54.4% Margins - Nvidia

[SirPauly]

Marketing, brand recognition, prejudice (drivers). 95% of those GeForce owners don't know or care about the stuff that you and I appreciate. That doesn't necessarily exclude the possibility that the GPUs indeed could be better in some regard. The people just don't have the knowledge/experience to judge that.

Imho,

You're an awesome poster and can see why Blaire respects you! And to continue to build the name-brand and to help gamers that may not know they have created GeForce Experience --drivers- software--tools--features.

 

[ocre]

Since you hate AMD so much why do you even post? Your completely incapable of rational debate.

ATI has made some great GPU's. The 7970 is clearly a better GPU than GK104. Its faster, it clocks higher, it has more memory and it can bitcoin mine.

It still has work to do on its driver team but i imagine that this will be fixed because of the bad publicity of late.

i am really confused as to what your point is? Didnt you already make your value oriented purchase by buying an AMD GPU? Why arent you happy with the deal you got? Instead you make a thread where you call everybody who doesnt do as you do stupid???

Apparently you feel the need to put others down so you can feel better about yourself and your decisions? If your choice really is so much better than why dont you feel better?

There is a GPU out there for you and AMD makes it. But really i think you have a lot of things backwards. Margins arent a bad thing. The truth is, if AMD doesnt bring up their margins they will be going out of business much sooner than you must think. So instead of bashing nvidia for running a successful business you should probably start worrying more about AMD going out of business. Your really going about it all the wrong way. If AMD goes out of business then your only option for a PC graphics card will be from NVidia. oh gosh!!!

Perhaps you should start putting some of this energy into something more constructive.

Do you know that all AMDs financial woes could be turned around if they could only get up their margins? Since this is something you seem to be raging against we have a real problem. I bet it would pain you to see AMD go belly up but are you really gonna set there and do nothing? If i were you there would be no other choice. You need to start a save the AMD foundation where you can bum money send it to AMD. Its the only way they can stay afloat without those terrible margins you hate so much. Put some of your energy into something constructive and useful. Unless you feel your only purpose in life is to put others down for not sharing your exact views, there is so much more positive things you could be doing. Are you really gonna sit back and call people names when AMD is barely alive on life support? The choice is yours.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Yup AMDs current price model is wrong.

AMD fans love it, but sometimes I wonder if they would pay more for an AMD GPU to let AMD survive and thrive? Or would they start hating AMD too just like they do with Nvidia...

 

[SirPauly]

Unfortunately, the market isn't as simple as "the best product sells." It's "the people who are best at selling stuff get to sell." Just look at Betamax vs VHS or iPod versus Sansa Clip.

Don't think the HD 7970 is clearly a better chip than the GTX 680! I think it is a competitor, welcomed choice to consider!

Think the differentiation between the two companies is more-so software, tools, abilities, features, pro-active and this is why there is a strong name-brand and demand for their products.

Could be dead wrong.

 

[SirPauly]

There is a GPU out there for you and AMD makes it.

Indeed! The key with more choices is one can find the right GPU for an individual's subjective needs, tastes, tolerances, thresholds and wallet!

 

[Sleepingforest]

Don't think the HD 7970 is clearly a better chip than the GTX 680! I think it is a competitor, welcomed choice to consider!

I wouldnt' go as far as to say that the 7970 is always better, but 7970s with the GHz BIOS can typically sustain higher framerates than a 680 (and cost the same or less), though the frames are pushed a little less consistently when examined under FCAT.

 

[SirPauly]

However, FX1 did! I place more faith in the marketplace numbers than vocal posters offering clearly better!

 

[Cloudfire777]

Its so silly to compare 7970GHz and GTX 680. 7970GHz draw 50W more than GTX 680. Its obvious that if Nvidia wanted, they could make a better GPU by raisiing the power consumption. But they didn`t.

Why? Who knows but its bloody obvious that GTX 680 sold enough for Nvidia since they didn`t offer any better at that price range. So the whole performance yabber about 7970GHz and 680 means absolutely nothing. What sell does.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Well to be fair they did raise the power consumption, Titan draws the same power as the GHz, it's just that Titan is like 35-45% faster than GHz at the same power >.<

You can only do so much with mid-range cards, even 190w is pushing it for GK104.

 

[Cloudfire777]

At the same price range

That is what the AMD people have as excuse. "Titan is so much more expensive so its an invalid comparison again 7970GHz"

Well guess what, Nvidia could offer that but didn`t. Instead they made Titan, sold it for $1000 and it still sold like crazy. Talk about knowing the market.
That is what matters. That is why AMD is doing horrible and Nvidia making big profit.

 

[Sleepingforest]

Its so silly to compare 7970GHz and GTX 680. 7970GHz draw 50W more than GTX 680. Its obvious that if Nvidia wanted, they could make a better GPU by raisiing the power consumption. But they didn`t.

I'm not saying that AMD is a better company or that Tahiti is a better chip series, but the 7970 does produce better results for your money. It's not that silly to compare things in the same price range, is it?

I suppose you could argue power consumption and so forth making the cost ultimately higher.

 

[f1sherman]

@Cloudfire777

That AMD response is just for external use; internally I bet they understand that all too well.

Perf/W + GPU complexity is where they lost on high-end.
The rest of it pretty much trickled down toward lower segments. And Titan was just a sucker punch - after the round has ended

All this coupled with Green Light and lower Tegra revenue resulted in record high 54% gross margins.

But it's pretty easy to criticize the underdog.
AMD does not have to make many mistake to lose the round, but they have to do everything perfectly in order to win it.

 

[3DVagabond]

You really have NO IDEA what you're talking about, do you?

Why should he be any different than 90% of the posters in this thread.

I love when people who at best might be able to balance a household budget try and argue financials of multibillion dollar corporations.

 

[SirPauly]

Financials offer data! Tough to spin it!

 

[AnandThenMan]

Financials offer data! Tough to spin it!

LOL, nothing in this life can be spun more than financials. Have you ever seen a tax code book? The mission to Mars drafts are less complicated.

 

[SirPauly]

Sure, nVidia and AMD are spinning their financial revenue, profits, margins and share -- spinning their investors because nothing in life is easier to spin!

What you're doing is spinning.

 

[Sleepingforest]

Sure, nVidia and AMD are spinning their financial revenue, profits, margins and share -- spinning their investors because nothing in life is easier to spin!

What you're doing is spinning.

What exactly are you trying to say here? It's not that hard to see that financials are easy to spin; there's a whole regulatory agency devoted to catching it.

 

[Arachnotronic]

HAHA

No.

Shareholders dont make any money. In fact shareholders have nearly ZERO power to do anything. Company executives can do what they like 95% of the time.

Steve Jobs blocked dividend payments to shareholders even though they had 100bln in the bank. It took his death to change that. Despite apple now offering dividends and the share price hitting $700 and apple making record profits Apples shares are now $450. Huge loss for some people.

Want to know why people with serious money buy government bonds? Because they are the only reliable source of income. The only people who buy shares are gamblers and pension funds which are gambling to increase peoples retirement incomes.

Company executives are in it for themselves. They choose their own pay and bonuses. Shareholders are near powerless to stop them due to diluted ownership of shares the pissed off shareholders never have enough power to do anything.

Erm...okay. You enjoy your government bonds, while the rest of us make money

 

[ICDP]

Well to be fair they did raise the power consumption, Titan draws the same power as the GHz, it's just that Titan is like 35-45% faster than GHz at the same power >.<

You can only do so much with mid-range cards, even 190w is pushing it for GK104.

Isn't it amazing how Chinese whispers work. Somehow the Titan increases from ~25%-30% faster than a 7970 GE to 35%-45%. If we give Bella another few weeks it will be twice as fast on average

 

[3DVagabond]

Isn't it amazing how Chinese whispers work. Somehow the Titan increases from ~25%-30% faster than a 7970 GE to 35%-45%. If we give Bella another few weeks it will be twice as fast on average

Titan is like 35-45% faster than GHz at the same power

Tahiti isn't as efficient as Titan. You are talking absolute numbers, while Balla is adding a qualifier.

 

[Keysplayr]

Isn't it amazing how Chinese whispers work. Somehow the Titan increases from ~25%-30% faster than a 7970 GE to 35%-45%. If we give Bella another few weeks it will be twice as fast on average

Yes, that along with noticing the whispers of 7970 within 10% performance of Titan before overclocking. Then when overclocked, MATCHES Titan. Wow. If you're going to comment about one, you should comment on the other side as well.

If some had their way, Titan would only be 20 to 25% faster by the end of this thread. Then start a new one stating it's 17-19% and post some cherry graphs.

 

[Fx1]

At the same price range

That is what the AMD people have as excuse. "Titan is so much more expensive so its an invalid comparison again 7970GHz"

Well guess what, Nvidia could offer that but didn`t. Instead they made Titan, sold it for $1000 and it still sold like crazy. Talk about knowing the market.
That is what matters. That is why AMD is doing horrible and Nvidia making big profit.

Titan has sold like crazy?

It makes up 0.06% of the steam survey. Thats not even 0.1%

Every retailer in the UK has a ton of stock. The 780 GTX is rumoured to launch soon too which people are going to hold off for.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Titan has sold like crazy?

It makes up 0.06% of the steam survey. Thats not even 0.1%

Every retailer in the UK has a ton of stock. The 780 GTX is rumoured to launch soon too which people are going to hold off for.

Its also a new released card. If you want to play the steam survey game. For every 3 HD7970 sold, there is 1 Titan sold. Or 1 Titan sold for every 2 HD7870 or 2 GTX680.

 

[Keysplayr]

Titan has sold like crazy?

It makes up 0.06% of the steam survey. Thats not even 0.1%

Every retailer in the UK has a ton of stock. The 780 GTX is rumoured to launch soon too which people are going to hold off for.

That is VERY impressive considering Titan is a 1000.00 dollar GPU. Beyond that, just look how many people on these boards bought at least one Titan. some bought 3. Doesn't matter if you think those were good buys or not.
For a thousand dollar card, the rate Titan has sold can be described as "Hotcakes".
And never quote Steam Survey as I believe many here are against it (Whether it shows in their favor or not is an element). I don't care one way or the other.

 

[Keysplayr]

Its also a new released card. If you want to play the steam survey game. For every 3 HD7970 sold, there is 1 Titan sold. Or 1 Titan sold for every 2 HD7870 or 2 GTX680.

Yeah, at this point I'll just say he wants to perpetuate as much BS as he can for whatever reason. I'd advise to ignore him from now on unless some meaningful conversation emerges. I won't hold my breath though.