5 days from fundamentally transforming America

[Braznor]

At one time, I too was under the delusion of the current political processes. Then I grew up and realized they are all the same in my country or yours.

Obama or Romney, it makes no difference what mask a politician wears, just remember it is one to always fool you Americans.

Obama or Romney, it makes no difference who wins because in the end it is you who always lose and and it is the establishment which always win.

Obama or Romney, I have personally come to realize in the past two or three years that Ron Paul is the best candidate who can offer the most positive difference to your lives. But the system is against him, so him being your president is out of question nearly forever.

Obama or Romney, remember what ever you choose, the true establishment will always force upon you their choices one way or another. These two faces are just your psychological alternatives to accept how the choice is accepted in your mind. It does not matter what these choices are, it is always only for your worse, but these two faces are the soothing comforting elements of denial to ensure you accept the compromises of your liberty and prosperity after numbing down your brain enough to swallow the pain the system is inflicting on you and your loved ones.

Obama or Romney, it makes no difference unless you consider these choices in terms of the least damaging factors to your wellbeing. Thats the best you can do at this time and at this rate, hope too in the much foreseeable future.

This reminds me of a poem of a great man, his poem was for sailors, addressing them as the true sons of an island called Salamis, the first motherport in naval history. This great man identified himself as a son of the Naval Mother Salamis and rued her sorrow when this 'mother' learns the true tragic fate of her loving son. We need not be sailors to understand this. Replace Salamis with Mother America (or India for me) and we as the sons of liberty can identify the pain of this great man. Here is his poem, note I make no comment on its circumstances, just the appropriateness of its context to the tragedy of the loss of freedom amongst all free men over the globe:

Fair Salamis, the billows’ roar,
Wander around thee yet,
And sailors gaze upon thy shore
Firm in the Ocean set.
Thy son is in a foreign clime
Where Ida feeds her countless flocks,
Far from thy dear, remembered rocks,
Worn by the waste of time–
Comfortless, nameless, hopeless save
In the dark prospect of the yawning grave....
Woe to the mother in her close of day,
Woe to her desolate heart and temples gray,
When she shall hear
Her loved one’s story whispered in her ear!
“Woe, woe!’ will be the cry–
No quiet murmur like the tremulous wail
Of the lone bird, the querulous nightingale–

 

[wirednuts]

the best thing people can do is vote for a 3rd party.. but since were all taught that is "just like throwing your vote away" nobody does it.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Best thing people can do is vote Romney to get the demon in the White house out . PERIOD

 

[Todd33]

 

[ivwshane]

Best thing people can do is vote Romney to get the demon in the White house out . PERIOD

I don't know about you guys but I'm taking my advice from this guy!! His reasoning is sound and you can't dispute the whole demon issue!








/s

Lol yeah right!

 

[MovingTarget]

We are three days from the LSU-Bama matchup, and I heartily agree with the NO-BAMA slogan.

A Pox on your house! A Pox I say!

 

[MovingTarget]

The only fundamental change that we would have is for the GOP tea party faction to lose big in the House of Representatives. A change in the white house would only be a moderate change compared to that. Still, Romney/Ryan is a ticket for the wrong direction.

 

[Jhhnn]

well, ATP&N will surely see a fundamental transformation after that day.

I doubt we will hear much from Spidey afterwards. The shame and all..

:hmm:

Oh wait, who am I kidding? This guy has no shame!

He'll claim it was all the fraud for which there will be no proof, some vast conspiracy, that Mitt isn't a "Real Conservative", something, anything that will sustain his delusions, allow him to avoid examining his most cherished beliefs, even when they're obviously wrong. He believes what he wants to believe, independent of facts or reason, because in some truly perverse way... it makes him feel good to do so.

 

[zinfamous]

the best thing people can do is vote for a 3rd party.. but since were all taught that is "just like throwing your vote away" nobody does it.

I'm actually probably doing that, being that CA is pretty well locked-up. :|


Problem is...all these jokers are loony tunes. Barr? Johnson? Who is this Hoefling dude and Stein lady? I don't know...maybe they are worth a vote.

fuck it...I'm writing in Ron Swanson.



The props and measures are what matter for us.

 

[UberNeuman]

I'm about five minutes away from creating a fundamental transformation.

I'm going to turn this beer I'm drinking into urine.

\wish me luck, chaps!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm about five minutes away from creating a fundamental transformation.

I'm going to turn this beer I'm drinking into urine.

\wish me luck, chaps!

What are ya having?

 

[UberNeuman]

What are ya having?

ah, trick question as many consider it urine in the first place...

I'm having the champagne of champions, the brew of the rude crew...

Bud Light...

\yes, I am a wild man.....

 

[Nemesis 1]

The only fundamental change that we would have is for the GOP tea party faction to lose big in the House of Representatives. A change in the white house would only be a moderate change compared to that. Still, Romney/Ryan is a ticket for the wrong direction.

Ya our right more debt is equal to a stronger america , I don't know what I was thinking

 

[Pray To Jesus]

video sucks sorry

 

[JEDIYoda]

Americans were much better off during the Bush presidency, that's a fact.

Higher income, higher net worth, lower unemployment.

well maybe at some point but....at what point did Bush screw the pooch...or did you forget that all this was and still is a result of the incompetency of GWB????

You don`t fix what Bush screwed up in a mere 4 years...

 

[pcgeek11]

It started before Bush was in office.

 

[buckshot24]

Uh...what?

Will you be posting what the democrat congress passed that caused the collapse now or later?

What did Bush enact/repeal/sign that caused the collapse?

What did Clinton enact/repeal/sign that caused the collapse?

 

[her209]

How about posting which of Bush's policies led to the housing boom/bust?

http://prmia.org/pdf/Case_Studies/Fannie_Mae_and_Freddie_Mac_090911_v2.pdf

In 2000, rules were put into place that disallowed risky, high‐cost loans from being credited toward
affordable housing goals, due to a re‐assessment of the housing market by Housing and Urban
Development (HUD).

In 2002, President George W. Bush signed the Single‐Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit Act. The
"Renewing the Dream" program would give nearly $2.4 billion in tax credits over the next five years
to investors and builders who developed affordable single‐family housing in poor and distressed
areas.

Then in 2003, the Bush Administration recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the
housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis in the late 1980s. A new agency would be
created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae, to set capital‐reserve
requirements for the company and to determine whether Fannie Mae is adequately managing the
risks of its expanding portfolios.

On September 31, 2003, the New York Times reported that the plan is an acknowledgment by the
administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was broken. The Times also reported
Democratic opposition to Bush's plan: "These two entities ‐‐ Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ‐‐ are not
facing any kind of financial crisis," said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking
Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. "The more people exaggerate these problems, the
more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."
Later that year, President George W. Bush signed the American Dream Downpayment Act, a new
program that provided grants to help home buyers with downpayment and closing costs. The act
authorised $200 million dollars per year for 2004‐2007.

In 2004, the 2000 rules were dropped and high‐risk loans were again counted toward affordable
housing goals.

This was in the assumption that Fannie Mae's enforcement of their underwriting standards for
standard conforming mortgages would also provide safe and stable means of lending to buyers who
lacked a prime credit rating. The market continued to perceive that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
had an implicit government guarantee which gave them the ability to issue debt at lower rates than
would otherwise have been possible.

 

[buckshot24]

http://prmia.org/pdf/Case_Studies/Fannie_Mae_and_Freddie_Mac_090911_v2.pdf

I've run the numbers on that some place on this forum. Very little money involved with this act. Now how about posting the policies enacted/repealed/signed that Clinton was involved with. The list will be much bigger if you're being honest.

 

[her209]

I've run the numbers on that some place on this forum. Very little money involved with this act. Now how about posting the policies enacted/repealed/signed that Clinton was involved with. The list will be much bigger if you're being honest.

How about posting which of Bush's policies led to the housing boom/bust?

Now how about you fuck off?

 

[ivwshane]

What did Bush enact/repeal/sign that caused the collapse?

What did Clinton enact/repeal/sign that caused the collapse?

If you can't be bothered to follow along then don't fucking post a reply.

 

[Dulanic]

Best thing people can do is vote Romney to get the demon in the White house out . PERIOD

The best thing we can do is vote Obama to watch the wacko's heads explode.

 

[dank69]

Ya our right more debt is equal to a stronger america , I don't know what I was thinking

Now is my turn to tell you to do YOUR research. If Romney were able to follow through on his 5 point plan, he would add a minimum of $3T to the deficit over 10 years. If he doesn't raise taxes on the middle class he will add even more. These are facts. Basic mathematics, right up your alley.

 

[First]

I totally should have bet spidery more than $500. Damn it!

 

[MovingTarget]

Ya our right more debt is equal to a stronger america , I don't know what I was thinking

If the deficit is your bag, then you shouldn't be voting for Romney/Ryan. Their "plans" have a double whammy of reducing tax revenue while increasing spending. You cannot solve the deficit that way. The only way that it would "work" is if you believed the often-debunked belief that lowering already historically low tax rates will increase revenue. These snake-oil salesmen have you hook, line, and sinker.