but now that saddam is not around to prove his argument which the us demanded that he did, isnt it now up to the US to prove that they were right now that they have full access to all the places their "proof" said wmd's were?
Don't change the subject but I'll answer. The Vietnamese weren't required by a binding resolution to prove anything. As far as Saddam goes, he didn't overtly do anything to any other country. Why? Because of no-fly zones and sanctions. What was he supposed to be doing? Destroying WMD and cooperating with weapons inspectors. Was he doing that? No, he wasn't.
In December 1998, Butler (Richard Butler, UNSCOM Director) pulled his inspectors out of Iraq. Less than 24 hours later, the United States, along with Great Britain, launched Operation Desert Fox.
He had advance notice, but Clinton just informed him of the military plans. Presidents have absolutely zero total control over the U.N.
From here.
where is that proof? if the proof the US had before the war of wmd's being there was so concrete solid why has nothing come forth?
You tell me. How am I supposed to know that. There's two choices. 1. They haven't found it yet or, 2. There isn't any.
I always think it is funny how politicians claim they help the economy or how the other guys hurt the economy.
or the people that belive them.
When in reallity Greenspan , Opec , and global economies have a hell of a lot more to do with it. And the economy reacts about as quick as a glacier so we won't feel GWB impact for a couple more years.
"Prove ( with sufficient verifiable evidence) that we knew BEFORE the war.
1) Saddam had been plotting terrorists acts.
or
2) Had WMD's "
He orchestrated the attempted assasination of King Bushie the 1st, we also arrested iraqi "diplomats" at the start of the war for planning over a dozen terrorist attacks on US interests. All the money he funneled to families of suicide bombers went through one of the most infamous terrorists ever, who was eventually captrued in Baghdad. Besides the Al-Queda camp we found with WMD recipes and dispersion manuals, we found others just south of Baghdad that were attended by many organizations throughout the arab world.
Blix told the council "there remain long lists of items unaccounted for" in the nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs Iraq claimed to have dismantled more than a decade ago.
"But it is not justified to jump to the conclusion that something exists just because it is unaccounted for," he said.
Bolstering claims Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, the former head of South Africa's chemical and biological warfare program said he believed Saddam was hoodwinked by criminals who delivered containers full of sand instead of chemicals and failed to deliver purchased equipment.
...."We picked up orders and requests he was sending out all over the world for raw materials, but the sanctions were so tight on him that he was really hoodwinked by a lot of criminals," Wouter Basson told the Pretoria Press Club.
"Ingredients, chemicals, constituents and electronics that he ordered and paid for never cropped up.
"There were containers full of sand offloaded, and I think ultimately they just gave up and realised under their circumstances it is not going to work for them."
maybe they should have mentioned this a few months ago instead of opposing action, sounds like Saddam had no intentions of continuing the procurement of WMD after sanctions were imposed.....
1) Saddam had been plotting terrorists acts.
or
2) Had WMD's "
He orchestrated the attempted assasination of King Bushie the 1st, we also arrested iraqi "diplomats" at the start of the war for planning over a dozen terrorist attacks on US interests. All the money he funneled to families of suicide bombers went through one of the most infamous terrorists ever, who was eventually captrued in Baghdad. Besides the Al-Queda camp we found with WMD recipes and dispersion manuals, we found others just south of Baghdad that were attended by many organizations throughout the arab world.
Blix told the council "there remain long lists of items unaccounted for" in the nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs Iraq claimed to have dismantled more than a decade ago.
"But it is not justified to jump to the conclusion that something exists just because it is unaccounted for," he said.
Bolstering claims Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, the former head of South Africa's chemical and biological warfare program said he believed Saddam was hoodwinked by criminals who delivered containers full of sand instead of chemicals and failed to deliver purchased equipment.
...."We picked up orders and requests he was sending out all over the world for raw materials, but the sanctions were so tight on him that he was really hoodwinked by a lot of criminals," Wouter Basson told the Pretoria Press Club.
"Ingredients, chemicals, constituents and electronics that he ordered and paid for never cropped up.
"There were containers full of sand offloaded, and I think ultimately they just gave up and realised under their circumstances it is not going to work for them."
maybe they should have mentioned this a few months ago instead of opposing action, sounds like Saddam had no intentions of continuing the procurement of WMD after sanctions were imposed.....
I don't know where to begin. First is that WMD are more then little vials. We are talking about warheads capable of carrying chemicals, chemical labs, nuke labs etc... You are clearly making it sound it was over a couple little vials. How can you contain the movement of something that never exisited? Saddam didn't have anything.
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How about making it realistic. You hide enough barrels to hold 500 tons of chemical weapons - not to mention the 16,000 missiles that would be necessary to deliver those chemicals. You can have the entire state of California to hide them in. But you have to give me all of the spy planes and satellites that the military has so I can look for all of the trucks that it would take to move those barrels to wherever you're going to hide them. Plus I'll need a few thousan people to help me look - the military doesn't have only one person looking, right? I think it's about 1400. And of course I'll want a Humvee, because those are just so darn sweet. I think my conditions are slightly more realistic.
You want my opinion? This war wasn't about making us safer, it was about making us FEEL safer. I didn't really feal like I was in a whole lot of danger before the war though... I guess I'm just not as paranoid as most people. Does anyone seriously think an attack similar to Sept 11 will ever happen again? After people have seen what terrorists are capable of, you think an airliner with 100+ people on it will be taken over by 5 guys with butter-knives and boxcutters?
In other news, some guy has dyed the water in two fountains in Philadelphia - one pink, one blue. Pretty funny looking.
The missing weapons are a considerable embarrassment ant potential impeachment threat to Bush, so much so, I think, that I'm beginning to think it will in fact be necessary to plant something to cover his ass. The national and international repercussions from a preemptive fraud war are too terrible to imagine. Some situations require that you cheat your way out. It's better for everybody. What good will the truth be?
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