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JediYoda...
If you want to stalk me on the boards...fine, that’s your choice. All I said was I was told it was lower and presented a possibility. I never said any of it was fact. You take it upon yourself to be my personal parole officer or something with your immediate snide remark about credibility? You really think everyone that works in a hospital is honest?

He's not stalking you, he's a regular here who posts frequently and you're constantly posting non sense that he calls out. I'll bet if you stop posting non sense, he won't be saying much to you.

I mean, your credibility is on thin ice, is it not? If you don't want to be honest, that's fine, but you can't be dishonest and then complain about being called out.



Fellow MD I met while I was attending dental school. Our first year of training was spent studying with the MD students in classes that our programs overlapped. I ended up withdrawing from dental school after two years of training, but kept in touch with him. He works in New York.

Wait what? A fellow physician? In the other thread you told us you had "degrees in psychology and physician assisting."

Which is it?
 
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cytg111

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Wtf .. 38K new cases yesterday ... I thought you about had that shit under control...

Oh... I see NY is getting it under control. Its .. ehm.. the rest of the pack.
 
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Are you fucking serious? Stop watching conspiracies on you-tube. It’s broken your brain.
Did you watch it? Seriously. They bring up some very good points as to why the virus is very likely synthetic in nature. They don't say it's made due to a bioweapons program but it is a possibility. You don't find it odd that there is a virus laboratory known for working on sars like viruses and is in Wuhan the center of the outbreak? Also there are reports that the wet market only sold seafood and no bats. They believe patient zero was a scientist at the laboratory. Tell me again why this is conspiracies.
 

brycejones

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Did you watch it? Seriously. They bring up some very good points as to why the virus is very likely synthetic in nature. They don't say it's made due to a bioweapons program but it is a possibility. You don't find it odd that there is a virus laboratory known for working on sars like viruses and is in Wuhan the center of the outbreak? Also there are reports that the wet market only sold seafood and no bats. They believe patient zero was a scientist at the laboratory. Tell me again why this is conspiracies.
Seriously I won’t watch it because it’s a “source” that is garbage. They tell stories that suck people like you in and make money.
 

abj13

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Did you watch it? Seriously. They bring up some very good points as to why the virus is very likely synthetic in nature. They don't say it's made due to a bioweapons program but it is a possibility. You don't find it odd that there is a virus laboratory known for working on sars like viruses and is in Wuhan the center of the outbreak? Also there are reports that the wet market only sold seafood and no bats. They believe patient zero was a scientist at the laboratory. Tell me again why this is conspiracies.

I've seen parts of that "video." They quote studies that have since been retracted including the one claiming there's a connection to HIV. Curiously, the video producers don't quote or even mention one of the most important papers that has examined the origins of SARS-CoV-2 written by some of the top evolutionary virologists. Why do they not quote that paper? Its quite simple, let me quote the final line of the introduction:

"Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus."

I'm sorry. You've been duped. I suggest you delete that video since propagating crappy, poorly researched conspiracy videos should not be spread like that.
 
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Seriously I won’t watch it because it’s a “source” that is garbage. They tell stories that suck people like you in and make money.
I'm not buying what the mainstream media is saying about the origin of the virus. Lots of money being made by some big American corporations in China. They are big sponsors of the mainstream media. I'm sure no one is rocking the boat because too much is invested in China. Call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever you'd like. But to me it's awfully fucking suspicious that there is the biggest virology lab in all of China that was knowingly working on sars like viruses in Wuhan. Believe whatever you'd like though.
 

brycejones

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I'm not buying what the mainstream media is saying about the origin of the virus. Lots of money being made by some big American corporations in China. They are big sponsors of the mainstream media. I'm sure no one is rocking the boat because too much is invested in China. Call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever you'd like. But to me it's awfully fucking suspicious that there is the biggest virology lab in all of China that was knowingly working on sars like viruses in Wuhan. Believe whatever you'd like though.

You started this commentary by mentioning bioweapons and then quickly backed off as "its a possible". You've gone full conspiritard. Look into the "source" you are getting your information from. You sound like the dumbass that was at one of the protests against the lock downs who said they were there to "fight the big corporates".
 

amrnuke

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I'm not buying what the mainstream media is saying about the origin of the virus. Lots of money being made by some big American corporations in China. They are big sponsors of the mainstream media. I'm sure no one is rocking the boat because too much is invested in China. Call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever you'd like. But to me it's awfully fucking suspicious that there is the biggest virology lab in all of China that was knowingly working on sars like viruses in Wuhan. Believe whatever you'd like though.
We have huge virology labs working on HIV, SARS, influenza, MERS, ebola, and inummerable other viruses here in the US. And in Russia, Europe, etc.

China and HK were the main ones hit by SARS and so they work on coronavirus that causes it. Same with all countries that get outbreaks.

So what I'd like to see is the link that takes you from the fact that all heavy research nations investigate viruses, to "China did it."
 
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We have huge virology labs working on HIV, SARS, influenza, MERS, ebola, and inummerable other viruses here in the US. And in Russia, Europe, etc.

China and HK were the main ones hit by SARS and so they work on coronavirus that causes it. Same with all countries that get outbreaks.

So what I'd like to see is the link that takes you from the fact that all heavy research nations investigate viruses, to "China did it."

Does the UK have any credibility to you? How about the nobel winning scientist Luc Montagnier that says it is a synthetic virus?
 

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Some countries that totally fumbled the response out of their own poor judgement and stupidity are going to embrace fringy theories to distract from their own enormous mistakes as the bodies of their citizens pile up. There may be certain scientists willing to lend some credence or ambiguity to this argument but they should be met with intense skepticism.

Yes China covered up the outbreak. No the virus wasn't created in the lab as a bioweapon (what a terrible bioweapon it would be anyway). This in no way absolves certain governments from their own massive and inexcusable mistakes in confronting this crisis.
 
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Does the UK have any credibility to you? How about the nobel winning scientist Luc Montagnier that says it is a synthetic virus?

Why is Luc Montaginer quoting a retracted research study? Why is he supporting a link between autism and vaccines? This is the same guy who thinks DNA emits electromagnet waves and believes in homeopathy. Do you believe in homeopathy?

Why are you so willing to believe him, when he's published zero evidence of his claims, over a group of virologists who performed very detailed sequence and structural analysis of the SARS-CoV-2 genome, and found that "SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus ?"

Your posts summarize exactly what is wrong with your thought process. Instead of looking at the data in total, you came to a conclusion and now are resorting to using a guy who believes in homeopathy over peer-reviewed, genuine research to support your idiotic conclusion.
 

brycejones

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How about the nobel winning scientist Luc Montagnier that says it is a synthetic virus?

I would say there is little support for that position in the science community so far. I would expect over the next several months there to be a number of peer reviewed papers on that very question. But I did provide a link that explains some of the concerns with his claims.
 

HomerJS

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Not trying to spread for sure, just not sure I believe the report or that every hospital administration is honest.
Where do you think the more accurate numbers would come from

Healthcare workers/hospitals
The White House

You also forgot to factor in, even the reported numbers are below the actual numberws becasuse of inadequate testing.
Oddly enough Trump is putting very little effort into testing (based on the time spent at pressers). Why? I think one of the reasons he know if we don't test numbers won't go up as much.

I trust doctors and nurses over Donald Trump every single time.
 

UNCjigga

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I think I’m finally done with the delusion that stupid people can have their stupidity pointed out to them and actually wise up. Stupid is as stupid does.

The official death count is actually lower than the actual number, or so I’m told. For one, they don’t always include nursing home deaths depending on the state/county.

Oh look, here’s a fucking source—that wasn’t so heard to find note was it?


 
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Some countries that totally fumbled the response out of their own poor judgement and stupidity are going to embrace fringy theories to distract from their own enormous mistakes as the bodies of their citizens pile up. There may be certain scientists willing to lend some credence or ambiguity to this argument but they should be met with intense skepticism.

Yes China covered up the outbreak. No the virus wasn't created in the lab as a bioweapon (what a terrible bioweapon it would be anyway). This in no way absolves certain governments from their own massive and inexcusable mistakes in confronting this crisis.
Who is covering up for anyone? I said earlier in the thread that Trump was late to the game and should really not be reelected because of it.

I would say there is little support for that position in the science community so far. I would expect over the next several months there to be a number of peer reviewed papers on that very question. But I did provide a link that explains some of the concerns with his claims.
And neither of you address the UK govt saying its a real possibility that it was leaked from the Wuhan lab. I'm the cherry picker though... Call me a little skeptical of the info we are getting from mainstream media. Especially when so many big players are heavily invested in China manufacturing their crap for pennies on the dollar.
 

HomerJS

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Wow, I come on and get flamed because I say I heard the death toll is lower than 51,000. I get flamed again for posting that I think it’s plausible for fraud when it comes to reimbursement.
I can’t prove fraud just like it can’t be proven (or at least hasn’t so far to my knowledge) there hasn’t been fraud.
You got pushback for dropping claims with out any evidence. Kinda like

Obama tapped my phone
Obama was born in Kenya.

We get enough Trumpers doing that very thing. Go ahead make a claim but be prepared to back it up with credible evidence or some logical rationale.

Links from websites on the level of Alex Jones don't count.
 

HomerJS

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Here’s what it should have said...

Although I can’t confirm it, that number is highly elevated from the actual numbers, or so I was told.

Here’s the thing, I don’t have to provide proof for what I said. Nor can I prove fraud just as easily as you can’t prove there is no fraud.
I highly doubt there’s any report of every county hospital in the entire United States that has been audited to look for fraud.
You are doing the voter fraud claim...

"I know there is widespread in person voter fraud"
"Where is your evidence?"
"I don't have any"
 

Jhhnn

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Some countries that totally fumbled the response out of their own poor judgement and stupidity are going to embrace fringy theories to distract from their own enormous mistakes as the bodies of their citizens pile up. There may be certain scientists willing to lend some credence or ambiguity to this argument but they should be met with intense skepticism.

Yes China covered up the outbreak. No the virus wasn't created in the lab as a bioweapon (what a terrible bioweapon it would be anyway). This in no way absolves certain governments from their own massive and inexcusable mistakes in confronting this crisis.

Correct. We're witnessing a campaign of obfuscation & blame shifting held up by conspiracy theory. What matters is how we deal with it. Under Trump's leadership, we've done so very poorly. His daily briefings are just a substitute for campaign rallies, his support for denialist protesters is insane & his defunding of WHO in the midst of it all is a crime against humanity.
 
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Didn't you vote for him?
My wife did. I didn't vote. I was not happy about it finding out later once I saw some stuff on him being a climate change denier. I have come around on him. I'm back on the fence about him though.
 

abj13

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And neither of you address the UK govt saying its a real possibility that it was leaked from the Wuhan lab. I'm the cherry picker though... Call me a little skeptical of the info we are getting from mainstream media. Especially when so many big players are heavily invested in China manufacturing their crap for pennies on the dollar.

Did you watch your video? The central assertion is that the virus is a synthetic virus, as you have already promoted.

"They bring up some very good points as to why the virus is very likely synthetic in nature."

You said it, not me. I've provided detailed responses as to why the virus is not synthetic, and that's what my responses are about. Whether the virus was accidentally released by the virology lab, is entirely a different question, and not one I have discussed. Its pretty clear you are now trying to run away from the idea of the virus being synthetic since your entire response now is completely dodging it and trying to change the topic to something I didn't reply to.
 

cytg111

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Who is covering up for anyone? I said earlier in the thread that Trump was late to the game and should really not be reelected because of it.

And neither of you address the UK govt saying its a real possibility that it was leaked from the Wuhan lab. I'm the cherry picker though... Call me a little skeptical of the info we are getting from mainstream media. Especially when so many big players are heavily invested in China manufacturing their crap for pennies on the dollar.

Thats a fucking healthy attitude. Seriously. A few comments though.

1. Be sure to me even MORE skeptical of non mainstream media ok? Non mainstream media is under a hell of a lot less scrutiny and journalistic standards than ie. Fox and further right than that (and left of left for that matter).
2. Be sure your skepticism is not born out of Trumps war on mainstream media. Be 100% sure its not born out of that.

You need to be skeptical of all things media. Of course.
 

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@Batmeat what amount of elevation in death count would you consider "highly elevated"?

Assuming your premise is right that hospitals are committing fraud, what is the maximum percentage of non-COVID deaths being spun as COVID deaths would you think was plausibly occurring?