5 days from fundamentally transforming America

[ivwshane]

I mean a govt that has grown to nearly 4 trillion\year in a futile attempt to stimulate the economy.

Where did you pull this from?

Which one is running on Bush policies and which isnt?

I thought it was pretty clear, Romney is running on bush's platform as evidence of not only his policy proposals (cut taxes and increase military spending) but also by the fact that a good chunk of mitts advisors also worked under bush.

 

[thraashman]

Well considering that leftists apparently think that tax cuts to the rich forced people to buy houses they could not afford...

Now here's a point worth discussing. First, it should be mentioned that the recession began in early-mid 2007 only a few months after Democrats regained control of Congress and before any real policy changes could have had an effect. Regardless of who was President at the time and in Congress at the time, the housing crisis was the major driver of the recession and it would have happened anyway. That cannot be blamed on Bush.

However, the full on economic crisis was caused due to financial institution manipulations of toxic assets until it came to a head and Lehman Brothers collapsed causing a domino affect. This was due in large part to a heavy roll back of regulations upon the financial sector by Bush and the GOP. So the full on collapse WAS indeed the fault of the GOP.

The biggest problem revolving around the Bush tax cuts in relation to this is that it drained the coffers, drove up the deficit and debt, and didn't do anything to create jobs as the rich just pocketed the extra money and got richer. In addition the wars created instability in the middle east, driving up the price of oil and again thanks to limited to no regulation this rampant speculation drove up the price even more. This drove up cost of living across the nation.

I don't feel like saying anything in regards to the OP of this thread as quite frankly spidey has proven he is beyond help and simply too crazy to see reason. There is nothing in regards to this topic that can be turned into belittling or demonizing women, so I figured you can have a normal conversation about it.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Americans were much better off during the Bush presidency, that's a fact.

My buddy from high school was one of the first killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom. If he could, I think he'd make the point that he wasn't much better off under Bush.

 

[Blackjack200]

How does one go back into the Bush years without Bush running for president?

By electing Romney?

 

[airdata]

My buddy from high school was one of the first killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom. If he could, I think he'd make the point that he wasn't much better off under Bush.

Operation find phantom wmd.
Don't find wmd, pretend you're there to liberate people.

Sad that soldiers are played like that to fight for things they believe in without knowing full well what they're really fighting for.

 

[nehalem256]

I didn't make that claim.


Will you be posting the legislation democrats passed after this post or will you be editing that one?

Funny, because that is what we were discussing.

 

[Genx87]

Where did you pull this from?

Now I have to ask if you are retarded? You ever look at the size of our federal budget? Compare it to 12 years ago. We are ever expanding our govt in a futile attempt to maintain our standard of living. This will come crashing down and make the last two bubbles look like childs play.

I thought it was pretty clear, Romney is running on bush's platform as evidence of not only his policy proposals (cut taxes and increase military spending) but also by the fact that a good chunk of mitts advisors also worked under bush.

And this differs which the other candidate how? Oh that is right, Obama wants to tax the rich who make 250K or more. Otherwise which major policy do these two clones differ on? That is the point I was making to spidey in my first response. Obama or Romney who cares. No major change in the direction of big govt. And both are expanding on the failed policies of Bush.

 

[umbrella39]

Repost

 

[umbrella39]

Heh if Romney wins what major difference will there be outside of an R in front of his name? Serious question. What do you think Romney will get done that is vastly different than Obama?

* crickets * But were you really expecting Spidey to reply?

 

[Genx87]

* crickets * But were you really expecting Spidey to reply?

Not really. But it needed to be asked anyway.

 

[diesbudt]

Not really, just the same old crap Spidey usually posts.

Actually its the same ole crap from multiple people on P&N that post all the time on their biased opinions.


So it is the same... yet interesting to see what new light they can shine on each sides biased "evidence" on things.

Who wants some popcorn? I have extra!

 

[JEDIYoda]

spidey is so full of shit it never ceases to amuse.

Spidey is so full of shit...before he dies they need to give Spidey an enema so they can bury him in a matchbox!!

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Otherwise which major policy do these two clones differ on?

You mean aside from abortion rights, federal funding for public education, types of SCOTUS judges they'd appoint, view of federal regulations, attitude towards the Middle East, attitude towards Russia, equal pay for women, oil subsidies, alternative energy, gay marriage rights, support for FEMA, healthcare policy, tax policy, Medicare and Medicaid changes, immigration reform, environmental protection, and government programs for the poor?

Not too much.

 

[Pens1566]

You mean aside from abortion rights, federal funding for public education, types of SCOTUS judges they'd appoint, view of federal regulations, attitude towards the Middle East, attitude towards Russia, equal pay for women, oil subsidies, alternative energy, gay marriage rights, support for FEMA, healthcare policy, tax policy, Medicare and Medicaid changes, immigration reform, environmental protection, and government programs for the poor?

Not too much.

You left out increasing defense spending that even the DoD doesn't want.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally Posted by Genx87


Thank god Bush isnt running for President.

Quote:
He was responding to a previous posters comment that the bush years were great.


Do I need to explain how forums work?

Actually it does not matter what he was responding to -- Genx87 was 100% correct......with a little over 1,800 posts you would probably do well to sit back and learn....compared to Genx87`s over 30,000 posts!!

 

[xj0hnx]

I'm broke, Spidey, you still taking action on this Romney/Obama thing?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Setting aside the merits of Mr. Obama as President, it strikes me as catastrophically naive and foolish to believe that a Romney presidency would "fundamentally transform America." While it is hard to be confident about how a President Romney would govern (since he has waffled his away around all sides of nearly every issue of consequence), his tenure as Governor of Massachusetts suggests that he, like the President, is generally centrist. Regardless of what he may attempt in an effort to undo Obamacare, he doesn't have the votes to do so. He has yet to announce his economic plans in any clear way, and made it clear in the final debate that his foreign policy will be for all intents and purposes identical to President Obama's. Ultimately the major substantive area where a Romney presidency would differ from a second term with Obama is in his appointment of Supreme Court justices, but again I suspect you will not like what you see, because I think when push comes to shove Romney is a smart and pragmatic person who will likely try to avoid appointing Scalia-type ideologues.

The bottom line: If you are expecting a "fundamental transformation," you are in for a crushing disappointment.

Ultimately I don't think this kind of speculation will be worth the electrons it's being printed on anyway, because at this point I expect the President will win both the popular and electoral votes next week, and the OP will be forced to return to fantasizing about his adopted "dream ticket" of Perry/Cain for 2016.

 

[hal2kilo]

Setting aside the merits of Mr. Obama as President, it strikes me as catastrophically naive and foolish to believe that a Romney presidency would "fundamentally transform America." While it is hard to be confident about how a President Romney would govern (since he has waffled his away around all sides of nearly every issue of consequence), his tenure as Governor of Massachusetts suggests that he, like the President, is generally centrist. Regardless of what he may attempt in an effort to undo Obamacare, he doesn't have the votes to do so. He has yet to announce his economic plans in any clear way, and made it clear in the final debate that his foreign policy will be for all intents and purposes identical to President Obama's. Ultimately the major substantive area where a Romney presidency would differ from a second term with Obama is in his appointment of Supreme Court justices, but again I suspect you will not like what you see, because I think when push comes to shove Romney is a smart and pragmatic person who will likely try to avoid appointing Scalia-type ideologues.

The bottom line: If you are expecting a "fundamental transformation," you are in for a crushing disappointment.

Ultimately I don't think this kind of speculation will be worth the electrons it's being printed on anyway, because at this point I expect the President will win both the popular and electoral votes next week, and the OP will be forced to return to fantasizing about his adopted "dream ticket" of Perry/Cain for 2016.

I agree with most of what you stated except for the SCOTUS nominees.

Unfortunately, not really much changes fundamentally with how government is executed. I blame the EC and non-proportional voting for the predicament we are in. Voter participation is pathetic in this country due to the feeling by alot of people that they have no effect on what happens in this country. Unfortunately, Republicans have no interest in expanding the voter pools since with their stated policies they know what the result of that would be.

 

[spidey07]

Setting aside the merits of Mr. Obama as President, it strikes me as catastrophically naive and foolish to believe that a Romney presidency would "fundamentally transform America." While it is hard to be confident about how a President Romney would govern (since he has waffled his away around all sides of nearly every issue of consequence), his tenure as Governor of Massachusetts suggests that he, like the President, is generally centrist. Regardless of what he may attempt in an effort to undo Obamacare, he doesn't have the votes to do so. He has yet to announce his economic plans in any clear way, and made it clear in the final debate that his foreign policy will be for all intents and purposes identical to President Obama's. Ultimately the major substantive area where a Romney presidency would differ from a second term with Obama is in his appointment of Supreme Court justices, but again I suspect you will not like what you see, because I think when push comes to shove Romney is a smart and pragmatic person who will likely try to avoid appointing Scalia-type ideologues.

The bottom line: If you are expecting a "fundamental transformation," you are in for a crushing disappointment.

Ultimately I don't think this kind of speculation will be worth the electrons it's being printed on anyway, because at this point I expect the President will win both the popular and electoral votes next week, and the OP will be forced to return to fantasizing about his adopted "dream ticket" of Perry/Cain for 2016.

Lol! It's clear you didn't even watch the video nor even know where "fundamentally transform" comes from. The mind of the liberal doesn't even know Obama.

 

[hal2kilo]

Lol! It's clear you didn't even watch the video nor even know where "fundamentally transform" comes from. The mind of the liberal doesn't even know Obama.

Beware of zealots!

 

[xj0hnx]

Lol! It's clear you didn't even watch the video nor even know where "fundamentally transform" comes from. The mind of the liberal doesn't even know Obama.

What do you got riding on the election so far? $500 on Obama

 

[Blackjack200]

So Spidey, what are you doing 5 days from today, that is Monday btw, that's fundamentally going to transform America?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Lol! It's clear you didn't even watch the video nor even know where "fundamentally transform" comes from. The mind of the liberal doesn't even know Obama.

So educate me - in what specific, concrete sense do you believe a President Romney would "fundamentally transform" the United States?

As per usual, you are speaking based on (largely groundless) hatred of the President rather than based on anything real. I get the sense that your interest in politics is very much like a child's interest in professional wrestling, and you mostly want the "good guy" to beat the "bad guy." I also don't believe it's coincidental that the bad guy happens to be black (you know, the same race that, according to you, favors the "ghetto stomp" as a way of stamping out Whitey).

I can't deny that I look forward to your reaction to Tuesday's election - I anticipate it will be a costly day for you both financially and in terms of your bottomless well of confidence in your own wisdom.

 

[umbrella39]

Lol! It's clear you didn't even watch the video nor even know where "fundamentally transform" comes from. The mind of the liberal doesn't even know Obama.

Heh if Romney wins what major difference will there be outside of an R in front of his name? Serious question. What do you think Romney will get done that is vastly different than Obama?

Cat got your tongue?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

So Spidey, what are you doing 5 days from today, that is Monday btw, that's fundamentally going to transform America?

In Spidey's world, the real excitement is reserved for the day before Election Day. That's when he will camp out a day in advance, in iPhone-release-day fashion, to write in Perry-Cain and start to truly transform these United States.