and the original FEAR with a single gts250? lol.

 

[ugaboga232]

I didn't know Edios is owned by Nvidia?

Translation....

Ati didn't work with the game company to have it implemented correctly.

Another thing Nvidia does right, makes sure games work out of the box with their drivers.
TWIMTBP works!

Nvidia developed the code, so they won't let Eidos drop the vendor block. You know this, yet you ignore it? I am starting believe you are a very good troll as nvidia also had a problem with drivers frying cards (disabled fans lol).

Also don't start that it is nvidia's code, they can do w/e they want with it. Ati should then be able to do whatever they want with all they code they developed, so why should nvidia get a free lunch? Also, the code works perfectly, so there is no reason why Ati can't use it.

Still, you sidestepped the issues I brought it up in the other post.

1. They are both over 60 fps in mins, why does it matter then about this game?
2. They didn't use the hack which works, to equalize settings.

 

[happy medium]

Hey I used the Guru benches because this thread is about crossfire vs sli, not a single gtx 465 vs a 5850.

sli'd gtx 465's at 500$ is a good match for crossfired 5850's at 565$,because sli just scales better, we all know that.
As for heat and noise,the gtx 465 does much better then the other gtx cards and is very close to a 5850,just read the review.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-465-sli-review/10

That article was done with recent drivers also.

 

[RussianSensation]

5850 has a significant performance advantage over a single GTX465 and rather competes with a GTX470. It is hard to imagine how a GTX465 SLI setup will have any chance of matching 5850s in CF.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/06/22/asus-geforce-gtx-465-graphics-card-review/4

A single GTX465 also consumes 70 Watts more power at load vs. a 5850. Add to this 5850's ability to overclock to 5870's speeds makes the 5850 CF setup simply better from every perspective other than Tessellation performance and a slight price premium.

 

[happy medium]

Russian read these reviews......

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/3329/galaxy_geforce_gtx_465_in_sli_overclocked/index19.html

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-465-sli-review/

The Evga gtx 465 cards are currently 250$ shipped (sli for 500$) at the Egg and beat out a 500$ gtx 480 easy.

They also overclock real nice most sites have them well over 700 core.
http://www.gpureview.com/gpureviews-gtx-465-overclocking-roundup-article-853.html

These cards are not bad for the money in sli.

 

[Skurge]

All these reviews are really pointless if his gonna use dual 5850/470 with a dual core CPU on a 1680x1050 monitor.

The OP is better off getting a 1080P monitor and a 5870 or a GTX480.

 

[hawtdawg]

I hear that some of the 465's can be unlocked to 470's. Nvidia can't sell their parts fast enough, so some are being sold as cheaper parts. ASUS is who provided the unlock, you might have the best chance with their 465's. An nvidia 470 for 280 dollars is a pretty good deal.

http://downloads.guru3d.com/ASUS-GTX-465-to-470-unlocker-download-2561.html

^^^^^

 

[toyota]

All these reviews are really pointless if his gonna use dual 5850/470 with a dual core CPU on a 1680x1050 monitor.

The OP is better off getting a 1080P monitor and a 5870 or a GTX480.

or he could stop calling me a moron, pull his head out of his butt and just build a proper pc in the first place. its ridiculous to build a new gaming pc at this point with a dual core cpu. instead of dropping nearly 600 bucks on video cards now he should invest $150-$250 more in getting an i5 or i7 quad setup and just go with a single 5850/470/5870.

 

[Skurge]

or he could stop calling me a moron, pull his head out of his butt and just build a proper pc in the first place. its ridiculous to build a new gaming pc at this point with a dual core cpu. instead of dropping nearly 600 bucks on video cards now he should invest $150-$250 more in getting an i5 or i7 quad setup and just go with a single 5850/470/5870.

Yeah, this is good advice. I second it.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/radeon-hd5870-cpu-scaling_4.html#sect0

This review should prove your point.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Russian read these reviews......

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/3329/galaxy_geforce_gtx_465_in_sli_overclocked/index19.html

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-465-sli-review/

The Evga gtx 465 cards are currently 250$ shipped (sli for 500$) at the Egg and beat out a 500$ gtx 480 easy.

They also overclock real nice most sites have them well over 700 core.
http://www.gpureview.com/gpureviews-gtx-465-overclocking-roundup-article-853.html

These cards are not bad for the money in sli.

The problem is that CF 5830 will also beat a GTX 480 (even with CF not scaling as well as SLI), can be add for $200, after rebate, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...n=5830&x=0&y=0 , OC great as well, consume less power and a CF 5830 setup will cost $100 less than a GTX 465 SLI setup.

Unfortunately, while there are scores of 5830 reviews, not many CF 5830 out there.

 

[happy medium]

The problem is that CF 5830 will also beat a GTX 480 (even with CF not scaling as well as SLI), can be add for $200, after rebate, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...n=5830&x=0&y=0 , OC great as well, consume less power and a CF 5830 setup will cost $100 less than a GTX 465 SLI setup.

Unfortunately, while there are scores of 5830 reviews, not many CF 5830 out there.

I would say 5830's in crossfire might = a gtx 480 but it seems to beat a 5870.
The gtx 465 in sli beats a gtx 480 by a good margin and comes close to a 5970.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3170/sapphire_radeon_hd_5830_video_card_in_crossfire/index9.html

Edit: gtx 465 reference models can be unlocked to the full 448 cores like the gtx 470 and there are now reports that the PNY version ships with the full amount of memory to make it a gtx 470!

 

[Skurge]

I would say 5830's in crossfire might = a gtx 480 but it seems to beat a 5870.
The gtx 465 in sli beats a gtx 480 by a good margin and comes close to a 5970.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3170/sapphire_radeon_hd_5830_video_card_in_crossfire/index9.html

Edit: gtx 465 reference models can be unlocked to the full 448 cores like the gtx 470 and there are now reports that the PNY version ships with the full amount of memory to make it a gtx 470!

5770 crossfire beats a 5870, im pretty sure 5830 crossfire will beat a 480. I doubt 465 SLI is close to a 5970, unless you have links that show that.

 

[hawtdawg]

5770 crossfire beats a 5870, im pretty sure 5830 crossfire will beat a 480. I doubt 465 SLI is close to a 5970, unless you have links that show that.

There is absolutely no reason that crossfire 5770's would beat a 5870. Both setups would have the same amount of SP's at the same clock speed, and the 5870 would have twice the memory bandwidth.

 

[toyota]

There is absolutely no reason that crossfire 5770's would beat a 5870. Both setups would have the same amount of SP's at the same clock speed, and the 5870 would have twice the memory bandwidth.

actually in many cases it does beat 5870. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/radeon-hd5770-hd5750-crossfirex_8.html#sect1

 

[GaiaHunter]

Edit: gtx 465 reference models can be unlocked to the full 448 cores like the gtx 470 and there are now reports that the PNY version ships with the full amount of memory to make it a gtx 470!

Can be unlocked or can go dead.

Actually this isn't new news.

In some early reviews it was already mentioned about - it is a game that can end with a GTX 470, a GTX 465 or a dead card.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

or he could stop calling me a moron, pull his head out of his butt and just build a proper pc in the first place. its ridiculous to build a new gaming pc at this point with a dual core cpu. instead of dropping nearly 600 bucks on video cards now he should invest $150-$250 more in getting an i5 or i7 quad setup and just go with a single 5850/470/5870.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2084096&highlight=

...


i plan on unlocking the phenom's 2 unused cores making it quad core with the water cooling could boast like 3.8/4 ghz

 

[Sp12]

Regardless, it might not unlock. Even if it does, unlocked chips do not overclock as well.

Even then i5/i7 chips outperform phenom chips in dual-GPU setups.

Personally, I would grab an i7 860 and a 5850 and call it a day for 1680.

 

[geno247]

im getting an i7 920

 

[Sp12]

im getting an i7 920

Only go for X58 if you're determined to crossfire.

But I wouldn't crossfire unless you had a bigger screen, a single GPU will handle that resolution fine. And for a single GPU, you can go for a P55 i7 and save money on the ram/mobo/CPU.

 

[happy medium]

Regardless, it might not unlock. Even if it does, unlocked chips do not overclock as well.

Even then i5/i7 chips outperform phenom chips in dual-GPU setups.

Personally, I would grab an i7 860 and a 5850 and call it a day for 1680.

If you read the thread I posted ,you would see that the fully unlocked pny gtx 465 to a gtx 470 overclocks just fine. Then by using a gtx 480 bios for better voltages they overclock great. 800 core or more.