5.0 is Confirmed

[alkemyst]

IRS is the new armchair 'driver' chant.

 

[LTC8K6]

On that track. Every day driving with unpredictable pavement is a whole other story. I simply would not be comfortable tossing a car into corners on twisty mountain roads unless all wheels are independently planted. Ford is letting Mustang, their highest profile iconic car persist as a symbol of their backwardness.

Sounds like a perfect candidate for twisty mountain roads to me. This review wasn't from a track. Why do so many people think they know better than Ford?

Body control with the Track pack is astounding. It doesn’t pogo, doesn’t shimmy, doesn’t slump to the outside and clop its way through a corner. The ride may be firm, but nothing throws it off the slot-like path you cut through turns. And somehow that live axle deals with pitching and pocked pavement with much of the sure-footed poise of an independent setup. A Track-pack Mustang used only at the drag strip is a Mustang wasted.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Why are you telling me your driving history? It isn't relevant, and I don't care.

And you "following" stories on a GTO forum makes you an expert. Talk about irrelevant and not giving a shit. Yep, a true sampling! God you are awesome!!

 

[KentState]

I think this will be my next car. It has a few comprimises, but is more of complete package considering you can get 412hp, 6spd, navigation, decent room and trunk, and have it for around $35k.

 

[ChaiBabbaChai]

...but it's still a POS.

 

[Ronstang]

Seriously though, they had a friggin' IRS in the Thunderbirds back in the 90's. How friggin' much could it cost to throw a couple of cv joints and wishbones in the back of a Mustang? Its the only thing the car is missing. Everyone sais "Oh it doesn't need it" blah blah blah. It would improve the handling, why wouldn't you want it?

For everyone who sais it doesn't need it, if IRS was an option for 600 bucks, would you buy it? Or you would buy the GT with a solid axle back there?

Quite funny that you spend most of the thread postulating how the Mustang can't possibly have enough traction to beat a Camaro because it is too light you then demand an IRS which would make the car have even less traction. There are a lot of guys with 03-04 Cobras that sold off the IRS in their car and replaced it with a live axle.

The Shelbys walked all over the Corvettes in SCCA racing events in the mid 60s, embarrassingly so, and the Corvettes had IRS and the Shelbys didn't.

 

[exar333]

...but it's still a POS.

Troll. Get the hell out of the thread, thank you.

 

[exdeath]

The problem with the IRS in the 03-04 Cobra is that it shipped in a very poor configuration from the factory with soft rubber bushings EVERYWHERE and a breakage prone cast aluminum differential cover (which the rear mount bolts to), and too much slack in the differential and gears (the infamous "clunk"). It take's a lot of time and money and patience to get the IRS performing as good or better than the solid axle.

For most people's purpose it's just not worth it, and a solid axle makes more sense.

One huge benefit of IRS for a low cost production car is the ability to tune the rear suspension behavior, particularly bump steer. The rear wheel toe can be set to push or pull the wheels towards the inside of the corner to keep the rear tucked in. It's not the ideal setup for the best performance, but it's safer for the average driver.

However those who think IRS makes or breaks the car and determines it's handling ability and who are making the "technology" argument fail at life. It's the same thing as the "eww pushrods" crowd who don't care which car is actually better, but which one has the most "technology" and acronyms, while they own nor can afford neither.

 

[ChaiBabbaChai]

Troll. Get the hell out of the thread, thank you.

HAhahahaha. I love you so much and will always remember your outstanding contribution to the world of awesome looking cars that are slow and handle like trucks.

 

[MBrown]

*shakes head in disappointment from the bickering in this thread*

 

[Arkaign]

...but it's still a POS.

You're like the idiot stepchild of LOIUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. You should go ahead and tell people that AT gets better gas mileage than MT in an '04 Accord, that was good for a laugh.

 

[videogames101]

HAhahahaha. I love you so much and will always remember your outstanding contribution to the world of awesome looking cars that are slow and handle like trucks.

Ok, so please justify saying the '11 V8 Mustang is slow. Please.

The show me how it handles worse than a truck. Put both around a track.

No?

GTFO

 

[Arkaign]

Ok, so please justify saying the '11 V8 Mustang is slow. Please.

The show me how it handles worse than a truck. Put both around a track.

No?

GTFO

Hah, yeah .. the thing apparently laps a circuit on time with the E92 M3, and I dare anyone to say that's not a really good handling GT car.

 

[SludgeFactory]

Now that Ford has *finally* got 4 valve heads in the GT, this engine is going to LOVE forced induction. I suspect you'll be able to bolt on a SC and get >550HP while staying fairly conservative with the boost. I wonder if the stock internals and tranny will handle that. Regardless, that's insane.

Yeah, I'll seriously be thinking about a 2012 with a 6-speed, after Ford has a year under their belt with the new powertrain.

 

[SludgeFactory]

Light is good, to a point. It will improve handling and cornering, but if there's no weight over the wheels the car won't get enough traction to use that horsepower. It's a balance, that's for sure.

You're reaching pretty hard here. 3000-3200 lb RWD exotics with 500 HP have less weight over the rear wheels than a 53/47 GT, and they do just fine "hooking up" on street tires, posting sub-4-second 0-60's, and charging down the quarter mile in the 12's for the car mag reviews.

F = ma, it applies in whatever direction you're accelerating. The weight disparity is something like 7-8% in favor of the Mustang vs. the Camaro. That's substantial.

 

[LTC8K6]

Keep in mind that the current Mustang GT is within a 10th of a second of the current Camaro SS to 60mph. Can't figure out how it's slow...

With nearly 100 more responsive horses from the 5.0, it's not even going to be close, imo.

 

[arcenite]

I drove a 07? Mustang GT before purchasing a pontiac GTO. I was pretty disappointed with the low end grunt of the Mustang, which is why I got the GTO. Hopefully they get this one right and give it power down low, too.

And yes I know, the GTO is an overweight jellybean ....with a lot of flavor

 

[alkemyst]

I drove a 07? Mustang GT before purchasing a pontiac GTO. I was pretty disappointed with the low end grunt of the Mustang, which is why I got the GTO. Hopefully they get this one right and give it power down low, too.

And yes I know, the GTO is an overweight jellybean ....with a lot of flavor

the Cobra would have been the equal to the GTO, not a GT.

Out of any mustang sold during the GTO years, I'd have favored the GTO though. The mustangs are starting to look better again.

 

[arcenite]

the Cobra would have been the equal to the GTO, not a GT.

Out of any mustang sold during the GTO years, I'd have favored the GTO though. The mustangs are starting to look better again.

I've not had the pleasure of driving a Cobra... I definitely would like to though.

 

[IcePickFreak]

Good to see they're finally moving up to a 6-speed as well. Gearing is a huge variable and if not done properly can lead to light and/or higher hp cars to be slower than a lesser vehicle.

The IRS/Straight-axle argument is getting a bit old as well. I'm not a Ford guy by any means but they've got the old straight-axle nailed down pretty well in the Mustangs. Very interested to see how the '11 performs with a much needed power and transmission upgrade. I read this new 5.0 even sheds a couple hundred pounds over the 4.6 but I have yet to see the actual specs to say for sure.

 

[alkemyst]

The funniest of all things is most that do end up racing usually choose stop light or race track drags. In these a IRS setup is really hard to tame and can even lead to catastrophic failures.

Also most that end up modifying or buying into 'race' prepped handling cars couldn't even handle stock setups at the limits. They buy because they can, not because they need.

I push my car when I find it's the limiting factor then I upgrade. I have had my share of accidents due to this (usually me vs object, not another vehicle / person). If you haven't gone off-road/track or hit something you haven't pushed yourself.

 

[foghorn67]

I push my car when I find it's the limiting factor then I upgrade. I have had my share of accidents due to this (usually me vs object, not another vehicle / person). If you haven't gone off-road/track or hit something you haven't pushed yourself.

Reminds me of that Eddie Cheever Jr. quote.

 

[alkemyst]

Reminds me of that Eddie Cheever Jr. quote.

I usually pick Parnelli Jones

 

[TehMac]

Supposedly, a Boss Engine is rumored for the 2012 lineup.

I just wish they'd fix the look (yet again).

The mustang now looks way too chunky.

 

[DivideBYZero]

The funniest of all things is most that do end up racing usually choose stop light or race track drags. In these a IRS setup is really hard to tame and can even lead to catastrophic failures.

Also most that end up modifying or buying into 'race' prepped handling cars couldn't even handle stock setups at the limits. They buy because they can, not because they need.

I push my car when I find it's the limiting factor then I upgrade. I have had my share of accidents due to this (usually me vs object, not another vehicle / person). If you haven't gone off-road/track or hit something you haven't pushed yourself.

You're like a regular AT Vin Diesel; "If you're not out of control, you're not in control". :awe: