5,000% Price Increase For Daraprim

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allisolm

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I saw him being interviewed on one of the cable news channels. When asked if he would lower the price, he retorted with an unequivocal "NO".

He caved and is going to lower the price. Doesn't say what the new one will be.

"He (Shkreli) didn't say what that "affordable" price would be, but stressed that the company already gives away the drug for free to about half the patients who use it and that Turing plans to expand its charitable drug program."



http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/22/investing/daraprim-aids-drug-price/index.html
 

Bitek

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If I was a terrible human being who only cared for money? Then yes. Seems like that's who we are dealing with.

Personally I would respond by sending FDA auditors to the facility for a very through audit and have them tear into these assholes. Find a thread and keep pulling until they have a change of heart on their marketing strategy.

Send a clear signal to any other financial geniuses that they can watch their returns evaporate rather quickly when compliance costs begin to explode.

Well said. I don't want to throw him in jail - I just want him to discover that his modus operandi has suddenly become very, very unprofitable, so that on Wall Street he is a legendary example of what not to do if you want to remain rich.

In exact agreement. We have the tools in place. The punch to the face needs to be hard enough no other wall st wizard ever tries to do this again.
 

Newell Steamer

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A former employer is suing him for $65 million;http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/22/controversial-drug-ceo-was-accused-of-serious-harassment.html

Shkreli, a former hedge fund manager, had been fired from Retrophin, which he founded, last year. In August, the company sued him in Manhattan federal court, for "repeatedly breaching his duty of loyalty to Retrophin," by allegedly using his control of Retrophin to "enrich himself and to pay off claims of [his prior hedge fund's] investors (who he had defrauded)," Retrophin claimed in its suit.

"Shkreli was the paradigm faithless servant," Retrophin charged in its suit, which is seeking $65 million in damages from its founder.
 

WHAMPOM

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You and me would get prison time for being such a crooked asshole but this guy has money and will get only a "bad, bad boy don't do it again." If anyone has the guts to prosecute him that is.
 
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Well said. I don't want to throw him in jail - I just want him to discover that his modus operandi has suddenly become very, very unprofitable, so that on Wall Street he is a legendary example of what not to do if you want to remain rich.

I'm for throwing him in jail. Too many businesses have preyed on people too much for too long. Fines are great but its just a business risk, jail is uncomfortable.
I am assuming he broke some kind of market manipulation law or antitrust law.
Look at VW with the emissions scam. There is no way its accidental this feature was plainly added to boost sales. Make it painful to do stuff like that.
Reminds me of when I had the land beaver (gopher) digging up my yard. I called the cities recommended animal control vendor and the price was $500 for a trap to be placed in the yard for 1 week. I said that's pretty expensive since you may not trap it. The representative said if I trap it myself its a $500 fine. I chose trap it myself its worth the risk.
I'm a law abiding guy but come on.
 

werepossum

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I'm for throwing him in jail. Too many businesses have preyed on people too much for too long. Fines are great but its just a business risk, jail is uncomfortable.
I am assuming he broke some kind of market manipulation law or antitrust law.
Look at VW with the emissions scam. There is no way its accidental this feature was plainly added to boost sales. Make it painful to do stuff like that.
Reminds me of when I had the land beaver (gopher) digging up my yard. I called the cities recommended animal control vendor and the price was $500 for a trap to be placed in the yard for 1 week. I said that's pretty expensive since you may not trap it. The representative said if I trap it myself its a $500 fine. I chose trap it myself its worth the risk.
I'm a law abiding guy but come on.
Jail assumes he broke some law. I am fine with giving him a grade A government rectal exam, but not with jailing him unless it's clear that he committed an offense calling for jail time.
 

dank69

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As Democrats always remind us, it's those dirty Republicans who love the rich and hate American, always conspiring to make the rich richer. Rich richie rich rich. Rich.

But not the Democrats, they're beacons of light in a world of darkness. Hillary is an angel, and it's only by the grace of a non-specific deity that she has been allowed to linger awhile longer on Earth, to lead us out of that darkness. All she needs is some campaign funds from a few hedge managers, and she'll make that happen.

If Democrats didn't try to constantly convince me that their shit smelled like roses, I probably wouldn't spend so much time mocking them.
Choke on that fucking straw, buddy. Very few liberals or Democrats here are thrilled with Hillary. Maybe you have no fucking idea what liberals and Democrats really want?
 

cubby1223

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Choke on that fucking straw, buddy. Very few liberals or Democrats here are thrilled with Hillary. Maybe you have no fucking idea what liberals and Democrats really want?

Hillary has the nomination virtually locked up, Sanders will not get it, and there isn't any viable contender to her currently running. So, given the total lack of threads in this forum complaining of insufficient choice on the Democratic side...
 

werepossum

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Choke on that fucking straw, buddy. Very few liberals or Democrats here are thrilled with Hillary. Maybe you have no fucking idea what liberals and Democrats really want?
lol Clearly that explains why 42% of Democrats are supporting Hillary thirteen months before the primary and at least 15% more support her if Biden doesn't run. Must be the very few 57% giving the 43% majority a bad name, eh?
 

1prophet

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In principle I agree. If it were for most other things that we want in life sure, why not. But we're talking about an essential drug that people's lives depend on. Surely that makes a difference, doesn't it?

We can go down that road that business is business and morality, compassion for others and simply "doing the right thing" doesn't matter when it comes to making a profit, but this guy, this heartless, greedy, take-no-prisoner apparition that is the quintessential product of the trade that molded his persona, he clearly stepped over the line that separates normal folks from the truly mentally deranged ones. It seems to me that if this guy could corner the market on air, he'd do it in less time than it takes a single synaptic firing off in Stephen Hawking's brain.

Just because he is legally allowed to prey on the sick and needy for fun and profit does not mean he is a perfectly fine human being that we should all just ignore or worse, hoist him up as a shining example of what a capitalistic society is capable of producing and someone our children should emulate right down to that sneering smirk of his.

His behavior should be severely restricted, whether by law or by social isolation just for the good of all mankind. Somewhere down the line he went off the reservation and came back hollowed out except for his myopic desire to "make a killing" any way he can.

That is exactly the road you need to go down and ask who brainwashed us to believe that way of thinking correct when it is detrimental to society in the long run, and why is Joe public who is taking it in rear because of it so quick to defend it?
 

Strk

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lol Clearly that explains why 42% of Democrats are supporting Hillary thirteen months before the primary and at least 15% more support her if Biden doesn't run. Must be the very few 57% giving the 43% majority a bad name, eh?

Considering the lack of support the DNC has for Sanders and not even trying to offer debates (we get what, 4 or 6?), it's not exactly overwhelming support for Hillary. It's more of the 'at least I've heard of her' vote.
 

dank69

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Clearly.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/21/politics/hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-2016/

And one of the loudest assholes in this forum is the biggest Hillary nuthugger I've ever seen.
I didn't realize that a poll where she leads versus a few people that most people have never heard of means those people think she is an angel. Do you know why I didn't realize that? Because it is a giant load of horse shit you fucking imbecile. Fuck off with your goddamn straw men. You are a worthless poster that has no idea how to post without mischaracterizing the opposition's position.

Take a breather and dial it back.
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shira

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Lest any one forget, it was the Republicans who opposed allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices, arguing that the free market was much better than "government control" of health care.

Bill to Let Medicare Negotiate Drug Prices Is Blocked


APRIL 18, 2007

WASHINGTON, April 18 — A pillar of the Democratic political program tumbled today when Republicans in the Senate blocked a proposal to allow Medicare to negotiate lower drug prices for millions of older Americans, a practice now forbidden by law.

Democrats could not muster the 60 votes needed to take up the legislation in the face of staunch opposition from Republicans, who said that private insurers and their agents, known as pharmacy benefit managers, were already negotiating large discounts for Medicare beneficiaries.

Fifty-five senators, including 6 Republicans, supported a Democratic motion to limit debate and proceed to consideration of the bill, while 42 senators voted against it. Such motions require a three-fifths majority under Senate rules. Without a limit on debate, opponents can prevent legislation from ever coming to a vote.

The Senate had only a brief debate on the merits of the legislation, which is a high priority for the new Democratic majority in Congress.

Republicans framed the issue as a choice between government-run health care and a benefit managed by the private sector. The drug benefit is delivered and administered by private insurers, under contract to Medicare.

Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, denounced the bill as “a step down the road to a single-payer, government-run health care system.”

Democrats said they were merely trying to untie the hands of the secretary of health and human services, so he could negotiate on behalf of 43 million Medicare beneficiaries.

“The Department of Veterans Affairs is able to negotiate for lower-priced drugs,” said the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada. “H.M.O.’s can negotiate. Wal-Mart can negotiate. Why in the world shouldn’t Medicare be able to do that?”

The 2003 Medicare law prohibits Medicare from negotiating drug prices, setting prices or establishing a uniform list of covered drugs, known as a formulary.

Mr. Reid said the Democrats fell short today because of “the power of the insurance industry and the pharmaceutical industry” and their close ties to Republicans in Congress.

But the vote also reflected ineffectual advocacy by Democrats, who were slow in responding to criticism from knowledgeable, well-prepared Republican senators like Charles E. Grassley of Iowa.

“Private competition works,” said Mr. Grassley, a principal author of the 2003 Medicare law. “The government has very little experience and a dismal track record figuring out what to pay for drugs.”

Big companies that offer the Medicare drug benefit, like Caremark and Medco Health Solutions, “have more market power than Medicare” because they negotiate for tens of millions of people in private health plans, as well as for Medicare recipients, Mr. Grassley said.

And in case you don't see the connection between Republican intransigence on allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices and the Daraprim fiasco . . . .

In the United States, there's no such negotiation process to speak of. Federal law bars Medicare, the country's largest insurance plan, from even trying to negotiate bulk discounts with drugmakers. Once a pharmaceutical company sets its price, the government-run plan that insures 49 million seniors is required to accept it.

So now Medicare is OBLIGATED to pay Turing Pharmaceuticals's outrageous price for Daraprim. But that's a big victory for "private competition." Just ask Republicans.
 

BoberFett

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I didn't realize that a poll where she leads versus a few people that most people have never heard of means those people think she is an angel. Do you know why I didn't realize that? Because it is a giant load of horse shit you fucking imbecile. Fuck off with your goddamn straw men. You are a worthless poster that has no idea how to post without mischaracterizing the opposition's position.

So much butthurt. LOL, you little bitch, keep crying.
 

BoberFett

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So now Medicare is OBLIGATED to pay Turing Pharmaceuticals's outrageous price for Daraprim. But that's a big victory for "private competition." Just ask Republicans.

What branch is the FDA? Who does it report to?

LOL, another little partisan bitch.
 

werepossum

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Lest any one forget, it was the Republicans who opposed allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices, arguing that the free market was much better than "government control" of health care.

And in case you don't see the connection between Republican intransigence on allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices and the Daraprim fiasco . . . .

So now Medicare is OBLIGATED to pay Turing Pharmaceuticals's outrageous price for Daraprim. But that's a big victory for "private competition." Just ask Republicans.
Medicare negotiates nothing; Medicare tells you what you are going to be paid, and that's eventually, if you are lucky, and usually after multiple filings. Extending this to drugs will simply raise drug prices for everyone not on Medicare/Medicaid.
 

trenchfoot

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Lest any one forget, it was the Republicans who opposed allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices, arguing that the free market was much better than "government control" of health care.



And in case you don't see the connection between Republican intransigence on allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices and the Daraprim fiasco . . . .



So now Medicare is OBLIGATED to pay Turing Pharmaceuticals's outrageous price for Daraprim. But that's a big victory for "private competition." Just ask Republicans.

Free market works, especially when the free market can corrupt our politicians into writing laws that de facto give them monopoly status.

Free market indeed. Since when is "free market" defined as it being able to monopolize itself and still be able to claim that title. Yet, the cry and howl for "MORE FREE MARKET!!!" and "LESS REGULATION" is still being loudly echo'd throughout the halls of Congress as if "THE FREE MARKET" could ever be trusted to be just that.

What a joke that is. What a complete and utter fraudulent poser of an excuse the right has been propagandizing the people with in order for the "FREE MARKET" to maintain its shadow of a sham.
 

Sunburn74

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One of two things desperately needs to happen in this country in order to allow for fair and reasonable drug pricing.

Either
1) a law is passed allowing medicare to negotiate drug prices with pharmaceutical companies
2) a law is passed that allows US pharmacies to import drugs from other countries (presumably at the much lower prices those countries have negotiated)

The current trend is simply non-sustainable
 
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