56 Shot, 13 Killed During Father’s Day Weekend in Chicago

[FerrelGeek]

You clearly dont see the difference in freely consuming an item and somebody violating another persons rights.

I wonder how many of the guns used in Chicago are legally obtained. Serious question.

 

[kage69]

Fighting over drug turf. See the solution to a war being fought over a prohibited item(drugs) is to create another one(guns).

That's only part of it. Kids go to war over what someone posted on facebook these days.

I'm pretty sure that regardless of what happens with drugs, we'll always see people of a certain age within cities bond to a culture that glorifies material wealth and violence-backed reputation. The boys want to be feared, the girls want to desired (and vice versa to an extent).

 

[NAC4EV]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/0...d-in-july-4-weekend-shootings-in-chicago.html

The skyrocketing violent crime that’s plaguing the city of Chicago did not let up over the Fourth of July holiday. Fifty people were shot, including three children, and four people were murdered from Friday through Monday.
These shocking figures are actually an improvement from recent Fourth of July, according to Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson.
“I think in 2014 we had about 16 killed throughout the Fourth of July weekend and that’s just ridiculous, so we are making progress, but it’s not a success yet,” Johnson said. “This goes a long way, I think, to letting everybody know that we are focusing on the right individuals.”

 

[zinfamous]

lol, yet another FUD-ridden news piece that hides and colors its numbers with sensationlist language. But this is a new low--they outright lie about a statistical trend in one sentence!

lol:

First they say:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/0...d-in-july-4-weekend-shootings-in-chicago.html

The skyrocketing violent crime that’s plaguing the city of Chicago

Oh no! It's skyrocketing! That means it is going up! The numbers are much worse than before!

er, but

These shocking figures are actually an improvement from recent Fourth of July, according to Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson.

Oh, so, these skyrocketing SHOCKING numbers actually show an improvement. Hmm, weird. So, you know, sinking would be a better word that skyrocketing.

but hey, not just a decline:

“I think in 2014 we had about 16 killed throughout the Fourth of July weekend and that’s just ridiculous, so we are making progress, but it’s not a success yet,” Johnson said. “This goes a long way, I think, to letting everybody know that we are focusing on the right individuals.”

a 4x decline over this data point since last year. SO not only is Skyrocketing an outright lie, it's beyond sensationalist. The only proper word to replace "skyrocketing" here is PLUMMET.

Well shit, that's a rather upsetting downward trend in violence and it sure doesn't cause the necessary shock and fear and sell the guns that we want to sell! Whatever shall we do? ....Oh, just report the numbers but use some scary words and at least half the rubes will believe that things are worse. The quoted sheriff is noted for saying that this is an improvement, but the article clearly doesn't want anyone to think that. I'm sure the NRA and S&W are getting their money's worth by approving this "journalism" prior to publication.

Murder and violence like this is bad, of course. It should never be tolerated....but what is the point of this kind of vile propaganda? This article is only written for the digestion of stupid people. Don't be that kind of stupid people.

 

[K1052]

CPD got ahead of it with raids on gangs in the preceding couple of weeks, seems to have taken the wind out of their sails for the moment.

 

[Ackmed]

lol, yet another FUD-ridden news piece that hides and colors its numbers with sensationlist language. But this is a new low--they outright lie about a statistical trend in one sentence!

lol:

First they say:


Oh no! It's skyrocketing! That means it is going up! The numbers are much worse than before!

er, but


Oh, so, these skyrocketing SHOCKING numbers actually show an improvement. Hmm, weird. So, you know, sinking would be a better word that skyrocketing.

but hey, not just a decline:



a 4x decline over this data point since last year. SO not only is Skyrocketing an outright lie, it's beyond sensationalist. The only proper word to replace "skyrocketing" here is PLUMMET.

Well shit, that's a rather upsetting downward trend in violence and it sure doesn't cause the necessary shock and fear and sell the guns that we want to sell! Whatever shall we do? ....Oh, just report the numbers but use some scary words and at least half the rubes will believe that things are worse. The quoted sheriff is noted for saying that this is an improvement, but the article clearly doesn't want anyone to think that. I'm sure the NRA and S&W are getting their money's worth by approving this "journalism" prior to publication.

Murder and violence like this is bad, of course. It should never be tolerated....but what is the point of this kind of vile propaganda? This article is only written for the digestion of stupid people. Don't be that kind of stupid people.

4x decline in deaths over the weekend, which is very good news. Not 4x decline overall in shootings, as there were 82 shot over the weekend in 2014 and 62 this year. Which is also good news that it is lower. Hopefully they can carry this momentum to other holidays. But they used far more police than in the post, may not be feasible for any length of time. Pretty costly I am sure.

But you accuse someone of "FUD" or false information when you did the same thing. And yes that Fox article was terrible, it's not skyrocketing compared to previous years, over the weekend anyways.

This year is not over, but 2014 had 416 murders and 2015 had 468 murders, a 12.5% increase. Total shootings were at 2,900 in 2015 a 13% increase over 2014. Still doesn't seem like skyrocketing to me, but that is a substantial amount more. So yes violent crime is up, at least in regards to shootings. In that they were right, but not for this particular weekend. This years numbers are pretty high so far as well.

http://time.com/4165576/chicago-murders-shootings-rise-2015/

First link that popped up, didn't compare. But Time seems pretty credible? Even if they have shown bias and idiocy in the past.

 

[zinfamous]

4x decline in deaths over the weekend, which is very good news. Not 4x decline overall in shootings, as there were 82 shot over the weekend in 2014 and 62 this year. Which is also good news that it is lower. Hopefully they can carry this momentum to other holidays. But they used far more police than in the post, may not be feasible for any length of time. Pretty costly I am sure.

But you accuse someone of "FUD" or false information when you did the same thing. And yes that Fox article was terrible, it's not skyrocketing compared to previous years, over the weekend anyways.

This year is not over, but 2014 had 416 murders and 2015 had 468 murders, a 12.5% increase. Total shootings were at 2,900 in 2015 a 13% increase over 2014. Still doesn't seem like skyrocketing to me, but that is a substantial amount more. So yes violent crime is up, at least in regards to shootings. In that they were right, but not for this particular weekend. This years numbers are pretty high so far as well.

http://time.com/4165576/chicago-murders-shootings-rise-2015/

First link that popped up, didn't compare. But Time seems pretty credible? Even if they have shown bias and idiocy in the past.

Fair enough--an uptick over one year--but the real trend is still decidedly down over that period in the nineties where we were all convinced that every human in every city would be murdered before they reached 27 years old (remember those days? lol)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

So Chicago's homicide rate hasn't been this low since the early 70s. ...definitely not skyrocketing.

 

[Svnla]

CPD got ahead of it with raids on gangs in the preceding couple of weeks, seems to have taken the wind out of their sails for the moment.

Summer is not over yet. Stay tuned.

 

[nickqt]

This clearly proves that if every man, woman and child in Chicago had a handgun, that everyone would be safer.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Across all of Chicago. A sum of individual shootings. All this tells me is they need to be even more aggressive on gun control. I'm pretty sure that 3yo shot in the shoulder wasn't supposed to shoot back.

I typically agree with you.. but Chicago needs some gun sanity, not gun control. The people are disarmed and defenseless, which makes them sitting ducks.

Saying Chicago, the city with the toughest gun laws, needs to get tougher just doesn't compute.

It's along the same logic as getting tougher on marijuana use versus just legalizing it. Being tough has already proven to NOT work and cause more problems than it solves.

Chicago's gun laws have already been proven to NOT work and cause more problems than they solve.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Fuck it then, lets legalize murder and rape. That will solve the problem.

That's not logical. Comparing legalization of drugs to murder and rape is just... hard to explain. Do you really think that's a sound comparison? Honestly?

 

[K1052]

Summer is not over yet. Stay tuned.

I qualified my statement.

 

[K1052]

I typically agree with you.. but Chicago needs some gun sanity, not gun control. The people are disarmed and defenseless, which makes them sitting ducks.

Saying Chicago, the city with the toughest gun laws, needs to get tougher just doesn't compute.

It's along the same logic as getting tougher on marijuana use versus just legalizing it. Being tough has already proven to NOT work and cause more problems than it solves.

Chicago's gun laws have already been proven to NOT work and cause more problems than they solve.

The gun laws being tough here is an outdated impression. That said it doesn't have a lot of bearing on the crime situation since people just got across the state line and buy then resell here under the table. The overwhelming majority of the gun violence is perpetrated by gangs locked in an endless cycle of retaliation, however a lot of innocent people in the same area are caught in the crossfire.

 

[Spungo]

I wonder how many of the guns used in Chicago are legally obtained. Serious question.

Probably quite a few of them. Guns are not registered, so there's not much to stop anyone from selling them to criminals. Simply getting people to register guns like they were cars would stop a large percentage of this.

I'm pro gun like I'm pro car. I think everyone should have the ability to buy a car, but I think it's prudent to register them and put plates on them. If a car mows down 20 pedestrians, we should have some way to track down who owns that car and who was driving it.

 

[werepossum]

I typically agree with you.. but Chicago needs some gun sanity, not gun control. The people are disarmed and defenseless, which makes them sitting ducks.

Saying Chicago, the city with the toughest gun laws, needs to get tougher just doesn't compute.

It's along the same logic as getting tougher on marijuana use versus just legalizing it. Being tough has already proven to NOT work and cause more problems than it solves.

Chicago's gun laws have already been proven to NOT work and cause more problems than they solve.

Agreed. If it's anything like Chattanooga (around 200,000 people, ten shootings and two fatalities over the long weekend) none of those guns are legally owned anyway.

The only bright side for us is that the gangs are so busy shooting each other that carjackings and home invasions are way down.

 

[Ackmed]

Chattanooga is a pretty good city, we're going there Sunday to visit a friend who just had a baby. My wife went to UTC for her bachelors and masters. I will be carrying as I always do.

 

[Svnla]

Another day, more shootings and killings. No marching, no protesting, nothing but more deaths in Chi-town.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20160711-story.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20160712-story.html

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[ivwshane]

Another day, more shootings and killings. No marching, no protesting, nothing but more deaths in Chi-town.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20160711-story.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20160712-story.html

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So when can we expect to see you marching and protesting?

 

[Svnla]

So when can we expect to see you marching and protesting?

Right after you because I do have a J.O.B and other more important things to do with my life.

Nothing to dispute my links? Just what I thought. N.O.T.H.I.N.G!!!

Can't dispute the message, attack the messenger. Spin baby spin.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Another day, more shootings and killings. No marching, no protesting, nothing but more deaths in Chi-town.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20160711-story.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20160712-story.html

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There are protests and marches against the violence in Chicago but you just don't want to post about it.

Thousands Of Anti-Violence Protesters Rally In Chicago (UPDATED)

 

[ivwshane]

Right after you because I do have a J.O.B and other more important things to do with my life.

Nothing to dispute my links? Just what I thought. N.O.T.H.I.N.G!!!

Can't dispute the message, attack the messenger. Spin baby spin.

So you expect others to do what you don't do because others don't have a job like you do?

We call people like you hypocrites. However, around here you are known as a race baiter.

 

[ivwshane]

There are protests and marches against the violence in Chicago but you just don't want to post about it.

Thousands Of Anti-Violence Protesters Rally In Chicago (UPDATED)

Thanks. It looks like other people with "jobs" found a way to make time to do the very thing he complained about others not doing even though he himself doesn't do shit.

 

[Svnla]

There are protests and marches against the violence in Chicago but you just don't want to post about it.

Thousands Of Anti-Violence Protesters Rally In Chicago (UPDATED)

My links from Chicago Tribune are recent as of this week. Are those protests that you cited still going on as the ones in Baton Rouge, St. Paul, and elsewhere right now? (your link was in May 2016, two moths ago) That's what I was talking about. I know there were some movements against the killings a while back. Let me see if I can still find it on PBS. Here it is, from 2012/2013 - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/interrupters/

I do read Chicago Tribute and did not see anything as the site you cited.

 

[Svnla]

So you expect others to do what you don't do because others don't have a job like you do?

We call people like you hypocrites. However, around here you are known as a race baiter.

Did I say what you "think" I said? Funny how you put your own words into my mouth, again.

Oh, more name calling and labeling from you. Different day, same ole you. How pathetic. Get some new materials because things are getting stale and stinky.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Are those protests still going on as the ones in Baton Rouge, St. Paul, and elsewhere right now? (your link was in May 2016, two moths ago) That's what I was talking about. I know there were some movements against the killings a while back. Let me see if I can still find it on PBS. Here it is, from 2012/2013 - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/interrupters/

I do read Chicago Tribute and did not see anything as the site you cited.

All you have to do is a google search or watch tv. Every time there's a death from gun violence/etc here in Boston, you almost always see some kind of protest/march/etc on the local tv news. B/c it's not in a major newspaper doesn't mean there isn't a protest going on. And even if there was, you wouldn't post about it.

edit - you forgot to post this from July 8th from the Chicago Tribune - Nick Cannon marches against violence with Pfleger, victims' families