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biodoc

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You know you're a DC addict when you dread the coming of hot weather! D:

80+ degrees F in boston yesterday. My GPUs are feeling some pain. :biggrin:
 

biodoc

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I'll be dumping enigma and more collatz WUs when enigma goes live in a couple of hours.
 

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From the pentathlon chat box:
N said:
Don't forget: you might want to decrease the target CPU run time @ Rosetta and switch to something shorter than 'large' @ Collatz for the last hours.
I'm trying to figure out what to do with my systems with Enigma and later POEM. My phone can only run Enigma, so that's that. My GPU likewise can only run Collatz. But my tablet can run Enigma or POGS, and my CPU can run anything.

At this point I'm downloading a bunch of work for POGS, since its reporting deadline time is approaching the end of the race, and once that exceeds the end of the race I imagine I'm less likely to get credit in time. I'm thinking about switching my tablet to Enigma (which only takes one result for credit) for awhile and switching it back later, manually pruning WUs that don't yet have a matching result. But that kind of leaves POEM out in the cold unless I run out of POGS work early.
 

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Re R@H unfortunately because of the expiry dates BOINC was only allowing pogs to crunch (bar 1 WU! lol). So I won't be adding anything to the race on that project (bar 107 credits). I suspended it the other day anyway, I'll crunch the WUs I have got after the race, at least I will of done a little R@H at long last, lol.

I just set up a 6 core (12 virtual) Xeon E5-2430L server yesterday. It won't go into actual use for a couple of weeks (got delivered early) so for now it's just "stress testing" running POGS for me. It will be interesting to see how the Xeon CPU scores on the project. :)

edit: 10,399 points after just the first 24 hours running Pogs. Not too shabby at all! :)

Nice addition! :cool:, I see your at ~40k now :).

Rank.... Team ........... Overall points ... Pogs ... R@H ... Collatz ... Enigma

13 Ukraine ...................... 159 ........... 33 ....... 45 ....... 24 ......... 57
14 Meisterkuehler.de Team 132 ........... 57 ....... 27 ....... 33 ......... 15
15 Team 2ch ................... 132 ........... 30 ....... 54 ....... 36 ......... 12
16 TeAm AnandTech ........ 114 ........... 21 ....... 33 ........ 27 ......... 33
17 BOINC@AUSTRALIA .... 111 ........... 45 ....... 30 ........ 15 ......... 21
18 BOINC@MIXI ............... 96 ........... 24 ....... 15 ........ 30 ......... 27


Australia's close! :eek:
Looks like we're only significantly behind in pogs amongst this group.

Keng6

7) [TA]Assimilator1 ... 83,225 ... 5,912.16 ... United Kingdom
8) Ken_g6 .............. 166,300 ... 5,640.31 ... United States


;)
 
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Ken g6

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Keng6

7) [TA]Assimilator1 ... 83,225 ... 5,912.16 ... United Kingdom
8) Ken_g6 .............. 166,300 ... 5,640.31 ... United States

;)
Yeah, I diverted my tablet from POGS to Enigma. I couldn't load up lots of POGS WUs on it, and I was afraid a lot of WUs at this point and later might not be validated until after the race ends. Also, I think your machines are intrinsically faster than mine; did you not start as early as I did?

Thanks for the stats! :)

P.S. Don't forget that Collatz work stops counting in about 4 hours.
 

biodoc

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Thanks for the stats, AS1! :):thumbsup:

16th place is quite good I think. There are a significant number of powerful teams in this race! :eek:
 

Fardringle

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I just set up a 6 core (12 virtual) Xeon E5-2430L server yesterday. It won't go into actual use for a couple of weeks (got delivered early) so for now it's just "stress testing" running POGS for me. It will be interesting to see how the Xeon CPU scores on the project. :)


edit: 10,399 points after just the first 24 hours running Pogs. Not too shabby at all! :)
This will be my last time quoting myself (for a while, anyway), but I'm really pleased with the output if this 'wee beastie' so I wanted to make an update. After exactly 4 full days running POGS 24/7, the server now has 50,418 points. That's an average of 12604.5 points per day (1050.4 points per hour) which is pretty impressive for what is a "basic" server CPU now - it was the cheapest option available from Dell. The BOINC single CPU benchmark is actually quite a bit lower than my i5-4570 desktops, but having 12 tasks running at the same time really adds up! :)
 

Assimilator1

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That's a very decent boost :cool:.

Yeah, I diverted my tablet from POGS to Enigma. I couldn't load up lots of POGS WUs on it, and I was afraid a lot of WUs at this point and later might not be validated until after the race ends. Also, I think your machines are intrinsically faster than mine; did you not start as early as I did?

Thanks for the stats! :)

P.S. Don't forget that Collatz work stops counting in about 4 hours.
I was going to ask if you had diverted power ;).

I think I started pogs very slightly late, but TBH I can't remember, it'll be in my earlier posts :). What rigs have you got?
Didn't run Collatz in the end.

GleeM
Nice dump! :eek::cool:

Rank.... Team ........... Overall points ... Pogs ... R@H ... Collatz ... Enigma

13 Ukraine ............................ 159 ...... 33 ...... 45 ....... 24 ......... 57
14 Meisterkuehler.de Team ..... 159 ...... 54 ...... 33 ....... 45 ......... 27
15 Team 2ch ......................... 132 ...... 30 ...... 54 ....... 33 ......... 15
16 TeAm AnandTech .............. 105 ...... 24 ...... 30 ........ 27 ........ 24
17 BOINC@AUSTRALIA ............ 99 ...... 45 ...... 27 ........ 15 ........ 12
18 BOINCstats ........................ 99 ...... 27 ...... 18 ........ 21 ........ 33


A? How come we've lost points?? :confused:
 

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Rank.... Team ........... Overall points ... Pogs ... R@H ... Collatz ... Enigma

13 Ukraine ............................ 159 ...... 33 ...... 45 ....... 24 ......... 57
14 Meisterkuehler.de Team ..... 159 ...... 54 ...... 33 ....... 45 ......... 27
15 Team 2ch ......................... 132 ...... 30 ...... 54 ....... 33 ......... 15
16 TeAm AnandTech .............. 105 ...... 24 ...... 30 ........ 27 ........ 24
17 BOINC@AUSTRALIA ............ 99 ...... 45 ...... 27 ........ 15 ........ 12
18 BOINCstats ........................ 99 ...... 27 ...... 18 ........ 21 ........ 33

A? How come we've lost points?? :confused:
Previously had 33 points in Enigma, this dropping to 24 does have an inpact.

Unfortunately we lost one spot in Rosetta@home at the end. :(
 

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I was going to ask if you had diverted power ;).

I think I started pogs very slightly late, but TBH I can't remember, it'll be in my earlier posts :). What rigs have you got?

Rigs.

Also, it occurred to me that, three days before Collatz started, I started buffering work. I had to buffer POGS at the same time, so once Collatz started I dumped a bunch of POGS work too. Which explains my spiky graph.
 

GLeeM

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Do you run four WUs on the ARM (one on each core)?
The results seem better than I would have guessed from the BOINC Benchmark numbers.
Ken_g6, did you already tell us how the ARM does as far as cost to run - $/ppd or whatever? Electricity use and initial investment? Would it be a feasible route for a farm?
 

Ken g6

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The ARM cores I have seem to do about 1/4 the work of one Core 2 core, on the best projects for them. (POGS and Enigma both seem like good projects for them.) Yes, I'm running on all four cores on the tablet.

They're very power efficient. The tablet's using maybe four Watts. I'm not sure what the phone's using, but it's less than 2.5W. The tablet was ~$350, and I've seen the phone sold for $80 online. A new Moto-E for $129 would seem a better value than either, with 2 cores at the same speed as the tablet, unless you buy the tablet used. Then the Moto-G looks similar to the tablet, except less heat-dissipation area might be a problem.

It would take four Moto-G's to equal my one Core 2 Quad. That would be about $720. I don't think the value is there for a farm. :\

In other news, did you notice POEM is supposed to start tonight, and it's out of work? :rolleyes:
 

GLeeM

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In other news, did you notice POEM is supposed to start tonight, and it's out of work?
You just have to keep clicking "Update" ... about the first dozen times said "Project has no tasks available" and then I got 29 tasks!
You could go all day without getting any WUs if you don't click "Update" :)
 

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No luck getting work from Poem either. I tried clicking update many times yesterday and didn't get anything. Sometime overnight, my box pulled 3 WUs, but that's it so far. Their current server status shows:

Tasks by Application
Application / Unsent / In Progress
POEM Protein Folding / 0 / 0
POEM++ / 12 / 214,023
POEM++ OpenCL version / 0 / 0

Work / #
Tasks ready to send 8
Tasks in progress 213,846
Workunits waiting for validation 5
Workunits waiting for assimilation 1
Workunits waiting for file deletion 5
Tasks waiting for file deletion 4
Transitioner backlog (hours) 0

So, it looks like they may really be out of work. :(

Still got a lot of POGS & Enigma work to keep the box busy though I guess.
 

GLeeM

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So, it looks like they may really be out of work.
I am having a hard time right now also :(
But I think they are still issuing WUs like at the rate of 100 every so often, say 10-30 minutes. It is the same as when they had GPU WUs. I clicked "Update" many times every day to get from 10M to 21M - lots of Update clicking!

The situation is that we really need more POEM WUs to pass BOINC@AUSTRALIA for our overall position:
we are only 15K ahead of ICRAR in pogs (the only project ICRAR is doing?)
we are only 1K ahead of MIXI in Enigma
 

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Well seeing as POEM is struggling with issuing WUs wouldn't we be better off sticking with the other projects? (pogs & enigma). We'll still get points so surely we won't be any worse off in overall points?
And if clients stall then we're definitely losing points! :(

RD
Yea but why are we losing points?
[edit] Just a sec, are the project points actually % of the leading team??

Keng6
What's your Q9400 clocked to?

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Rank.... Team ........... Overall points ... Pogs ... R@H ... Collatz ... Enigma ... POEM

15 Meisterkuehler.de Team ..... 180 ..... 54 ....... 33 ........ 45 ........ 36 ......... 12
16 BOINC@AUSTRALIA ........... 132 ..... 45 ...... 27 ......... 15 ........ 12 ......... 33
17 TeAm AnandTech ............... 129 ..... 24 ...... 30 ......... 27 ........ 21 ......... 27
18 BOINCstats ....................... 114 ..... 27 ...... 18 ......... 21 ........ 27 ......... 21
19 Team Czech Republic* ....... 111 ....... 9 ........ 6 ......... 48 ........ 18 ......... 30


*Name cropped because it is too long :p.

Australia edging away from us!
 
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Ken g6

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What's your Q9400 clocked to?
Stock. My G41 mobo is terrible. I can't overclock at all. :(

My GTX 460 is factory-overclocked to 750/1500. Actually, I might be able to overclock it too, now - there are new tools in Linux - but one of its fans is failing so I haven't tried.

Edit: Points are based on rank in the race. People are passing us in some project(s). I think Australia has somebody doing a lot of POGS suddenly. At least we can't lose our points we've earned in R@H or Collatz now.
 

GLeeM

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[edit] Just a sec, are the project points actually % of the leading team??
The points are awarded according to position:
http://www.seti-germany.de/boinc_pentathlon/30_en_Awarded+points.html

The POEM WUs are still hard to get - I got a handful and that's all :(

Well seeing as POEM is struggling with issuing WUs wouldn't we be better off sticking with the other projects? (pogs & enigma). We'll still get points so surely we won't be any worse off in overall points?
It would be hard to climb a position in pogs. (but if not careful we could lose a position)
It would be easier to climb a position in Enigma.
It would be easy to climb several positions in POEM (or lose several positions), which is why I hope to get lots more POEM WUs.
 
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Assimilator1

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Ah, I get it now! A bit late :$.
I think it would be too late for me to start enigma as I have a stash of pogs WUs , (I just realised I should of lowered the cache before the race, doh!).
Looks like it's going to be pogs all the way for me, damn!

Keng6
Ah yea I remember talking about my sons G41 Asus mbrd with ya, yea that chipset sucks for o/cing but their maybe a way for you to o/c your quad. Does it have the option for changing FSB & PCIE clock?

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Rank.... Team ........... Overall points ... Pogs ... R@H ... Collatz ... Enigma ... POEM

15 Team 2ch ......................... 189 ..... 30 ....... 54 ........ 33 ........ 18 ....... 54
16 BOINC@AUSTRALIA ........... 126 ..... 45 ....... 27 ........ 15 ........ 12 ....... 27
17 TeAm AnandTech ............... 120 ..... 24 ....... 30 ........ 27 ........ 21 ...... 18
18 BOINCstats ....................... 114 ..... 27 ....... 18 ........ 21 ........ 27 ....... 21
19 BOINC@MIXI .................... 111 ..... 18 ....... 15 ........ 30 ........ 24 ....... 24


BOINC stats pogs output does seem to be lagging behind us the past few days so maybe we can catch them their? :) ...... assuming their not hoarding of course :p.

Pogs stats
Rank ... Team ............. Total credit ... output from last hr/12hrs/24hrs/5th-14th

17 BOINCstats ............ 3.289.625 ... 9.673 ... 115.183 ... 240.481 ... 560.612 ... 343.752 .... 299.006 ... 333.601 ... 247.588 ... 286.067 ... 316.219 ... 257.473 ... 214.374 ... 244.915

18 TeAm AnandTech ... 3.129.315 ... 11.805 ... 134.555 ... 254.844 ... 284.368 ... 411.153 ... 313.255 ... 231.463 ... 275.633 ... 321.211 ... 279.987 ... 275.633 ... 270.297 ... 264.279
 
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GLeeM

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Looks like it's going to be pogs all the way for me
Probably best ... as someone from ICRAR dumped a bunker so instead of them being 25,000 points behind they are only 25 points behind!
ICRAR is only crunching POGS, we have people crunching the other projects that will join POGS after Enigma is over!

POEM may be out of WUs after all. They make new WUs from finished and sent in ones. Everyone is bunkering them so the project is at a stand-still until just before the end of the Pentathlon when bunkers get dumped :(

Doesn't seem right that crunchers would harm the project ... goes against why we crunch?!?
 

biodoc

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I'll stick with enigma until the deadline (just over 24 hours from now) and then switch to pogs I guess. I'll probably check to see if there's any poem work before I switch to pogs though.

The problem with me starting 2 days of pogs is only 1/3 (?) of the WUs will validate by the end of the race.
 

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POEM was a really terrible choice for an anything-goes project all-around. Not enough WUs, apparently, and no GPU app. Next time I suggest that we vote for PrimeGrid in all the categories where it can apply. (Grabbag, GPU, and maybe math.) At least they know how to handle races! ;)
 

Fardringle

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ICRAR has passed us in Pogs. There's not much chance of us catching them again without some pretty significant help. I have all of my computers running Pogs and averaging about 86K points per day in the project but ICRAR is averaging about 60 more per day than we are right now...