Originally posted by: aidanjm
Hillary, president of the usa, 2008-2016
Obama, president of the usa, 2016-2024
now you're just making stuff up
wtf is with this Obama nonsense?
You could have said the same thing about Dumbya. He certainly had baggage. He just chose not to be embarrassed about it (and why would you, with that sh1t-eating grin of his).
There's nothing to "come out". The Clintons are the most thoroughly investigated President/ First Lady in USA history. I think she handled her husband's infidelity in a quite dignified manner. Would you have preferred that she demanded a divorce?
She is a smart cookie, she has a zillion times more political savvy than John Kerry, plus of course she has Bill as a political advisor, and Bill Clinton is at least as smart as Karl Rove when it comes to political strategizing.
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can you imagine how much thinly vieled sexism/racism we'd hear on the TV if it was Hillary v. Condi? that would drag out the bigots into the light.
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Hillary, president of the usa, 2008-2016
Obama, president of the usa, 2016-2024
now you're just making stuff up
wtf is with this Obama nonsense?
you don't think he has potential?
I predict a golden age of Democratic party governance at the federal level in the USA. Two decades, at least.
Steeplerot
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Hillary, president of the usa, 2008-2016
Obama, president of the usa, 2016-2024
now you're just making stuff up
wtf is with this Obama nonsense?
you don't think he has potential?
I predict a golden age of Democratic party governance at the federal level in the USA. Two decades, at least.
They had their chance and look what chimpz0r did...same crap as the rest of the reps to the economy...
I'd rather vote Green again in federal election then vote for another dynasty though...
cliton was a pretty bad in a lot of ways....they can do better then him....some one young like he was first time around...
I did think the saxaphone thing was cool, didn't vote for him though.
Steeplerot
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who cares if he has tons of stuffy experience having to kiss ass...get someone out there to kick ass...the dims are getting moderatly redundent........
I'm not saying whether or not he'd do a good or bad job. I'm just pointing out that he'd never get elected and it has nothing to do with the color of his skin
Steeplerot
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I said this before but I really think america could use a strong african american influence, espically on the foreign stage right now...not the stuffy lieing type either...like mz sleeza...
We got POed peoples that are being opressed becasue of a very bad invasion or whatever fox is calling it today...
Obama cold talk and not have the reckless cowboy or stuffy war profiteering pricks attitude america has now...
Jesse went out there to tell the peoples it is ok we will try to keep things cool, but the sh1t is hitting the fan...
Jesse is too old now....lefties needs a young forward thinker that can make some crazy miracle out of this mess.
Old dims are sellouts..it's part of the buisness I think latley...
We got POed peoples that are being opressed becasue of a very bad invasion or whatever fox is calling it today...
Obama cold talk and not have the reckless cowboy or stuffy war profiteering pricks attitude america has now...
Jesse went out there to tell the peoples it is ok we will try to keep things cool, but the sh1t is hitting the fan...
Jesse is too old now....lefties needs a young forward thinker that can make some crazy miracle out of this mess.
Old dims are sellouts..it's part of the buisness I think latley...
Very interesting. Republicans have been bashing Hillary for 6 year already. If 52% of Americans will vote for Hillary, there must be more Democrats than I though.
She is ok but i really do not particularly care for her. I'd vote for her since it seems the Republican party has taken a turn for the worst. Bill Frist? No thanks.
She is ok but i really do not particularly care for her. I'd vote for her since it seems the Republican party has taken a turn for the worst. Bill Frist? No thanks.
Oh noes, Bush has sunk into nominating black people so when people oppose them for idealogical reasons, the Republicans can play the race card. On a side note, I loved his pitch to get more minorities on board pre election.
Steeplerot
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I dont' know about obama for prez my first vote would not be for him...I was throwing him out there..I can think of a lot better though.
Here's a view of him...
The Democratic Party?s new liberal star
AMONG LIBERALS, Barack Obama?s sudden emergence as a star of the Democratic Party is cause for jubilation. Obama--an African American Illinois state senator from Chicago?s South Side, with a progressive voting record--was selected as the keynote speaker of the Democratic National Convention in Boston, catapulting him from relative obscurity to the center of a national media frenzy.
Even before he gave his speech, the convention was abuzz with Obama?s name, and a variety of pundits and Democratic Party insiders had anointed him "the future of the party"--even throwing his name around as a probable vice presidential or presidential nominee in years to come. Part of his appeal is that Obama is a sure bet to replace Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-Ill.) in November, moving the Democrats one seat closer to taking away the Repulicans? razor-thin majority.
Obama?s leap to the Senate, where he?ll become only the third Black senator since Reconstruction, was facilitated by the disastrous campaigns of his leading opponents in both the Democratic primary and the general election. Ironically, both collapsed after stories about their messy divorces grew into full-fledged scandals. With three months to go before the general election, the Republicans still haven?t found a replacement to run against Obama.
For those hoping for an alternative to Bush?s war on the world, Obama?s rise has raised many hopes. In 2002, Obama spoke at an antiwar rally in Chicago, and as the convention neared, he reiterated his view that the U.S. war on Iraq was a defining campaign issue.
Nevertheless, his performance before and at the convention confirmed that even the party?s new liberal star would fail to oppose the U.S. occupation of Iraq in any meaningful way. Like Kerry, he only quibbled over the hows.
The day before his speech, Obama told reporters, "On Iraq, on paper, there?s not as much difference, I think, between the Bush administration and a Kerry administration as there would have been a year ago." He added, "There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush?s position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who?s in a position to execute."
The speech itself took Bush to task for lying about the reasons for war and for invading and occupying "without enough troops to win the war, secure the peace, and earn the respect of the world." In other words, Obama, the great liberal hope, thinks that Bush should have sent more troops--and that the Democrats are more capable of seeing the war on Iraq through to victory.
Obama is a gifted politician. Like Bill Clinton, he knows how to encourage people of opposite political beliefs to see what they want to see in his speeches and policy prescriptions. Thus, even Rich Lowry, a right-wing booster of the Bush gang, praised Obama?s speech for its "hawkish attitude," its "rallying cry of unity" and its "authentic, unashamed" embrace of "an awesome God."
This method carries through on other issues. Obama finds a way to talk left--but makes it clear that he will never pose a threat to corporate interests or make a policy proposal that would carry a hefty price tag. In Illinois, where it?s obvious that the death penalty system is too flawed to fix, Obama is celebrated by liberals as a crusader for death penalty reform--but he continues to support capital punishment for "punishing the most heinous crimes."
Obama calls for tax breaks for American workers and government measures to create jobs. But he?s a supporter of Corporate America?s "free trade" agenda, and his convention speech praised Kerry because "instead of offering tax breaks to companies shipping jobs overseas, he?ll offer them to companies creating jobs here at home."
Obama claims to be a defender of the public school system who will campaign to put more teachers in classrooms. But he also trumpets charter schools--with their record of union-busting and siphoning funds from public schools.
In his convention speech, Obama didn?t make the case for Democrats fighting for new government programs for poor and working people--or even defending existing ones. Instead, he echoed conservative themes attacking big government--but with a seductive liberal wrapper.
"[People] don?t expect government to solve all their problems," Obama said. "They know they have to work hard to get ahead, and they want to. Go into the [suburban] collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don?t want their tax money wasted by a welfare agency or the Pentagon. Go into any inner-city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can?t teach kids to learn."
No wonder Democratic Party officials are thrilled about Obama. With his liberal credentials and ability to appeal to a range of audiences, he can sell the kind of victim-blaming rhetoric and conservative policy proposals that establishment Democrats can?t.
Here's a view of him...
The Democratic Party?s new liberal star
AMONG LIBERALS, Barack Obama?s sudden emergence as a star of the Democratic Party is cause for jubilation. Obama--an African American Illinois state senator from Chicago?s South Side, with a progressive voting record--was selected as the keynote speaker of the Democratic National Convention in Boston, catapulting him from relative obscurity to the center of a national media frenzy.
Even before he gave his speech, the convention was abuzz with Obama?s name, and a variety of pundits and Democratic Party insiders had anointed him "the future of the party"--even throwing his name around as a probable vice presidential or presidential nominee in years to come. Part of his appeal is that Obama is a sure bet to replace Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-Ill.) in November, moving the Democrats one seat closer to taking away the Repulicans? razor-thin majority.
Obama?s leap to the Senate, where he?ll become only the third Black senator since Reconstruction, was facilitated by the disastrous campaigns of his leading opponents in both the Democratic primary and the general election. Ironically, both collapsed after stories about their messy divorces grew into full-fledged scandals. With three months to go before the general election, the Republicans still haven?t found a replacement to run against Obama.
For those hoping for an alternative to Bush?s war on the world, Obama?s rise has raised many hopes. In 2002, Obama spoke at an antiwar rally in Chicago, and as the convention neared, he reiterated his view that the U.S. war on Iraq was a defining campaign issue.
Nevertheless, his performance before and at the convention confirmed that even the party?s new liberal star would fail to oppose the U.S. occupation of Iraq in any meaningful way. Like Kerry, he only quibbled over the hows.
The day before his speech, Obama told reporters, "On Iraq, on paper, there?s not as much difference, I think, between the Bush administration and a Kerry administration as there would have been a year ago." He added, "There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush?s position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who?s in a position to execute."
The speech itself took Bush to task for lying about the reasons for war and for invading and occupying "without enough troops to win the war, secure the peace, and earn the respect of the world." In other words, Obama, the great liberal hope, thinks that Bush should have sent more troops--and that the Democrats are more capable of seeing the war on Iraq through to victory.
Obama is a gifted politician. Like Bill Clinton, he knows how to encourage people of opposite political beliefs to see what they want to see in his speeches and policy prescriptions. Thus, even Rich Lowry, a right-wing booster of the Bush gang, praised Obama?s speech for its "hawkish attitude," its "rallying cry of unity" and its "authentic, unashamed" embrace of "an awesome God."
This method carries through on other issues. Obama finds a way to talk left--but makes it clear that he will never pose a threat to corporate interests or make a policy proposal that would carry a hefty price tag. In Illinois, where it?s obvious that the death penalty system is too flawed to fix, Obama is celebrated by liberals as a crusader for death penalty reform--but he continues to support capital punishment for "punishing the most heinous crimes."
Obama calls for tax breaks for American workers and government measures to create jobs. But he?s a supporter of Corporate America?s "free trade" agenda, and his convention speech praised Kerry because "instead of offering tax breaks to companies shipping jobs overseas, he?ll offer them to companies creating jobs here at home."
Obama claims to be a defender of the public school system who will campaign to put more teachers in classrooms. But he also trumpets charter schools--with their record of union-busting and siphoning funds from public schools.
In his convention speech, Obama didn?t make the case for Democrats fighting for new government programs for poor and working people--or even defending existing ones. Instead, he echoed conservative themes attacking big government--but with a seductive liberal wrapper.
"[People] don?t expect government to solve all their problems," Obama said. "They know they have to work hard to get ahead, and they want to. Go into the [suburban] collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don?t want their tax money wasted by a welfare agency or the Pentagon. Go into any inner-city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can?t teach kids to learn."
No wonder Democratic Party officials are thrilled about Obama. With his liberal credentials and ability to appeal to a range of audiences, he can sell the kind of victim-blaming rhetoric and conservative policy proposals that establishment Democrats can?t.
Hayabusa Rider
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She runs, the Dems lose again.
It isn't the popular vote that matters. You would have a repeat of 04 where the blue states line up behind her and everyone else against.
Results?
Hillary loses to Jeb.
It isn't the popular vote that matters. You would have a repeat of 04 where the blue states line up behind her and everyone else against.
Results?
Hillary loses to Jeb.
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I would sooner vote for an untrained, poop-throwing monkey than vote for someone with her kind of agenda.
umbrella39
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umbrella39
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I apologize, you only voted for Bush in '00. You voted Badnarik in '04
So we got it, you would rather vote for poop throwing monkey than vote for a democrat. That is honest. No worries there.
Yep, I would consider her as VP candidate. Then she could run in 2012 and be first woman President.
I would pledge to only take the reins for 1 term, just long enough to start a recovery from the Republican wrath on the Country and mend fences with Countries around the world we have pissed off, whih is a lot.
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