50 Years of Failed Climate Change Predictions

[Paratus]

Reduce poverty... for the rest of the world? How are we supposed to help others when we cannot even help ourselves?

Our economic situation is in decline in so many ways.

Use our soft power and diplomacy to help stabilize other poorer countries. Support efforts at poverty reduction. Help mitigate climate change, wars and other social upheavals as best we can without getting into foreign adventures. It won’t be easy.

Yes this would mean fixing our own structural inequities in wealth distribution. I mean GDP wise the country has been doing fine so the wealth is there. It just might have to touch a few more hands before it ends up in some billionaires hedge fund.

 

[Paratus]

I can't imagine an actual geologist claiming to not be a scientist. It's absurd.

Has Taj ever posted something that wasn’t patently absurd? (Except for loling about not using AC in Texas. That I agree with)

 

[Jhhnn]

Reduce poverty... for the rest of the world? How are we supposed to help others when we cannot even help ourselves?

Our economic situation is in decline in so many ways.

Yeh, but the Rich are richer than ever. Vote GOP for more of the same, harder & deeper every chance they get. It's that shining city on a hill, surrounded by favelas as far as the eye can see.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I think we need to look at the worst case scenarios.

If climate change science is wrong & we implement suggested policy, the worst thing that will happen is that we'll prepare our descendants to better cope in a world where fossil fuel resources are much scarcer & more difficult to extract. Higher efficiency in their use will also stretch out the time line. I don't think many people will go broke from it in the meanwhile.

OTOH if climate science is right & we fail to move effectively to counter that then we leave the world in a much worse place than we found it. By "we" I mean the whole of humanity. We may have already done so.

Climate uncertainty monster: What's the worst case? - Climate Etc.

by Judith Curry On possibilities, known neglecteds, and the vicious positive feedback loop between scientific assessment and policy making that has created a climate Frankenstein. I have prepared a new talk that I presented yesterday at Rand Corp. My contact … Continue reading →

judithcurry.com

I have no problem admitting facts when evidence is presented. What was presented was technically correct and like I said I knew that would keep you happy in your little bubble.

I also knew you’d pussy out on addressing anything else. As usual, if the argument (usually incorrect) hasn’t been thought up by some else, (a blog post at Judith Curry’s site for example) you’ve got nothing to say.

Although I’m glad you said you were a geologist living in Texas because that means your willful ignorance is likely monetarily based, (got all your retirement in oil and gas? ). With your hatred for NASA and all things global I was starting to think you were a flat earther on top of being a climate denier.

I've just found most of NASA personnel to be low grade and typical government parasites. Thanks for upholding that tradition.

 

[Paratus]

Climate uncertainty monster: What's the worst case? - Climate Etc.

by Judith Curry On possibilities, known neglecteds, and the vicious positive feedback loop between scientific assessment and policy making that has created a climate Frankenstein. I have prepared a new talk that I presented yesterday at Rand Corp. My contact … Continue reading →

judithcurry.com

I've just found most of NASA personnel to be low grade and typical government parasites. Thanks for upholding that tradition.

Remember when you guys were talking about how important the “pause” was? Whatever happened to that?

That was a good “prediction”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/judith...how-the-ipcc-forgot-to-mention-the-pause/amp/

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Who cares?

So long as I get clean air, cheap energy, functional mass transit, lightbulds that last a decade and new jobs, who cares if eco-nuts need to lie cheat and steal?

 

[brandonbull]

Yes, humans are stupid.

Why do you want to make it so plainly obvious...and embarrassingly so?

Mass extinctions, due to serious climate change, have occurred over and over and over again on this planet, simply due to the output of single dominant species on this planet. These are inarguable facts.

ANd you think it's "debateable" that humans are doing anything.

...what the fuck happened to the idea that education was a good thing? Seriously: what happened to you? Who convinced you that it was actually "cool" to be as blatantly stupid as you are? Does it impress the chicks that you hang out with? I'm honestly curious how your peer group gets along, and breeds among themselves. It's both fascinating and really quite terrifying for the future of our species, because you are basically the end of it. You understand that, right? It's no other way. You're refusal to accept the world that is bitchslapping you in the face, and give a dick about it, is the early end of humanity.

Awesome posting as usual. Surprised you didn't call me a racist or white supremacist since you were feeling pretty liberal with the adjectives. I'm guessing when you meet with your eco-anxiety support group, it's a hoot. Do you have signup sheets on who gets to bring the impossible burgers, estrogen and the latest set of climate change numbers?

 

[brandonbull]

Who cares?

So long as I get clean air, cheap energy, functional mass transit, lightbulds that last a decade and new jobs, who cares if eco-nuts need to lie cheat and steal?

The lying and cheating eco-nuts aren't doing it because they are nice people, but are looking to extort and hoard wealth while leaving the poor suckers with a load of crap.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Awesome posting as usual. Surprised you didn't call me a racist or white supremacist since you were feeling pretty liberal with the adjectives. I'm guessing when you meet with your eco-anxiety support group, it's a hoot. Do you have signup sheets on who gets to bring the impossible burgers, estrogen and the latest set of climate change numbers?

You live in a world made of straw. Weird.

 

[cytg111]

Another set of self ownage in this thread is the headline... 50 years of climate change.
I am not super nerdy, but can anyone shed some light on our computational potential 2019 vs 1969? Any improvements? Utilities for measurement? Models? Still the same? Damn.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I can't imagine an actual geologist claiming to not be a scientist. It's absurd.

I'm guessing because there's a healthy does of bullshit/lies involved. Or perhaps its just more of the broken logic of his brain showing how astoundingly ridiculous it can be.

I have no problem admitting facts when evidence is presented. What was presented was technically correct and like I said I knew that would keep you happy in your little bubble.

I also knew you’d pussy out on addressing anything else. As usual, if the argument (usually incorrect) hasn’t been thought up by some else, (a blog post at Judith Curry’s site for example) you’ve got nothing to say.

Although I’m glad you said you were a geologist living in Texas because that means your willful ignorance is likely monetarily based, (got all your retirement in oil and gas? ). With your hatred for NASA and all things global I was starting to think you were a flat earther on top of being a climate denier.

Ah, so he was the geologist that South Park claimed didn't believe in climate change and therefore even "Science!" didn't believe in it. It is amusing to see him claim this (as an appeal to authority fallacy). Even if there's any aspect of truth to his geology credential claims (which I'm certainly not going to trust blindly as he's an untrustworthy person to begin with), he'd just be one of the token ones that fossil fuel companies tried to trot out multiple times to try and pretend there isn't a scientific consensus about climate change. Of course because their claims kept getting refuted, often quite quickly by scientists that knew climate science much better (and seemingly knew the field of supposed expertise of the former as well or better than them on top of it), it just helped highlight how drastically wrong the climate deniers claims have consistently been.

There is something extra funny with his behavior on this, and how he's using land sinking as his entire argument for how climate change is actually a hoax. And also how supposedly science itself is completely broken. Its like he's ignoring how scientists have actually been raising this issue plenty and saying that the two combined is extra alarming (but in his mind they're dismissing climate change entirely because the land is sinking, where he thinks scientist would go "oh, so there's no need to worry about rising ocean levels on top of sinking land" which is something that apparently actually makes logical sense to his brain). And how doing stupid things like building cities right next to water on land that's sinking (like say in New Orleans, or Venice) is really stupid and is making what is already a bad situation potentially catastrophic.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

There is something extra funny with his behavior on this, and how he's using land sinking as his entire argument for how climate change is actually a hoax. And also how supposedly science itself is completely broken. Its like he's ignoring how scientists have actually been raising this issue plenty and saying that the two combined is extra alarming (but in his mind they're dismissing climate change entirely because the land is sinking, where he thinks scientist would go "oh, so there's no need to worry about rising ocean levels on top of sinking land" which is something that apparently actually makes logical sense to his brain). And how doing stupid things like building cities right next to water on land that's sinking (like say in New Orleans, or Venice) is really stupid and is making what is already a bad situation potentially catastrophic.

Never mind the fact that the 'sinking land' thing was, i'm assuming, based on the report I linked above, which was isolated to a very specific section of FL which had been basically terraformed recently. It was complete bunk, and assuming he is actually a retired Geologist, he should have known better. Unless he was just shit at his job, which is also a possibility.

 

[glenn1]

OP should have focused instead about just how incredibly bad climate change believers are at politics. 50 years of constant alarmism and the best they've done so far is probably the Kyoto Accords which even Canada withdrew from. That's their high water mark after 50 years of best efforts at "OMG the world is ending" and it doesn't even get your shoes wet.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

OP should have focused instead about just how incredibly bad climate change believers are at politics. 50 years of constant alarmism and the best they've done so far is probably the Kyoto Accords which even Canada withdrew from. That's their high water mark after 50 years of best efforts at "OMG the world is ending" and it doesn't even get your shoes wet.

So when we are finally experiencing the full fallout of ecological collapse, are you going to blame the climate change 'believers' for not being convincing enough? Will it still be their fault, rather than the willful ignorance and apathy of people like you?

 

[glenn1]

So when we are finally experiencing the full fallout of ecological collapse, are you going to blame the climate change 'believers' for not being convincing enough? Will it still be their fault, rather than the willful ignorance and apathy of people like you?

LOL, you're reduced to doing the "you'll be sorry!" speech? What are you, Dr. Claw saying "I'll get you next time Inspector Gadget, next time!"

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

LOL, you're reduced to doing the "you'll be sorry!" speech? What are you, Dr. Claw saying "I'll get you next time Inspector Gadget, next time!"

The fuck are you talking about? I'm asking a serious question, your claim is that climatologists aren't 'selling' the climate crisis well enough for someone like you to do anything about it, my (serious) question was, if you remain unconvinced and the shit hits the fan, are you then going to blame climatologists for not convincing you? Or are you going to blame yourself for not listening?

 

[fskimospy]

Remember when you guys were talking about how important the “pause” was? Whatever happened to that?

That was a good “prediction”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/judith...how-the-ipcc-forgot-to-mention-the-pause/amp/

Oh man I forgot about The Pause. That was all climate change deniers could talk about for years and they were so sure it showed global warming wasn't real. Amazing how they just stopped talking about it.

 

[glenn1]

The fuck are you talking about? I'm asking a serious question, your claim is that climatologists aren't 'selling' the climate crisis well enough for someone like you to do anything about it, my (serious) question was, if you remain unconvinced and the shit hits the fan, are you then going to blame climatologists for not convincing you? Or are you going to blame yourself for not listening?

LOL, i'd enjoy the extra 50 years of profits on my oil complex stocks and use the money to console myself with the millions lost and drowned in NYC.

 

[Victorian Gray]

OP should have focused instead about just how incredibly bad climate change believers are at politics. 50 years of constant alarmism and the best they've done so far is probably the Kyoto Accords which even Canada withdrew from. That's their high water mark after 50 years of best efforts at "OMG the world is ending" and it doesn't even get your shoes wet.

Done by a Conservative govt. run by a P.M. from Alberta (oil country for those who don't know). Wonder what was up with that, eh?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

LOL, i'd enjoy the extra 50 years of profits on my oil complex stocks and use the money to console myself with the millions lost and drowned in NYC.

Not that anyone doubted it, but quoting for posterity. You're a miserable waste of oxygen.

 

[glenn1]

Not that anyone doubted it, but quoting for posterity. You're a miserable waste of oxygen.

I hope you’ve learned how to swim for when your city is underwater.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I hope you’ve learned how to swim for when your city is underwater.

I'm 1700' above sea level, and less than a mile from a valley formed from a glacier, I'm alright. Unlike you, I have concern for those other than myself.

 

[fskimospy]

I hope you’ve learned how to swim for when your city is underwater.

It's weird how you keep saying this. Is your expectation that cities will do nothing to mitigate flooding potential and that even if they do flood people will stand there and then start swimming?

It really is a pretty interesting thing that you seem so completely incapable of understanding how actual human beings work.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

It's weird how you keep saying this. Is your expectation that cities will do nothing to mitigate flooding potential and that even if they do flood people will stand there and then start swimming?

It really is a pretty interesting thing that you seem so completely incapable of understanding how actual human beings work.

What do you think cities will be able to do? Dig trenches big enough to hold the water? Sandbags all around the city?

 

[fskimospy]

What do you think cities will be able to do? Dig trenches big enough to hold the water? Sandbags all around the city?

I mean it's not like this problem is something humanity has never encountered before.

Flood control in the Netherlands - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org