5850 crossfire or gtx 465 sli?

[geno247]

as title reads

I dont know I have been an nvidia fan for a while but im not sure which to get. OCing is an important factor.

 

[toyota]

well it would help if you actually listed your specs. that being said a gtx465 setup is pretty silly. it uses as much power and runs just as hot as sli gtx470 would while performing worse.


EDIT: just saw your other thread and I think its foolish to build a brand new pc with a dual core Phenom 2 especially if you want to run multiple higher end cards. you need to go with an i5/i7 quad if you want to fully push higher end multi gpu setups. an X2 or even X4 wont fully cut it now and would really limit your next gpu upgrade.

 

[v8envy]

Considering you can get a 470 for about the same price as a 5850 (and it uses less power than a 465), my answer is neither.

Currently SLI scales better and has fewer issues than crossfire, so if you must deal with the headaches of multi-GPU it's the preferable technology. Hot deals on 470s put them at the same prices as 5850s, so if you have a 1000+ watt PSU and want to cure pottery in your computer case the choice is clear.

 

[DaveSimmons]

You might wait for the nvidia x2 card or for the gtx460 which will use much less power than the 465.

The 465 is a noisy, power-sucking beast made from reject chips that failed to work as a 470/480:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3745/nvidias-geforce-gtx-465/14

 

[happy medium]

gtx 465's in sli perform at 95% of a 5850 crossfire system and cost only 500$ shipped.
The 5850's will cost you about 70$ more.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-555-_-Product

Sli gtx 465 review.....as you can see they run at 79c vs 77c for the 5850 and much quieter at 42db vs 42db for a 5830.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-465-sli-review/8

For only 250$ the gtx 465 become a much nicer looking chip.

There is a new gt460 comming out July 12 thats supposed to be decent also.

 

[Will Robinson]

Dual 5850s are faster and cooler running than SLI GTx465,please don't spread FUD.
Here's a quote from a customer on your link...

It just started to freeze and the computer would just lock up. After 2 days the card does not even load into windows it just freezes and even when asking for safe mode it freezes. People said it was the PSU but the computer has a 850w Antec TruePower Quattro that was bought from Newegg and is enough to power it. I am very disappointed in this product and in Newegg because after all of the positive feed back i get a defective

 

[hawtdawg]

I hear that some of the 465's can be unlocked to 470's. Nvidia can't sell their parts fast enough, so some are being sold as cheaper parts. ASUS is who provided the unlock, you might have the best chance with their 465's. An nvidia 470 for 280 dollars is a pretty good deal.

http://downloads.guru3d.com/ASUS-GTX-465-to-470-unlocker-download-2561.html

 

[geno247]

Toyota, your a moron do some research and you dont think that a 4 ghz phenom wont keep up with two 465s?
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2490&page=2

I am pretty sure Ill be going with the 465 in sli.

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Read it, know it, live it.
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[happy medium]

:

Dual 5850s are faster and cooler running than SLI GTx465,please don't spread FUD.
Here's a quote from a customer on your link...

A customer ? You mean a Newegg customer? WOW, you are getting worse.

Card setting TEMP IDLE C TEMP FULL C
GeForce GTX 465 45 79

Now the final GTX boards have gotten a new tweaked BIOS and that definitely shows.

Graphics card (reference) Load TEMP C
GeForce GT 240 512MB 47
Radeon HD 5570 1024MB 60
HIS 5850 iCooler Turbo 61
GBT R5870 SOC 68
Radeon HD 5670 512MB 70
GeForce GTS 250 1GB 72
Radeon HD 5750 1024MB 73
Radeon HD 5870 1024MB 75
Radeon HD 5850 1024MB 77
Radeon HD 5830 1024MB 78
GeForce GTX 465 1024MB 79
GeForce GTX 275 896MB 82
Radeon HD 5970 2048MB 83
GeForce GTX 285 83
GeForce GTX 260 SP216 84
GeForce GTX 480 nw BIOS 88
GeForce GTX 470 94
GeForce GTX 480 reference 95

Noise Level dBA

Radeon HD 5670 512MB 40
Radeon HD 5770 1024MB 41
GeForce GTX 275 41
Radeon HD 5830 1024MB 42
GeForce GTX 465 42
GeForce GTS 250 42
Radeon 5870 42
GeForce GTX 285 43
Radeon HD 5970 2048MB 44
GeForce GTX 470 46
GeForce GTX 480 47

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-465-sli-review/8

Looks just as good as a 5850.

 

[geno247]

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1317/7/

single superlocked gtx 465 beats single 5870. the 465 is now $150 cheaper than the 5870...haha

 

[dust]

:


http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-465-sli-review/8

Looks just as good as a 5850.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-465-sli-review/21

..in case you haven't finished reading

quote:

Realistically though at 279 EUR we feel the GTX 465 should compete with a R5850, and that's just not happening.
...
For this product to be sold like hot buns from the oven, it will need to drop below the 250 USD/EUR marker even go to 200 USD/EUR. In SLI the sky is the limit, and you can achieve massive performance thanks to really good multi-GPU scaling. Recommended -- but barely.

 

[happy medium]

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-465-sli-review/21

..in case you haven't finished reading

quote:

Realistically though at 279 EUR we feel the GTX 465 should compete with a R5850, and that's just not happening.
...
For this product to be sold like hot buns from the oven, it will need to drop below the 250 USD/EUR marker even go to 200 USD/EUR. In SLI the sky is the limit, and you can achieve massive performance thanks to really good multi-GPU scaling. Recommended -- but barely.

Ok here is some benches for ya. In most cases the gtx 465 = a 5850.
The gtx 470 easily beats it.


http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid...e=expert&pid=2

 

[dust]

Ok here is some benches for ya. In most cases the gtx 465 = a 5850.
The gtx 470 easily beats it.


http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid...e=expert&pid=2

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[happy medium]

sorry,

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=928&type=expert&pid=4

 

[ugaboga232]

sorry,

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=928&type=expert&pid=4

Nice link but notice how they have to force AA for Ati? That is why it gets trounced by even the 465. It isn't very hard to get the same AA with the device id trick for the Ati, so that is not a good benchmark to go by.

 

[dust]

I couldn't see the driver used and the performance analysis is rather debatable especially if they used canned benches as they usually do. Real time performance might be different as stated even by a member here who switched from 5850 to 470, ending up somewhat disappointed.

What stays the same however is the noise/heat/power consumption and these ARE parameters worth of considering. Overclocking is another issue and the 5850 would probably run away from the 465 while keeping the temps/power levels/noise at bay. To say these cards are a match is to dismiss all these things but they can't simply be washed away just to prove a point.

I can appreciate your "enthusiasm" but I would appreciate even more if you could put credit where it belongs. Just my 2c.

 

[happy medium]

Nice link but notice how they have to force AA for Ati? That is why it gets trounced by even the 465. It isn't very hard to get the same AA with the device id trick for the Ati, so that is not a good benchmark to go by.

Why did they have to force AA with the ATI cards? What's the difference?
Simple answer there is none.

Don't forget to answer why they have to force aa or use some kind of devise id trick.

 

[happy medium]

I couldn't see the driver used and the performance analysis is rather debatable especially if they used canned benches as they usually do. Real time performance might be different as stated even by a member here who switched from 5850 to 470, ending up somewhat disappointed.

What stays the same however is the noise/heat/power consumption and these ARE parameters worth of considering. Overclocking is another issue and the 5850 would probably run away from the 465 while keeping the temps/power levels/noise at bay. To say these cards are a match is to dismiss all these things but they can't simply be washed away just to prove a point.

I can appreciate your "enthusiasm" but I would appreciate even more if you could put credit where it belongs. Just my 2c.

Here we go with the canned benches argument again.
Suddenly when ATI cards are starting to get there ass kicked someone says we need a new way to bench after 10 years. pleeeese!

 

[Outrage]

Sli gtx 465 review.....as you can see they run at 79c vs 77c for the 5850 and much quieter at 42db vs 42db for a 5830.

both cards are at 42db, but somehow the nvidia card is much quieter ?

 

[busydude]

Toyota, your a moron do some research and you dont think that a 4 ghz phenom wont keep up with two 465s? http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.c...id=2490&page=2 I am pretty sure Ill be going with the 465 in sli.

You asked for some advice and he gave you one. It is a pretty sound one actually. Think for a moment before you go lashing out on anyone.

First of all you did not specify your CPU, Resolution,etc. in this thread and Toyota was kind enough to read your other post and reply accordingly. You build here is so unbalanced, I wonder what kind of research you did on your own. At 1680 X 1050 your games are for sure going to be CPU bottlenecked, an i7 is your best friend here. Atleast Ati's 5XXX are easy on the CPU. Fermi's are not so rewarding on a cheap dual core. Heck, any thing below i7 will bottle neck a fermi.

Do you want me to prove it to you? Look at these benches and decide for yourself. FYI, an i5-750 is considered the best bang/buck gaming CPU in the market currently, and no quad-core AMD CPU can compete with it.

 

[ugaboga232]

Why did they have to force AA with the ATI cards? What's the difference?
Simple answer there is none.

Don't forget to answer why they have to force aa or use some kind of devise id trick.

Because Nvidia didn't allow Eidos to release the improved AA that works with Ati cards. There is a difference, and the fact that you can use the improved AA (standard on other UE3 games) on Ati cards means that benchmark is useless. Besides, they both get minimums above 60 fps, so it's not like nvidia will let him run that game while ati won't.

 

[happy medium]

both cards are at 42db, but somehow the nvidia card is much quieter ?

much quieter then other gtx cards, I meant. sorry

 

[happy medium]

Because Nvidia didn't allow Eidos to release the improved AA that works with Ati cards. There is a difference, and the fact that you can use the improved AA (standard on other UE3 games) on Ati cards means that benchmark is useless. Besides, they both get minimums above 60 fps, so it's not like nvidia will let him run that game while ati won't.

I didn't know Edios is owned by Nvidia?

Translation....

Ati didn't work with the game company to have it implemented correctly.

Another thing Nvidia does right, makes sure games work out of the box with their drivers.
TWIMTBP works!

 

[Grooveriding]

5850 CF is far and away the better choice, faster and less heat. The 465 is the worst turd out of the full lineup of turds nvidia has out currently.

 

[happy medium]

5850 CF is far and away the better choice, faster and less heat. The 465 is the worst turd out of the full lineup of turds nvidia has out currently.

I see you don't read the thread or look at any links, just state you opinion with nothing to back it up.

=biased troll. Sorry