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Nitemare
Lifer
Just because I don't think the sun rises and sets on Israel, doesn't mean I'm a Palestinian extremist.
I find it funny that etech can't stand their views, gets banned, and still can't stay away from their board. You are basically classifying all Palestinians as suicide bombers or jew haters because of the actions of a few organizations.
So all Germans are nazi skinheads too, I take it
as all Arabs and people looking like them are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers, including some of our neighbors and co-workers
Just like all jews are greedy materialistic people that own all the media, politicians and are blackmailing the United States...Get real
Their has been alot of asumptions and stereotyping going on as well as alot of generalized Arab hate. Hate the terrorists, their movement, their cause, not every single citizen that calls that region their home. To set the record straight, I disprove of Israels occupying and their treatment of Palestine as I disprove of Palestines use of suicide bombings, attacks on innocents, and their celebrating the killing of innocents by a suicide bomber by giving him a hero's funeral. Their are sick farks on both sides peoples. It's just noone cares about the Palestinians like noone cared about the jews until Germany killed about 75 thousand of them or so..
I find it funny that etech can't stand their views, gets banned, and still can't stay away from their board. You are basically classifying all Palestinians as suicide bombers or jew haters because of the actions of a few organizations.
So all Germans are nazi skinheads too, I take it
as all Arabs and people looking like them are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers, including some of our neighbors and co-workers
Just like all jews are greedy materialistic people that own all the media, politicians and are blackmailing the United States...Get real
Their has been alot of asumptions and stereotyping going on as well as alot of generalized Arab hate. Hate the terrorists, their movement, their cause, not every single citizen that calls that region their home. To set the record straight, I disprove of Israels occupying and their treatment of Palestine as I disprove of Palestines use of suicide bombings, attacks on innocents, and their celebrating the killing of innocents by a suicide bomber by giving him a hero's funeral. Their are sick farks on both sides peoples. It's just noone cares about the Palestinians like noone cared about the jews until Germany killed about 75 thousand of them or so..
Two posts were enlightning.
Super Natual's first action as the Presdident of the U.S. would be to get rid of all the Jews in the world.
Another's first action would be to committ suicide because he would be so ashamed to be President of this country.
I didn't think that after all of their protestations of having nothing to hide that they would feel it was necessary to delete their own posts.
Another fun thread to read, it has 31 replies at this time.
How Americans are blackmailed by Israel
Super Natual's first action as the Presdident of the U.S. would be to get rid of all the Jews in the world.
Another's first action would be to committ suicide because he would be so ashamed to be President of this country.
I didn't think that after all of their protestations of having nothing to hide that they would feel it was necessary to delete their own posts.
Another fun thread to read, it has 31 replies at this time.
How Americans are blackmailed by Israel
<< nice to know that people think that the world turns around the US I could just as well congratulate you for supporting Israeli genocide, a stupid argument but just as stupid as yours. >>
Get a dictionary and look up GENOCIDE czar. What does it say? Are you saying that Israel is in the process of killing ALL Arabs?
You win the stupid prize. 🙁
omg, that board is scary. those people wouldn't know critical thought if it were smashed into their faces.
and czar with his moral equivalency arguements. the palestinians actions reak more of genocide then the IDF's by far. their main objective is to kill as many civilians as possible. something you conveniently ignore.
and who's racist? the palestinians couldn't be anymore racist.
and czar with his moral equivalency arguements. the palestinians actions reak more of genocide then the IDF's by far. their main objective is to kill as many civilians as possible. something you conveniently ignore.
and who's racist? the palestinians couldn't be anymore racist.
XZeroII
Lifer
Funny how the palestinians have been killing Isrealis for years and years, but now that Isreal is finally starting to fight back, they are the bad guys. How would you like it if your brother or sister were beating you up for years and not getting in trouble, then the one time you swing back you get in trouble from your parents? That's what's going on now.
Nefrodite,
I suggest you read the egyptansoccer forum, quite informative people there
http://forums.egyptiansoccer.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3cb5739305c9ffff;act=ST;f=20;t=241;st=0
A thread I started.
A question I ask you, can you see yourself as a Palestinian? if so what would you be feeling and thinking?
I suggest you read the egyptansoccer forum, quite informative people there
http://forums.egyptiansoccer.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3cb5739305c9ffff;act=ST;f=20;t=241;st=0
A thread I started.
A question I ask you, can you see yourself as a Palestinian? if so what would you be feeling and thinking?
FrancesBeansRevenge
Platinum Member
<< Another fun thread to read, it has 31 replies at this time.
How Americans are blackmailed by Israel >>
ROFL!
Some of them actually believe that you are a paid operative of the US goverment and your job is to spread disinformation, biased to the Jews of course, on the internet.
This mindset is very revealing and now I can see why the middle east is so apt to believe in huge conspiracies usually of course with the US and Israel behind it.
The whole freaking region needs Flupenthixol treatment for a severe case of Paranoid Delusion Disorder.
Is it possible to attach mass dosages of medication to warheads?
FrancesBeansRevenge
Platinum Member
<< Nefrodite,
I suggest you read the egyptansoccer forum, quite informative people there
http://forums.egyptiansoccer.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3cb5739305c9ffff;act=ST;f=20;t=241;st=0
A thread I started.
A question I ask you, can you see yourself as a Palestinian? if so what would you be feeling and thinking? >>
Czar this IS the forum etech linked to.
The same forum where etech is thought to be a paid operative of the US goverment (see my above post).
Yes, czar, 'quite informative people there'.
Nitemare
Lifer
<<
<< Another fun thread to read, it has 31 replies at this time.
How Americans are blackmailed by Israel >>
ROFL!
Some of them actually believe that you are a paid operative of the US goverment and your job is to spread disinformation, biased to the Jews of course, on the internet.
This mindset is very revealing and now I can see why the middle east is so apt to believe in huge conspiracies usually of course with the US and Israel behind it.
The whole freaking region needs Flupenthixol treatment for a severe case of Paranoid Delusion Disorder.
Is it possible to attach mass dosages of medication to warheads? >>
Some of them have weird beliefs and we have jerboy...
your point is?
FrancesBeansRevenge
Platinum Member
<<
<<
<< Another fun thread to read, it has 31 replies at this time.
How Americans are blackmailed by Israel >>
ROFL!
Some of them actually believe that you are a paid operative of the US goverment and your job is to spread disinformation, biased to the Jews of course, on the internet.
This mindset is very revealing and now I can see why the middle east is so apt to believe in huge conspiracies usually of course with the US and Israel behind it.
The whole freaking region needs Flupenthixol treatment for a severe case of Paranoid Delusion Disorder.
Is it possible to attach mass dosages of medication to warheads? >>
Some of them have weird beliefs and we have jerboy...
your point is? >>
Whose jerboy?
My point, while vague and based on a gross generalisation,
is that multiple people there are saying the above about etech....
and none of thier members have expressed any disagreement with the 'accusation'....
reveal things about that board just as threads/posts/members here reveal things about this board (ie very Pro-US. duh.).
FrancesBeansRevenge
Platinum Member
<< FrancesBeansRevenge,
have you read what the people are posting there? posts other than those etech linked? >>
Why would I do that? Thier opinion to me is as valuable as Ariel Sharon's opinion to them.
FrancesBeansRevenge,
If I took out "selected" posts here that shock me and posted them on the other board this forum would come out as you say the come out. A little perspective doesnt hurt you
Nefrodite,
<< yes quite informative indeed. people that fit the stereotype of the totally irrational hate filled fundamentalist arab militant terrorist spewing venom and fear. >>
And you fit the other side of the spectrum it seems, same line of thinking just on the other side.
If I took out "selected" posts here that shock me and posted them on the other board this forum would come out as you say the come out. A little perspective doesnt hurt you
Nefrodite,
<< yes quite informative indeed. people that fit the stereotype of the totally irrational hate filled fundamentalist arab militant terrorist spewing venom and fear. >>
And you fit the other side of the spectrum it seems, same line of thinking just on the other side.
oh really? you mean the stereotype rational logical infidel? i'm sorry i don't use personal attacks enough😛
i'm sorry i don't beleive in conspiracys that jews have all our phones hacked and control our government.
czar is certainly at home on that board. he's like their little toadie. how cute.🙂
i'm sorry i don't beleive in conspiracys that jews have all our phones hacked and control our government.
czar is certainly at home on that board. he's like their little toadie. how cute.🙂
Murphyrulez
Golden Member
<< oh really? you mean the stereotype rational logical infidel? i'm sorry i don't use personal attacks enough😛
i'm sorry i don't beleive in conspiracys that jews have all our phones hacked and control our government.
czar is certainly at home on that board. he's like their little toadie. how cute.🙂 >>
I was going to say the same thing. He is going to get a big head what with all the praise and adulation heaped upon him by his Arabic buddies. Why didn't we think of that sooner? If we just promised to be his friend, maybe he would be spewing his rhetoric on our side!
FrancesBeansRevenge
Platinum Member
<< FrancesBeansRevenge,
If I took out "selected" posts here that shock me and posted them on the other board this forum would come out as you say the come out. A little perspective doesnt hurt you
>>
You seem bent on trying to convince people that 'they are just like us/you'. No need to convince me. Of course they are.
They hold thier own biases just like I hold mine. I do not deny my bias. I readily admit and accept it.
However some like to mask thier bias behind 'wanting peace'.
The Palestinians only want peace because they can't win.
If he could, do you not think Arafat would order his 'forces' to invade and occupy Israel RIGHT NOW?
Would the Arab states be screaming for peace if this were happening?
I am an American. Israel is an ally of my country and shares many of the same ideals and beliefs.
I personally know many Jewish people including an Israeli-American who has already left for Israel to resume his post in the army.
Like I said, I admit my bias.
What is happening is very sad. Innocents on both sides are being slaughtered.
That said, Godspeed Israel.
Nitemare
Lifer
From 2 threads off their first page...
basem:
"We do not support suicide bombings."
"Killing civilians (both Israelis and Palestinians) is wrong."
"The Palestinians had gone through the peace route for the past 10 years and acknowleged the state of Israel over 78% of palestine. now they find that they are not allowed to live even on the remaining 22%. During Rabin's rule there was hope but now Sharon is telling them you either surrender or die. he is reufsing to even discuss the cause of the problem: The ILLEGAL MILITARY OCCUPATION of the west bank and Gaza strip in violation of UN reoslution 242 and 338 as well as international laws."
"Quote (nitemare @ April 10 2002,13:55)
Someone asked on Anandtech what was the difference between what Israel is doing now and what America did to Afghanistan. I did not know an answer
right away, but now I do.EndQuote
There is another major difference nitmare:
America did not attack Afghanistan pre 9/11 and did not illegally occupy Afghanistan for more than 30 years in defiance of all International laws and UN resolutions. American has nto been tryign to ethnically cleanse Afghanistan from Afghanis and replace them with jews from Russia. The big picture must not be lost:
9/11 is an unprovoked terrorist attack on America
What is happending in the occupied territories is an ILLEGAL MILLITARY OCCUPATION that has been in effect for more than 30 years in defiance of all the world community, international laws and UN resolutions 242 & 338. This illegal military occupation has been upgraded to ethnic cleansing the last 10 days with systematic destruction of buildings all over the west bank and klling as many civilians as possible so the rest have to flee their homes same way that palestinains were forced to flee their homes in 1948 in Yafa and Akka."
the_pharoan:
"we dont support suicide bombings."
Zo2Zo2:
"None of us on this board believes on Sucide Bombing & Israeli State Terrorism...we condemn both"
Zamalekalltheway:
"I condem Palestinain attacks that kill civilians"
Rami:
"Nitemare,
I agree with your points.
The differences with the American operations in Afghanistan and the Israeli actions are MANY. I'll point to them ALL when I get more time, but to give you a simplistic answer, the US is not in Afghanistan to steal their land or occupy large parts of that Country to build settlements on it. The Al-Qaeda also has little resemlance of other groups. Were they striking NY because it's an occuppied territory? Give me a break!
Al-Qaeda is a terror group pure and simple and the US does not deserve to be attacked.
Having said that, I do agree that the Palestinian groups should restrict their operations to soldiers and settlers that are illegally on their land. They just see their civilians being killed and act in revenge. You see, when hundreds of civilians die from Israeli action, intentional and unintentional, this comes from the occupation.
So when people are killed in their own homes and towns, these groups want to inflict the same harm to Israelis where they are. It's a vicious cycle that may not end anytime soon, unfortunately.
To Arabs, the bottom line is that the occupation must end first. The Israelis say they won't end the occupation until there is no resistance of any kind. And so this game continues endlessly. To me, Israel must end the occupation and return the land they occupy. It's like China coming and occupying the US and say they will return only part of the land but ONLY if the US does not try to resist."
They all look like crazed Muslim extremists to me too...Their view might differ from your own, but that doesn't mean they are all terrorists or terrorist sympathsizers.
basem:
"We do not support suicide bombings."
"Killing civilians (both Israelis and Palestinians) is wrong."
"The Palestinians had gone through the peace route for the past 10 years and acknowleged the state of Israel over 78% of palestine. now they find that they are not allowed to live even on the remaining 22%. During Rabin's rule there was hope but now Sharon is telling them you either surrender or die. he is reufsing to even discuss the cause of the problem: The ILLEGAL MILITARY OCCUPATION of the west bank and Gaza strip in violation of UN reoslution 242 and 338 as well as international laws."
"Quote (nitemare @ April 10 2002,13:55)
Someone asked on Anandtech what was the difference between what Israel is doing now and what America did to Afghanistan. I did not know an answer
right away, but now I do.EndQuote
There is another major difference nitmare:
America did not attack Afghanistan pre 9/11 and did not illegally occupy Afghanistan for more than 30 years in defiance of all International laws and UN resolutions. American has nto been tryign to ethnically cleanse Afghanistan from Afghanis and replace them with jews from Russia. The big picture must not be lost:
9/11 is an unprovoked terrorist attack on America
What is happending in the occupied territories is an ILLEGAL MILLITARY OCCUPATION that has been in effect for more than 30 years in defiance of all the world community, international laws and UN resolutions 242 & 338. This illegal military occupation has been upgraded to ethnic cleansing the last 10 days with systematic destruction of buildings all over the west bank and klling as many civilians as possible so the rest have to flee their homes same way that palestinains were forced to flee their homes in 1948 in Yafa and Akka."
the_pharoan:
"we dont support suicide bombings."
Zo2Zo2:
"None of us on this board believes on Sucide Bombing & Israeli State Terrorism...we condemn both"
Zamalekalltheway:
"I condem Palestinain attacks that kill civilians"
Rami:
"Nitemare,
I agree with your points.
The differences with the American operations in Afghanistan and the Israeli actions are MANY. I'll point to them ALL when I get more time, but to give you a simplistic answer, the US is not in Afghanistan to steal their land or occupy large parts of that Country to build settlements on it. The Al-Qaeda also has little resemlance of other groups. Were they striking NY because it's an occuppied territory? Give me a break!
Al-Qaeda is a terror group pure and simple and the US does not deserve to be attacked.
Having said that, I do agree that the Palestinian groups should restrict their operations to soldiers and settlers that are illegally on their land. They just see their civilians being killed and act in revenge. You see, when hundreds of civilians die from Israeli action, intentional and unintentional, this comes from the occupation.
So when people are killed in their own homes and towns, these groups want to inflict the same harm to Israelis where they are. It's a vicious cycle that may not end anytime soon, unfortunately.
To Arabs, the bottom line is that the occupation must end first. The Israelis say they won't end the occupation until there is no resistance of any kind. And so this game continues endlessly. To me, Israel must end the occupation and return the land they occupy. It's like China coming and occupying the US and say they will return only part of the land but ONLY if the US does not try to resist."
They all look like crazed Muslim extremists to me too...Their view might differ from your own, but that doesn't mean they are all terrorists or terrorist sympathsizers.
czar:
congrats. civility counts more than facts in this mindless affair. i agree wth you, more than i may know
and/or admit. i'm not want to advocate a blind peacenik response to the unending suicide bombings but sharon's
tactics only serve to excacerbate the problem.
he's played into arafat's hands, not by arafat's own devsing (he's not that smart or forward thinking) but by the very nature of this cycle of madness.
sharon's measures will fail in every calculable way; they'll be more suicide attacks following eventual withdrawal, greater humann and political distance
between the two camps, third party mediation has been more hazardous, and he's sown greater contempt in isreali voters almost ensuring another term
for himself and a continuance of same ol' same ol'.
congrats. civility counts more than facts in this mindless affair. i agree wth you, more than i may know
and/or admit. i'm not want to advocate a blind peacenik response to the unending suicide bombings but sharon's
tactics only serve to excacerbate the problem.
he's played into arafat's hands, not by arafat's own devsing (he's not that smart or forward thinking) but by the very nature of this cycle of madness.
sharon's measures will fail in every calculable way; they'll be more suicide attacks following eventual withdrawal, greater humann and political distance
between the two camps, third party mediation has been more hazardous, and he's sown greater contempt in isreali voters almost ensuring another term
for himself and a continuance of same ol' same ol'.
ThePresence
Elite Member
<<
I find it funny that etech can't stand their views, gets banned, and still can't stay away from their board. You are basically classifying all Palestinians as suicide bombers or jew haters because of the actions of a few organizations.
Their has been alot of asumptions and stereotyping going on as well as alot of generalized Arab hate. Hate the terrorists, their movement, their cause, not every single citizen that calls that region their home. To set the record straight, I disprove of Israels occupying and their treatment of Palestine as I disprove of Palestines use of suicide bombings, attacks on innocents, and their celebrating the killing of innocents by a suicide bomber by giving him a hero's funeral. Their are sick farks on both sides peoples. It's just noone cares about the Palestinians like noone cared about the jews until Germany killed about 75 thousand of them or so.. >>
A lot of people are saying this. That it's only a few terrorists out of an entire people, so you can't classify them all as terrorists. I agree. I do, however, think that a hell of alot of them can be classified as wannabe terrorists. These are the dipsh!ts that strap fake bombs on their waists, give their 3 year old kids fake rifles to wave around (and real) during demonstrations.
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