$576.00 fine for urinating in public?

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: mugs


It's pretty simple... if you can't afford the $576 or $400 fine, don't commit the offense. Don't people know these things are illegal?

You didn't seem to use any free thought at all there. Where do you draw the line and say that a certain fine is just too much? What if they made jaywalking a $5000 offense? Would you just say, "it's simple, don't jaywalk", or would you decide that the fine doesn't match the offense and that the government is abusing their power?

I can tell you if speeding was a mandatory $10,000 fine and 6 months in jail, I would be going 5 under for the rest of my life.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: uberman

Make sure you tell the officer that while he's writing you the citation. You might also want to tell them when you pay the ticket. You could even tell them in court.

I doubt public urination laws are strictly enforced outside of towns.

Mugs, you are backsliding from your previous position.
Mugs said "It's pretty simple... if you can't afford the $576 or $400 fine, don't commit the offense. Don't people know these things are illegal?"
Now your saying the laws aren't enforced or in your words:
"I doubt public urination laws are strictly enforced outside of towns."
You use the words, "I doubt...," meaning you really don't know and are unsure of yourself.

I'm not backsliding at all.

I've never said that I think the laws are strictly enforced or that I think they should be strictly enforced, I was simply saying that if you are fined for public urination/open container you have no one to blame but yourself.

I am not unsure of myself, I am unsure of the facts regarding public urination enforcement (please, PLEASE, before you take that last sentence out of context THINK). HOWEVER, I theorized that public urination laws are more strictly enforced in towns where the townsfolk want to keep the "riff raff" out. A cop who fines someone for pissing on the side of a highway is just being a jerk. From this I assume that public urination laws are not as strictly enforced outside of towns.

Pick a strong point and stay with it or give up because you are unsure and/or can't defend it.

My first post was complete unrelated to my last post, I don't see how that was unclear to you.

 

[uberman]

Mugs said, "...My first post was complete unrelated to my last post, I don't see how that was unclear to you..."

It's your opinion and if you change it from post to post, that's ok too. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I did not realize you had changed your mind. I apologize for any misunderstanding.

 

[MetalMat]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: mugs


It's pretty simple... if you can't afford the $576 or $400 fine, don't commit the offense. Don't people know these things are illegal?

You didn't seem to use any free thought at all there. Where do you draw the line and say that a certain fine is just too much? What if they made jaywalking a $5000 offense? Would you just say, "it's simple, don't jaywalk", or would you decide that the fine doesn't match the offense and that the government is abusing their power?

I can tell you if speeding was a mandatory $10,000 fine and 6 months in jail, I would be going 5 under for the rest of my life.

You would love living under a dictatorship.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: uberman
Mugs said, "...My first post was complete unrelated to my last post, I don't see how that was unclear to you..."

It's your opinion and if you change it from post to post, that's ok too. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I did not realize you had changed your mind. I apologize for any misunderstanding.

PLEASE show me how I've changed my opinion. PLEASE. I've already explained to you how I have not changed my opinion, but for some reason you ignored that part of my post.

 

[dxkj]

I think there is a reason that these types of things are dealt with in monetary amounts, not physical.

You don't get whipped, you get fined.
You don't get killed, you get fined.

Money = learn your lesson or go broke.

Certain things are against the law, live and deal with it, or move to another country.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: mugs
It's pretty simple... if you can't afford the $576 or $400 fine, don't commit the offense. Don't people know these things are illegal?

UGH. Don't you legalists get it, the point is the law is immoral because people feel that the punishment is inappropriate for the crime.

By your argument, if the punishment was torture followed by excruciating death, it would be completely fine, so long as the punishment was posted.

What if the punishment was death for sneezing in public. Would it still be okay so long as the punishment was posted? :roll:

LOGICAL FALACIES AHOY!

First off... you say "People feel the punishment is inappropriate..." ... I don't feel it's innappropriate. The people that made it don't feel it's inappropriate. I'm certain the people who get slapped with the fines DO, but they are incredibly biased. Let's just be honest and say that "people" isn't the noun you should have used because it's... well... wrong. BTW... Can I get the source of your data on this argument, showing where you surveyed "people"?

"If the punishment was torture"... well, first off that's not allowed by the US Constitution. I'd think that's what the whole "Cruel and Unusual" thing is. Secondly, you blatently mislead people into thinking that HE'S the one who said that torture would be suitable, but clearly he didn't.

Finally, I can't recall sneezing in public ever being an offense, let alone one you can be cited for, and I highly doubt that it would be punishable by death, seeing as there are people serving multiple life sentences that aren't being put to death. I mean, I can't even see how sneezing would be a more serious offense than public urination or an open container. Your deliberate misinterpretation and looking into the situation as an extremity makes me, personally, think that you just wanted to play the role of the "Down with rules liberal" for the sake of not having anything better to be doing.

Oh, and using the "rolleyes" smiley at the end of an argument that YOU made up just makes you look like a tool, in my opinion.
Suggested Reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy
(Specifically "Straw Man")

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: bobdelt

It's pretty simple... if you can't afford the $576 or $400 fine, don't commit the offense. Don't people know these things are illegal?

Why not make it the death penalty then?

So I guess your life is worth less than $600?

Let's all pitch in.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: mugs
It's pretty simple... if you can't afford the $576 or $400 fine, don't commit the offense. Don't people know these things are illegal?

UGH. Don't you legalists get it, the point is the law is immoral because people feel that the punishment is inappropriate for the crime.

By your argument, if the punishment was torture followed by excruciating death, it would be completely fine, so long as the punishment was posted.

What if the punishment was death for sneezing in public. Would it still be okay so long as the punishment was posted? :roll:

LOGICAL FALACIES AHOY!

First off... you say "People feel the punishment is inappropriate..." ... I don't feel it's innappropriate. The people that made it don't feel it's inappropriate. I'm certain the people who get slapped with the fines DO, but they are incredibly biased. Let's just be honest and say that "people" isn't the noun you should have used because it's... well... wrong. BTW... Can I get the source of your data on this argument, showing where you surveyed "people"?

"If the punishment was torture"... well, first off that's not allowed by the US Constitution. I'd think that's what the whole "Cruel and Unusual" thing is. Secondly, you blatently mislead people into thinking that HE'S the one who said that torture would be suitable, but clearly he didn't.

Finally, I can't recall sneezing in public ever being an offense, let alone one you can be cited for, and I highly doubt that it would be punishable by death, seeing as there are people serving multiple life sentences that aren't being put to death. I mean, I can't even see how sneezing would be a more serious offense than public urination or an open container. Your deliberate misinterpretation and looking into the situation as an extremity makes me, personally, think that you just wanted to play the role of the "Down with rules liberal" for the sake of not having anything better to be doing.

Oh, and using the "rolleyes" smiley at the end of an argument that YOU made up just makes you look like a tool, in my opinion.
Suggested Reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy
(Specifically "Straw Man")

Hyperbole called, he wants to be introduced to you and mugs.

 

[imported_vr6]

576 is not alot for urinating in public if that is what it is after it tripled.

In Baltimore, its $500 on a normal day, if they triple it, i'll be 1500.

don't ask me why i know.

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: vr6
576 is not alot for urinating in public if that is what it is after it tripled.

In Baltimore, its $500 on a normal day, if they triple it, i'll be 1500.

don't ask me why i know.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[getbush]

And I guarantee that when you are standing in a courtroom full of people on arraignment day, no matter what everyone else's charges are, the urinating in public guy is gonna get the most snickers/laughs. I know from experience, but I was doing the laughing at

 

[Dean]

The worst thing you can do on a night like that, is bar hop. You leave one packed bar and next thing you know there is a 30 minute to an hour lineup everywhere else.

After some time the beer works its way through and you gotta go. You tell your other friends to keep an eye out while and your friend Becky both take a piss. You think you found a nice little alley to let loose. ahhh what a feeling, till you feel a warm bright light on your back!!


2 x $38 fine 12 years ago

 

[Fayd]

pffff... if i have to pee, i have to pee damnit!

 

[JustinGoodie]

i think that the funniest part of the whole situation is that damn near all cops think that every single citizen in the country knows every single law in the book... hence the defense... you know it's a crime... don't do it

 

[BlancoNino]

I just got a $976.00 fine for urinating into my beer bottle!

 

[imported_vr6]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I just got a $976.00 fine for urinating into my beer bottle!

lol how?

did they hit you with drinking in public AND urinating in public?