51,000 dead of coronavirus

[Jaskalas]

Used to be the mass murderers had to tell people it was kool aid. These days you just tell fools the poison is good for them.... No need to hide anything.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm not watching 57 minutes of conspiracy theory by some guy on youtube. You need to do better than that.

The Epoch Times? Really? They do conspiracy theory on the regular-

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[Batmeat]

Who told you?

Fellow MD I met while I was attending dental school. Our first year of training was spent studying with the MD students in classes that our programs overlapped. I ended up withdrawing from dental school after two years of training, but kept in touch with him. He works in New York.

 

[interchange]

Here’s what it should have said...

Although I can’t confirm it, that number is highly elevated from the actual numbers, or so I was told.

Here’s the thing, I don’t have to provide proof for what I said. Nor can I prove fraud just as easily as you can’t prove there is no fraud.
I highly doubt there’s any report of every county hospital in the entire United States that has been audited to look for fraud.

Someone can't prove there's no fraud so therefore there is lots of fraud?

 

[Jhhnn]

People are saying...

So Trumpian.

 

[JEDIYoda]

You only quoted me partially. That’s not what I said. You literally took my quote out of context. Why?

Quoting the rest of what you said doesn`t make you more credible...
"Although I can’t confirm it, That number is highly elevated from the actual numbers...I’ve been told. "

That was your quote in full! It comes across as if you are laying a pile of manure using the phrase -- I`ve been told. -- As your out! Then you go and post a ridiculous link that doesn`t support what you claim it does! Had you read the full article to the end!!
What are we to think?
You lay your foundation so that you can claim that what everyone believes that you said is wrong! When in the other thread you did the exact same thing.....
How is tht credibility thing working for you?

 

[UberNeuman]

The cure is on the way!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Here’s what it should have said...

Although I can’t confirm it, that number is highly elevated from the actual numbers, or so I was told.

Here’s the thing, I don’t have to provide proof for what I said. Nor can I prove fraud just as easily as you can’t prove there is no fraud.
I highly doubt there’s any report of every county hospital in the entire United States that has been audited to look for fraud.

UUmm actually you do.....according to the new P&N rules.......you were the first to bring the subject up! You were called on it and asked to support what you said.
You tried but failed miserably to support your position.....care to try again?

 

[ivwshane]

Here’s what it should have said...

Although I can’t confirm it, that number is highly elevated from the actual numbers, or so I was told.

Here’s the thing, I don’t have to provide proof for what I said. Nor can I prove fraud just as easily as you can’t prove there is no fraud.
I highly doubt there’s any report of every county hospital in the entire United States that has been audited to look for fraud.

Ah, the good ‘ol it feels true so it must be true. Aka truthiness.

You can’t argue against that logic and that’s probably the point.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Someone can't prove there's no fraud so therefore there is lots of fraud?

You pegged it, in very concise terms!!

 

[alien42]

Here’s what it should have said...

Although I can’t confirm it, that number is highly elevated from the actual numbers, or so I was told.

pathetic, you are still stating a bullshit conspiracy theory as fact, hence the word "is". just because you bookend it with suppositions doesn't change anything.

although i can't confirm it, Santa Clause is real, or so i was told.

do you see how stupid that is?

 

[UberNeuman]

Stop taking the bait.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Fellow MD I met while I was attending dental school. Our first year of training was spent studying with the MD students in classes that our programs overlapped. I ended up withdrawing from dental school after two years of training, but kept in touch with him. He works in New York.

So this MD pal thinks other MDs are fudging positive test results? They paying off the labs? How does this hypothetical fraud work logistically?

Do they think this is happening at major hospitals in NYC where a scheme like that would have a lot of people involved?

Wonder why NY had to dig temporary mass graves.

 

[Batmeat]

So this MD pal thinks other MDs are fudging positive test results? They paying off the labs? How does this hypothetical fraud work logistically?

Do they think this is happening at major hospitals in NYC where a scheme like that would have a lot of people involved?

Wonder why NY had to dig temporary mass graves.

Didn’t ask to be honest.
Wasn’t aware of the new P&N rules. I rarely post in the politics section. Now that I know I’ll make sure I comply after I go through the new rules.

 

[SmCaudata]

So this MD pal thinks other MDs are fudging positive test results? They paying off the labs? How does this hypothetical fraud work logistically?

Do they think this is happening at mayor hospitals in NYC where a scheme like that would have a lot of people involved?

I think the claim is that saying "suspected..." gets more money.

I'm in health care. There is definitely some additional funding for COVID patients now. Hospitals get paid when a patient is stable to leave but will not get accepted to step down facility due to infection status. Typically when a patient is waiting for placement the insurance company stops paying. It's actually better for the hospital if they were COVID negative and they could discharge the patient.

Hospitals are doing massive furloughs and reconstructing units to prepare. The conspiracy that this is all overblown is ludicrous. The health care centers are actually suffering due to COVID. If anything, they'd rather it was "just like the flu."

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[zzyzxroad]

Didn’t ask to be honest.
Wasn’t aware of the new P&N rules. I rarely post in the politics section. Now that I know I’ll make sure I comply.

Not a rule at all just chatting with you.

If someone says something that sounds ludicrous,I tend to prod them for info. Guess I'm weird.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Not a rule at all just chatting with you.

If someone says something that sounds ludicrous,I tend to prod them for info. Guess I'm weird.

actually if you read that long thread about the new rules you will see somewhere in that thread that if a person makes false claims and is asked to back it up with links that prove his claim and can`t that basically he is suppose to stop making those claims....it is there...
But on a side note -- you cannot have a reasonable dialog if the person you are talking with cannot back up what he is espousing as fact....even though he is trying to dodge responsibility by throwing in the phrase -- or so I`ve heard! lolol

 

[brycejones]

You mean the CCP? Why no anger towards the CCP that was likely creating a bioweapon that got loose?

Source it.

 

[zzyzxroad]

I think the claim is that saying "suspected..." gets more money.

I'm in health care. There is definitely some additional funding for COVID patients now. Hospitals get paid when a patient is stable to leave but will not get accepted to step down facility due to infection status. Typically when a patient is waiting for placement the insurance company stops paying. It's actually better for the hospital if they were COVID negative and they could discharge the patient.

Hospitals are doing massive furloughs and reconstructing units to prepare. The conspiracy that this is all overblown is ludicrous. The health care centers are actually suffering due to COVID. If anything, they'd rather it was "just like the flu."

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Thanks. Since the the topic was about deaths I assume the inflated numbers being reference were specific to hospitals inflating deaths from covid. Whith what you are saying that seems even less likely.

This MD friend might be a conspiracy nutter.

 

[brycejones]

JediYoda...
If you want to stalk me on the boards...fine, that’s your choice. All I said was I was told it was lower and presented a possibility. I never said any of it was fact. You take it upon yourself to be my personal parole officer or something with your immediate snide remark about credibility? You really think everyone that works in a hospital is honest?

Don’t get butt hurt. No one here is going to accept your ass as a source or as having any judgement. Someone told you something without providing context is one of the lamest things ever posted here and that is saying something.

 

[brycejones]

Are you fucking serious? Stop watching conspiracies on you-tube. It’s broken your brain.

 

[Batmeat]

actually if you read that long thread about the new rules you will see somewhere in that thread that if a person makes false claims and is asked to back it up with links that prove his claim and can`t that basically he is suppose to stop making those claims....it is there...
But on a side note -- you cannot have a reasonable dialog if the person you are talking with cannot back up what he is espousing as fact....even though he is trying to dodge responsibility by throwing in the phrase -- or so I`ve heard! lolol

another snide remark directed at me. You’re right that I can’t back up what I said. But I’m right in saying that it’s plausible for fraud... even if it turns out the death rate is much higher or lower if more money is involved somehow.

 

[DaaQ]

Wow, I come on and get flamed because I say I heard the death toll is lower than 51,000. I get flamed again for posting that I think it’s plausible for fraud when it comes to reimbursement.
I can’t prove fraud just like it can’t be proven (or at least hasn’t so far to my knowledge) there hasn’t been fraud.

Here’s what it should have said...

Although I can’t confirm it, that number is highly elevated from the actual numbers, or so I was told.

Here’s the thing, I don’t have to provide proof for what I said. Nor can I prove fraud just as easily as you can’t prove there is no fraud.
I highly doubt there’s any report of every county hospital in the entire United States that has been audited to look for fraud.

This is circular reasoning.

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another snide remark directed at me. You’re right that I can’t back up what I said. But I’m right in saying that it’s plausible for fraud... even if it turns out the death rate is much higher or lower if more money is involved somehow.

 

[feralkid]

Here’s the thing, I don’t have to provide proof for what I said.

If you want to be taken seriously, yes, you do.

 

[zzyzxroad]

another snide remark directed at me. You’re right that I can’t back up what I said. But I’m right in saying that it’s plausible for fraud... even if it turns out the death rate is much higher or lower if more money is involved somehow.

Just to clarify, you think it is plausible that NY hospitals are highly elevating Covid death counts?