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$576.00 fine for urinating in public?

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Originally posted by: newParadigm
Originally posted by: Kanalua
I think urinating in public demands a $576 fine. And if you have an open container, you deserve a $400 fine. These should be the normal fines, not the triple raised Halloween fines.
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Does public include on the side of an interstate, behind my car because I didn't go at the last rest stop?
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Yep! You betcha!

 
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: uberman
I heard on the radio that this morning that Santa Cruz Police Department (California) is starting a crackdown over Halloween and has raised fines. $400.00 fine for an open container, $576.00 fine for urinating in public, I just thought this was insane. I phoned the radio station and confirmed this This doubling and tripling of fines is commonplace. This practice really impacts a small family or an individual. I watched a special on the building of the autobahn in Germanyand it explained how fines are handled on a sliding scale. In other words, someone who had significant resources paid $20,000 US for a tailgating ticket. Do you think fines of $576.00 for urinating in public or $400.00 fine for an open container are justified?
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It's pretty simple... if you can't afford the $576 or $400 fine, don't commit the offense. Don't people know these things are illegal? 😕
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UGH. Don't you legalists get it, the point is the law is immoral because people feel that the punishment is inappropriate for the crime.

By your argument, if the punishment was torture followed by excruciating death, it would be completely fine, so long as the punishment was posted.

What if the punishment was death for sneezing in public. Would it still be okay so long as the punishment was posted? :roll:
 
Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
i got an $180 for drinking in public and i thought that was crazy (who the hell am i hurting drinking a beer before going into a Dodgers game???)...$400 is ridiculous...unless you are drunk making a scene, then they should arrest you for public intoxication.

I like how other countries do it, such as Germany, you can drink anywhere, even while driving as long as you aren't drunk driving or causing a scene in public, in which case I think the penalties are much harsher then here
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Yes, in Germany you can drink on the street or in a car. Drunk in public is frowned upon. The driver cannot drink. I remember driving across Germany to East Berlin, when the wall was up. My friend drove the Honda car. I was passing champagne bottles back and forth with the girls. It's nice to drink champagne while the world flies by at 100mph.

 
Originally posted by: So

UGH. Don't you legalists get it, the point is the law is immoral because people feel that the punishment is inappropriate for the crime.

By your argument, if the punishment was torture followed by excruciating death, it would be completely fine, so long as the punishment was posted.

What if the punishment was death for sneezing in public. Would it still be okay so long as the punishment was posted? :roll:
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No, as I already said I don't think the punishment is inappropriate. It is probably higher than average, but it appears that it is in response to the failure of the previous punishment to eliminate the problem.

I take issue with the OP's claim that this law is unfair to poor people (I assume that's what he meant by "small failies and individuals," because otherwise that makes no sense). Poor people know they're poor, and they know these things are against the law. Whether the punishment is $50 or $450, they'd be stupid to break these laws.

And regarding the last line of your post... wow. That made sense while you were typing it?
 
Originally posted by: bobdelt
It's pretty simple... if you can't afford the $576 or $400 fine, don't commit the offense. Don't people know these things are illegal?
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Why not make it the death penalty then?
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Why not be the third idiot to post something like that?
 
sheesh , you guys act like sadam hussain decided what the fine would be
the fines are set by the city council or whatever elected official is in charge of such things

so if you don't like it, find out and get them out of office by electing someone who will make the fine $5
 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
sheesh , you guys act like sadam hussain decided what the fine would be
the fines are set by the city council or whatever elected official is in charge of such things

so if you don't like it, find out and get them out of office by electing someone who will make the fine $5
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Exactly what we need to do 'bout weed.
 
Originally posted by: uberman
This doubling and tripling of fines is commonplace. This practice really impacts a small family or an individual.
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Guess what? You know the law. You know the fines. The practice doesn't impact the family, the idiot who breaks the law does.

 
Originally posted by: uberman
I heard on the radio this morning that Santa Cruz Police Department (California) is starting a crackdown over Halloween and has raised fines. $400.00 fine for an open container, $576.00 fine for urinating in public, I just thought this was insane. I phoned the radio station and confirmed this This doubling and tripling of fines is commonplace. This practice really impacts a small family or an individual. I watched a special on the building of the autobahn in Germany and it explained how fines are handled on a sliding scale. In other words, someone who had significant resources paid $20,000 US for a tailgating ticket. Do you think fines of $576.00 for urinating in public or $400.00 fine for an open container are justified?
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It's called Operation Stop Being Such Pathetic Dumbasses.

Originally posted by: uberman
Originally posted by: potato28
Thats y I go in the bush
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Going in a bush is urinating in public. To be frank I can't remember the last time I took a leak in the bushes, and no I wasn't drinking. But the fine thing has gotten out of hand.
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And the thing is, depending on where you are in the country, urinating in the woods or bushes or roadside, whatever, it's perfectly fine, because there really isn't anywhere else to do it. Either that, or there's no one around, so it doesn't really matter.
Culture clash. 😛
 
Obviously the fines are meant to be a deterrent. They are tripling them for one night as a deterrent. Most of the time they are a third of that. Just plan ahead for your bladder, and finish your drink before you leave and it won't be an issue.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7
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And the thing is, depending on where you are in the country, urinating in the woods or bushes or roadside, whatever, it's perfectly fine, because there really isn't anywhere else to do it. Either that, or there's no one around, so it doesn't really matter.
Culture clash. 😛[/quote]

Make sure you tell the officer that while he's writing you the citation. You might also want to tell them when you pay the ticket. You could even tell them in court.

 
Originally posted by: uberman

Make sure you tell the officer that while he's writing you the citation. You might also want to tell them when you pay the ticket. You could even tell them in court.
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I doubt public urination laws are strictly enforced outside of towns.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: uberman

Make sure you tell the officer that while he's writing you the citation. You might also want to tell them when you pay the ticket. You could even tell them in court.
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I doubt public urination laws are strictly enforced outside of towns.
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Mugs, you are backsliding from your previous position.
Mugs said "It's pretty simple... if you can't afford the $576 or $400 fine, don't commit the offense. Don't people know these things are illegal?"
Now your saying the laws aren't enforced or in your words:
"I doubt public urination laws are strictly enforced outside of towns."
You use the words, "I doubt...," meaning you really don't know and are unsure of yourself.
Pick a strong point and stay with it or give up because you are unsure and/or can't defend it.

 
Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: getbush
Walk around all night with a clear plastic cup full of apple juice.
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I prefer the Aquafina bottle and vodka.
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That's an excellent strategy. But Getbush might get rich suing the police after he's clubbed and cited for public intoxication while sipping apple juice

 
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