4890, where to go from here?

Rifter

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Ok so i have a 4890, it OC's very well and i am very happy with its performance(unless trying to play crysis maxed out with any AA)

However there is a problem, it has some coil whine, or at least i think its coil whine. It makes a annoying humming sound when in some 3d games, thats the weird part is its only some and the ones where it does make noise with are not even the most demanding. For example Defense grid and Mass Effect 1 make the noise very badly while Crysis or Mass Effect 2 are silent.

I know everyone will say return it, i have spoken to XFX and the short answer is i am not returning it because i will get a crappier card in return. Long answer as follows: They told me they do not and will not have any OC edition 4890's in stock again, i will either get a 4890 NON OC edition card(small chance, say 20%) or a 4870 or 5830(40% chance each). This is unacceptable as i consider any of them to be downgrades, i got a good OC on my 4890 the chances of me repeating that on a non OC edition binned GPU are small at best, and the 4870 is obviously weaker than the 4890. The 5830 would be my best option but they wont say for sure thats what i will get, and while it does about the same average FPS in most games the 4890 almost always has higher minimum framerate, and by 20-30% in most cases. Minimum framerate is just as important if not more so that average FPS, so i would consider a 5830 a small downgrade, it does have DX 11 but i think is too slow to use it anyways.

Also thought i should mention the OC has nothing to do with noise, noise is the same loudness and happens on the same games even when i underclock it to as low as possible.


So this brings me to what do i buy now. Im open to ideas and i want to spend $300 CDN tops, and would prefer not to deal with rebates and buy from NCIX, I dont want to order from the US and have to pay duty and shipping.

Obviously on the ATI side i will have to go 5850 or 5870 for an improvement. Im thinking if i stick ATI i will go for a 5850 and OC the hell out of it.

Whats my options on the Nvidia side, i have not paid much attention lately to them since the 5000 series was launched and Nvidia was no where in sight, i am however willing to go to Nvidia if it is a good thing to do for price/performance at this price point, i have no brand loyalty.
 
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Rifter

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on the Nvidia side for what card? ive been looking over the last few min and it seems the 465 is right in my price range but seems like a crappy card overall, power hungry, runs hot, kind of a crippled 470 and priced to close to the 470 and too far from the 460. The 460 is a much better card for the price it seems but more of a sidegrade from a 4890. I can go up to the 470 but its slightly out of my price range, i can wait for it to go on sale though.
 

Keysplayr

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On the Nvidia side, your only options are 460, 465, 470, 480.
465, 470 and 480 use the GF100 GPU and are power hungry in comparison to the 460 which uses the newer GF104 GPU. Since you are an overclocker, and for a recommendation on the Nvidia cards, I'd go with a 1GB GTX460 if your gaming resolution is above 1680x1050. It's about 8% slower with current drivers than a 5850, and a lot cheaper even in Canada. And reviews show it to be a reliable overclocker and to achieve 800MHz seems to be a piece of cake. This would bring you up to 5850 speeds or even a bit faster for a lot less money. This depends on what NCIX is asking for these cards.

Gigabyte GTX460 1GB for 255 CAD
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=54...cture=Gigabyte

XFX 5850 1GB for 330 CAD
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=51...anufacture=XFX

Found these to be the cheapest of each card on NCIX canada site. Unless I'm searching incorrectly, I just typed GTX 460 and 5850 in the search bar.
 
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Rifter

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yeah the 460 seems to be the Nvidia option to go with. Seems to OC well too. Might jump on a 5850 though, NCIX has them on instore special today for $299. Unless i decide to go Nvidia.
 

bryanW1995

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if it's $45 cheaper for the 460 then that is a no-brainer imho. however, you need to decide if that annoying whine is worth $125 or so to fix with no improvement in performance.
 

Rifter

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yeah, i know, i could just live with it. Its starting to get to me though as i have been living with it for over a year now. The overclocker in me is telling me to grab a 460 and see what i can do with it.
 

Acanthus

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I would wait... I have found no compelling upgrades to my 4890 so im putting my money where my mouth is. :p

GF104 based cards are looking good, if they can bring out a faster one at the sub $300 mark.
 

Qbah

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In the games where your card whines, try to use D3D Overrider and turn on v-sync and triple buffering for your games. It will limit your max FPS to your LCD's refresh rate (usually 60).

I was having the same issue with my current HD5850. The whining shows up when the card displays too much FPS (as crazy as it sounds :p). It was very loud in Crysis for example. Cap it @ 60 and you're good to go.
 

tviceman

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If I were you I would wait. The gtx460 is a great card for $200-225, but even when overclocked you won't exactly get way, way better performance. Overclocked, you're looking at about 20-25% performance improvement across the board. Is that worth the cost of the upgrade in your opinion?

From a 4890, your best option to upgrade is either a gtx470 or hd5870. But, as you said, both are out of your price range....
 

Lord Banshee

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I think it is odd that they recommend getting a gtx460 which seems not that much better than HD4890 but costs the same as one did 6+ months ago?

According to Anandtech's gtx460 review at 1920x1200 res
crysis + 5fps
battleforge +/- 3fps
hawk +15fps
l4d2 +3fps
mass effect2 +/- 3fps
wolfenstein +8fps


with the exception of hawk and wolfenstein you get very small gains.. I now for something like crysis that 5fps is like 20% increase, but when it comes down to it... would running at 33fps feel any different than 28fps, i think not.

I agree with tviceman, the best upgrade path would be gtx470 (or better) or hd5870 (or better). Personally having the same card i plan on waiting for next generation as this generation does not have a nice performance boost without paying too much.
 

SlowSpyder

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I think it is odd that they recommend getting a gtx460 which seems not that much better than HD4890 but costs the same as one did 6+ months ago?

According to Anandtech's gtx460 review at 1920x1200 res
crysis + 5fps
battleforge +/- 3fps
hawk +15fps
l4d2 +3fps
mass effect2 +/- 3fps
wolfenstein +8fps


with the exception of hawk and wolfenstein you get very small gains.. I now for something like crysis that 5fps is like 20% increase, but when it comes down to it... would running at 33fps feel any different than 28fps, i think not.

I agree with tviceman, the best upgrade path would be gtx470 (or better) or hd5870 (or better). Personally having the same card i plan on waiting for next generation as this generation does not have a nice performance boost without paying too much.

I was going to post this more or less. While the 460 is an upgrade, it's not a very sizable one. The card is cheap-ish, and faster than the 4890. But this is a case where you may want to buy a little more card, OP. A 4890 at 1GHz is no slouch, you'll probably need to get a pretty fast part to make the upgrade feel worth it.
 

Powermoloch

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Your 4890 is still good even if your're gonna get a replacement downgrade. What you could do is sell the replacement to offset the price of a 5850 :)
 

Nintendesert

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Take the money and save it and keep tossing a little more into it when you can and buy the next gen cards that'll actually give you an increase in performance and not be a sidegrade.
 

netxzero64

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Take the money and save it and keep tossing a little more into it when you can and buy the next gen cards that'll actually give you an increase in performance and not be a sidegrade.
more power to this... 4890 is still a very capable card, mine can still play games at max... better still wait for the next gen cards for you to have a REAL upgrade...
 

Will Robinson

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Stick with the 4890 for a few more months then grab the $300 version of the new SI cards.
That will be a decent upgrade.
 

Rifter

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ok guys you convinced me, ive lived with it for over a year i guess i can live with it for a few months.

On the Nvidia side is there going to be more higher end cards with the 460(GF104) GPU or only slower cards? Should i be waiting for price drops in the 5000 series or nvidias new GPU's?
 

Acanthus

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ok guys you convinced me, ive lived with it for over a year i guess i can live with it for a few months.

On the Nvidia side is there going to be more higher end cards with the 460(GF104) GPU or only slower cards? Should i be waiting for price drops in the 5000 series or nvidias new GPU's?

Both teams have a lot on the way before Xmas.
 

netxzero64

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ok guys you convinced me, ive lived with it for over a year i guess i can live with it for a few months.

On the Nvidia side is there going to be more higher end cards with the 460(GF104) GPU or only slower cards? Should i be waiting for price drops in the 5000 series or nvidias new GPU's?
patience is a virtue... lets wait for SI and from there you can make a stand on what to choose...
 

SlowSpyder

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ok guys you convinced me, ive lived with it for over a year i guess i can live with it for a few months.

On the Nvidia side is there going to be more higher end cards with the 460(GF104) GPU or only slower cards? Should i be waiting for price drops in the 5000 series or nvidias new GPU's?

Rumor is Nvidia is working on a dual GPU card (maybe two 460 GPU's). But I *think* that's all they have coming in the near future that's faster. I think the rest of the lower end line of Fermi's is on the way. I haven't heard much else about anything they have coming in the near future, but that's not to say there isn't anything. I just haven't seen anything mentioned.

AMD is working on getting out SI. But, I've heard anything from a minor tweak and maybe 10% more performance to a major overhaul and 50%+ more performance. So who knows. I'm usually not one to wait too long, but if you are comfortable with the 4890 you have now, than it probably makes sense to hold off for a little bit and see what comes out.
 

Rifter

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yeah, guess i will wait till 6000 series hits, even if it is not worth it for price performance it will drive current ATI and Nvidia prices down.