50% of Republican Voters live in an alternate reality

[ManSnake]

That's such a biased opinion piece. It wasn't just the Republicans! Here is the party break down of the results for the question:

Republicans who participated:
Definitely true - 14
Probably true - 38
Probably not true - 33
Definitely not true - 7
Don't know - 8

Democrats who participlated:
Definitely true - 3
Probably true - 14
Probably not true - 37
Definitely not true - 42
Don't know - 4

Independents who participated:
Definitely true - 5
Probably true - 22
Probably not true - 37
Definitely not true - 28
Don't know - 8

 

[Lemon law]

Well the thread title suggests that the republican unreality factor is a full 50%. But as a dimocrat, I suggest its more like 25% in the actual republican electorate.

The damn problem is that the GOP leadership represents the 25% of GOP voters who are bat shit delusional, leaving them out of step with the rational 75% electorate of the GOP. The other problem is that the bulk of rational GOP politicians don't have the courage to kick out the 25% zanies and idiots who hijacked the GOP to the curb and take back their GOP.

While there is something to be said about lock step GOP unity, its sadly become lockstep GOP stupidity.

 

[Carmen813]

Honestly, I should have done more research into this before making the post. I was utterly dumbfounded by what I was reading.

I remain horrified/appalled/confused that anyone believes this to be even slightly true, let alone 52% of Republicans, 17% of Democrats, and 27% of independents believing it to be probably or definitely true. Okay, obviously this won't generalize to that large amount of the population (god I hope not) but how the hell could ANYONE answer in the affirmative? It's deranged.

Cubby, I personally don't see the wording of the question changing the point of the article. It's fairly straight forward: a significant portion of people who took this survey believe President Obama sympathizes with, and supports, Islamic fundamentalists and their efforts to impose Sharia law around the world. That is just delusional in the extreme. As for the length of the survey, if people didn't want to complete it they could have just hung up...I suppose it's possible some people were just punching buttons but there are statistical ways of controlling for that.

Also, I'm a progressive now? That's news for me. The amount of times incorrect labels get thrown around this forum almost rivals the amount of bigotry and stupidity.

InfoHawk,
Your red herrings and straw mans grow tiresome. Please, just try harder.

 

[kinev]

Hmmmmmm....to whom did Obama give his first interview as President?

 

[nyker96]

Only 50%?

I was thinking the same thing, I thought like 80+% of Republican is believing Obama is a radical Muslim by now since he came out and supported the Mosque in NY. But I think they are getting to that 80% slowly but surely. "Must stop the Muslim terrorist Obama ..."

 

[sao123]

We should recognize that we have a significant portion of the population who are terribly incompetent as citizens, holding wrong, harmful, irrational emotional views.

those would be the liberals and democrats...

 

[PokerGuy]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upsho...ama-is-sympathetic-to-islamic-fundamentalists I honestly don't understand how people can be this ignorant.

You of all people should have great expertise when it comes to ignorance, it takes one to know one.

 

[Carmen813]

You of all people should have great expertise when it comes to ignorance, it takes one to know one.

I think I'm honored that you think I'm ignorant. I certainly wouldn't want to be one of the people you consider intelligent.

 

[Carmen813]

Hmmmmmm....to whom did Obama give his first interview as President?

Al-Arabiya TV....which, according to the Wiki article:

Al Arabiya was created to be a direct competitor of the Qatar-based Al Jazeera.[2] According to a 2008 New York Times profile of Al Arabiya director Abdul Rahman al-Rashed, the station was founded "to cure Arab television of its penchant for radical politics and violence," with Al Jazeera as its main target.[3] Mr. Rashed said that Arab television's coverage of militant groups was overly friendly. "You have to remember, it was television that made bin Laden into a celebrity," Rashed said. "That made Al Qaeda, and its recruiting, and this is how violence spread throughout the region." Rashed said Al Arabiya works to describe incidents of Islamist violence with neutral, non-supportive language. He also said the station had pushed Al Jazeera to be more critical of the insurgency in Iraq. "Now Jazeera is a very soft, reasonable station when it comes to the Iraqis," he said. Al Arabiya has, in turn, drawn accusations of pro-American or pro-Saudi bias, in part due to MBC's Saudi ownership.[3]

The station has been targeted be terrorists who are trying to stop it's message.

Clearly providing an interview for a pro-American Islamic TV station means he wants to spread fundamentalist Islamic law.

Sigh.

This country is in much more danger (and in fact, already has a history of) codifying Judeo-Christian morality into law.

 

[PokerGuy]

I think I'm honored that you think I'm ignorant. I certainly wouldn't want to be one of the people you consider intelligent.

Absolutely no worries there, nobody thinks you're intelligent

 

[Carmen813]

Absolutely no worries there, nobody thinks you're intelligent

I'm not certain intelligence exists on political internet forums. This is just entertainment.

 

[heyheybooboo]

50% of Republican Voters live in an alternate reality

In other Breaking News today, the Sun will rise in the east.


At least the other 44 percent of the rest of us live in a more legitimate alternate reality.

And the remaining 6 percent? Phewwwww. They're out there on Planet Claire.





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[Carmen813]

50% of Republican Voters live in an alternate reality

In other Breaking News today, the Sun will rise in the east.


At least the other 44 percent of the rest of us live in a more legitimate alternate reality.

And the remaining 6 percent? Phewwwww. They're out there on Planet Claire.





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Fuck, now I've got coffee all over my computer.

 

[werepossum]

Here is the actual wording of the question:

"Some people have alleged that Barack Obama sympathizes with the goals of Islamic fundamentalists who want to impose Islamic law around the world."

It's amazing how you guys around this forum seem to always fail at reading comprehension.

Considering 17% of Democrats responded likewise, probably tells you that more than likely, by the 24th question of a phone survey, most people don't give a fuck anymore of providing accurate responses.


But nice attempt at a troll thread there



Seriously, how did they get 332 cell phone surveys? I though cell phones were off limits from phone lists. And who takes that much time out of their day to respond to these? If any of you received a call on your cell phone asking you to take a 24 question survey, I'm betting you'd all hang up immediately. I'm looking at that survey and guessing it's minimum half hour to complete. Yea, I'm saying the longer in to a survey the greater the survey diverges from the truth.


Oh sorry, that would be thinking, and thinking has no place in this forum GO PROGRESSIVES!!!! RAH RAH RAH!!!!

Wow, thanks! I wondered how so many of my countrymen could be so stupid, now I know that the question was designed to produce results that could then be manipulated for political gain. Certainly Obama sympathizes with these people, at least to some degree, as he perceives them to be oppressed. Certainly Obama does NOT want to spread Islamic law, in the USA or elsewhere.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Fuck, now I've got coffee all over my computer.

Don't blame me.

Blame the residents of Planet Claire (a substantial majority of which seem to post at ATP&N).




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[Cogman]

Want to see some magic? Have a poll that says bush or the republican party has some evil goal. Poll people and see what the outcome will be.

I can almost guarantee that the results would be exactly the same.

Just think of how you would respond to a question like

"Bush's goal is to spread anti-gay ideologies around the world"
would you say
A. Definitely true
B. Probably true
C. Probably false
or
D. Definitely false

 

[Carmen813]

Want to see some magic? Have a poll that says bush or the republican party has some evil goal. Poll people and see what the outcome will be.

I can almost guarantee that the results would be exactly the same.

Just think of how you would respond to a question like

"Bush's goal is to spread anti-gay ideologies around the world"
would you say
A. Definitely true
B. Probably true
C. Probably false
or
D. Definitely false

See, that was one of my first thoughts. "Surely there must have been some type of position that the left held that was equally deranged" but I didn't follow politics closely enough so I don't really know what it was.

I was thinking something like wars and oil, but that was the only one I could come up with. Even in such a situation it makes more "sense" (not much) given his administrations factual ties to oil corporations, as opposed to mythological ties Obama has to Islam. So there must be a better one.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Newsweek...just saying.

 

[werepossum]

Newsweek...just saying.

Quite true. Still, after some further examination the question isn't as misleading as I first thought. Certainly President Obama sympathizes with those Muslims attempting to spread Sharia law, believing them to be oppressed by Western civilization, but there's no evidence he sympathizes with their goal of spreading Sharia law. One can sympathize with someone perceived as having been victimized without in any way supporting the actual actions they take as a result of that perceived injustice. Since the question was specifically about Obama's sympathy for their goals, not the Muslims themselves, that suggests either a knee-jerk reaction to Obama and Muslims being linked, or an actual widespread belief that The Messiah wants to spread Sharia law. So although I'm pretty sure Newsweek concocted and worded its poll question purely for political purposes, the results are still disturbing.

 

[Munky]

In other news... 50% democrat voters would support a vegetable if it promised them free healthcare, free gas and free housing.

 

[Craig234]

In other news... 50% democrat voters would support a vegetable if it promised them free healthcare, free gas and free housing.

You show only that you understand nothing of the democrat party, again.

 

[BurnItDwn]

In other news... 50% democrat voters would support a vegetable if it promised them free healthcare, free gas and free housing.

I would vote for asparagus because it's delicious, and because asparagus can't damage the country like a democrat or republican can!

 

[Munky]

You show only that you understand nothing of the democrat party, again.

No, I just omitted some more esoteric concepts like redistribution of wealth and lala-land gun control.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Let's follow Craig's logic from multiple posts:

(1) The deficit is a huge problem
(2) The problems with the deficit is a war by the rich
(3) According to Craig, the Tea Party is just a plot funded by the rich to benefit the rich
(4) The propaganda of the Tea Party is to reduce spending

So...

The huge deficit is a plot to benefit the rich, and the reduction of the deficit is also a plot to benefit the rich?



All you ever provide for evidence is more lame statements blindly declaring all Republicans as evil. Come on, at least try. And you can't point to Chavez as your hero.

(4) fixed. Say anything to get in power. Promise, but do the opposite.

 

[Carmen813]

Quite true. Still, after some further examination the question isn't as misleading as I first thought. Certainly President Obama sympathizes with those Muslims attempting to spread Sharia law, believing them to be oppressed by Western civilization, but there's no evidence he sympathizes with their goal of spreading Sharia law. One can sympathize with someone perceived as having been victimized without in any way supporting the actual actions they take as a result of that perceived injustice. Since the question was specifically about Obama's sympathy for their goals, not the Muslims themselves, that suggests either a knee-jerk reaction to Obama and Muslims being linked, or an actual widespread belief that The Messiah wants to spread Sharia law. So although I'm pretty sure Newsweek concocted and worded its poll question purely for political purposes, the results are still disturbing.

A President who has increased missile strikes against terrorists and sent 30,000 more troops to fight the Taliban (a regime that actively imposed fundamentalist Islamic law) secretly sympathizes with those who want to impose Sharia law because he believes they are oppressed by Western society?

Wat.

That sounds a lot like this.

He doesn't sympathize with those attempting to spread fundamentalist Sharia law at all, and he doesn't think they have been victimized. His only actual actions have been to actively use our armed forces to kill them. He sympathizes with moderate Muslims around the world, and Muslim Americans, who are discriminated against because radicals have hijacked and twisted Islam in an attempt to gain power and exert control over others.