44Minutes on FX at 8pm EST. - bankrobbery gone wrong

[Entity]

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: notfred
What' wrong with people saying "machinegun". I'm not watching it, but what percent of southern californians do you think would refer to an M-16 or AK-47 as a machinegun? I'd bet at least half.

And that half would be wrong.

If something's incorrect, you should strive to correct it.

Just like clips. Almost no gun has used a "clip" for decades. They're called magazines. If that's too many syllabels, say "mags," but DON'T say clips. This isn't an M1 Garand.

Shouldn't a made-for-TV movie like this strive for situational accuracy, and not technical accuracy, though? It isn't the Discovery channel or TLC.

Rob

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: notfred
What' wrong with people saying "machinegun". I'm not watching it, but what percent of southern californians do you think would refer to an M-16 or AK-47 as a machinegun? I'd bet at least half.

And that half would be wrong.

If something's incorrect, you should strive to correct it.

Just like clips. Almost no gun has used a "clip" for decades. They're called magazines. If that's too many syllabels, say "mags," but DON'T say clips. This isn't an M1 Garand.

Shouldn't a made-for-TV movie like this strive for situational accuracy, and not technical accuracy, though? It isn't the Discovery channel or TLC.

Rob

If you're gonna be accurate, do it all the way.

I'm impressed with how realistic they portaryed the shootoffs. One would think they had a technical advisor on that sort of thing - And if they'd let that same technical advisor look at the script, he'd have pointed out the "machinegun" inaccuriacies off the bat.

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: notfred
What' wrong with people saying "machinegun". I'm not watching it, but what percent of southern californians do you think would refer to an M-16 or AK-47 as a machinegun? I'd bet at least half.

And that half would be wrong.

If something's incorrect, you should strive to correct it.

Just like clips. Almost no gun has used a "clip" for decades. They're called magazines. If that's too many syllabels, say "mags," but DON'T say clips. This isn't an M1 Garand.

Shouldn't a made-for-TV movie like this strive for situational accuracy, and not technical accuracy, though? It isn't the Discovery channel or TLC.

Rob

If you're gonna be accurate, do it all the way.

I'm impressed with how realistic they portaryed the shootoffs. One would think they had a technical advisor on that sort of thing - And if they'd let that same technical advisor look at the script, he'd have pointed out the "machinegun" inaccuriacies off the bat.

Yeah, I'm just pointing out that you have to go for realism as much as accuracy sometimes -- and as notfred pointed out, what do you actually think people would have said?

That's a geniune question, BTW. I don't know enough about guns and would've called an AK a machinegun as well.

Rob

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: notfred
What' wrong with people saying "machinegun". I'm not watching it, but what percent of southern californians do you think would refer to an M-16 or AK-47 as a machinegun? I'd bet at least half.

Next time you complain about people saying really dumb things about cars and how they work, remember ^^^

EDIT: when you see a Civic with a .25hp shot of nitrous beat a 'Vette with a SC in the quarter mile in "2 fast 2 furious", I guess you wont complain, because, hey, half of all people think a NOS sticker and an empty scuba tank in the trunk turns your car into a 800 horsepower monster

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: MachFive
Ah Christ:

Officer (in the gun shop): I can't believe they just let people buy these.

IF PEOPLE COULDN'T JUST BUY THEM, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THEM, RETARD.

Too bad the shop didnt have anything like, say, an AR-50 or something from Barrett's fine line of 50BMG rifles. Body armor, no body armor... it doesnt matter. Of course, the cops probably couldnt hit them with it, but...

Well, tough shitzskies for the officers if they need .50 cals now. Barrett refuses to sell his rifles to LA police/sheriff departments anymore. There was a discussion by one of the chiefs about the .50 cal and was using one of his rifles to demonstrate. He wrote the counties and cities in the areas telling them to kiss his ass and that he would no longer service the rifles they had purchased from him, and not sell them to departments anymore. Go Barrett!

And as weird as it may sound, there are National Match grade AKs.

 

[RyanM]

This is my beef:

A lot of people think guns are evil. And those people generally agree that the bigger a gun is, and the faster it shoots, the more evil it is.

Machinegun is perhaps the most evil a gun can be, without going into explosive and incendiary launchers.

When people think "machine gun", the think of an M60 or a 50 cal mounted on a turret on a military vehicle, firing thousands of rounds and tearing its targets to shreds.

An AK47 is not that. Even with the round mags, you're looking at 50 to 100 rounds, at 600 rounds per minute, of 7.62x38mm - One of the smallest rifle rounds out there.

Deadly? Sure. But it's not a machine gun. It's a rifle. It's not an assault rifle either, because there is no such thing as an assault rifle. "Assault rifle" is an arbitrary definition of weapons which has nothing to do with firepower, mostly useability.

By labeling an AK47 a "machine gun," or an "assault rifle," you're making it sound scarier than it actually is. You're perpetuating that "guns are evil" stereotype, even though, not only is it not any of those, it's also not evil.

</incoherent rant>

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: MachFive
Ah Christ:

Officer (in the gun shop): I can't believe they just let people buy these.

IF PEOPLE COULDN'T JUST BUY THEM, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THEM, RETARD.

Too bad the shop didnt have anything like, say, an AR-50 or something from Barrett's fine line of 50BMG rifles. Body armor, no body armor... it doesnt matter. Of course, the cops probably couldnt hit them with it, but...

Well, tough shitzskies for the officers if they need .50 cals now. Barrett refuses to sell his rifles to LA police/sheriff departments anymore. There was a discussion by one of the chiefs about the .50 cal and was using one of his rifles to demonstrate. He wrote the counties and cities in the areas telling them to kiss his ass and that he would no longer service the rifles they had purchased from him, and not sell them to departments anymore. Go Barrett!

And as weird as it may sound, there are National Match grade AKs.

What was he demonstrating? And is the letter he wrote anywhere online?

There are other people making rifles in 50BMG (MacMillin [sic], for example). Plus there are rifles in 338 Lapua Mag, which should punch right on through. And, lets not forget, one 22LR round in the head/neck could put someone in armor like that in the movie down.

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: SyahM
it's awesome! one of the best shootout movie i've ever seen, of course Heat and Ronin top my chart

yeah - and i saw that shiz LIVE!!

thanks goodness no bystanders or cops died.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: MachFive
This is my beef:

A lot of people think guns are evil. And those people generally agree that the bigger a gun is, and the faster it shoots, the more evil it is.

Machinegun is perhaps the most evil a gun can be, without going into explosive and incendiary launchers.

When people think "machine gun", the think of an M60 or a 50 cal mounted on a turret on a military vehicle, firing thousands of rounds and tearing its targets to shreds.

An AK47 is not that. Even with the round mags, you're looking at 50 to 100 rounds, at 600 rounds per minute, of 7.62x38mm - One of the smallest rifle rounds out there.

Deadly? Sure. But it's not a machine gun. It's a rifle. It's not an assault rifle either, because there is no such thing as an assault rifle. "Assault rifle" is an arbitrary definition of weapons which has nothing to do with firepower, mostly useability.

By labeling an AK47 a "machine gun," or an "assault rifle," you're making it sound scarier than it actually is. You're perpetuating that "guns are evil" stereotype, even though, not only is it not any of those, it's also not evil.

</incoherent rant>

Amen, except its 7.62 x 39mm

 

[silverpig]

Call up the Canadian snipers... They could have taken out them bank robbers from their igloos.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

His letter

He made it all professional

He shoulda torn into them

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: MachFive
This is my beef:

A lot of people think guns are evil. And those people generally agree that the bigger a gun is, and the faster it shoots, the more evil it is.

Machinegun is perhaps the most evil a gun can be, without going into explosive and incendiary launchers.

When people think "machine gun", the think of an M60 or a 50 cal mounted on a turret on a military vehicle, firing thousands of rounds and tearing its targets to shreds.

An AK47 is not that. Even with the round mags, you're looking at 50 to 100 rounds, at 600 rounds per minute, of 7.62x38mm - One of the smallest rifle rounds out there.

Deadly? Sure. But it's not a machine gun. It's a rifle. It's not an assault rifle either, because there is no such thing as an assault rifle. "Assault rifle" is an arbitrary definition of weapons which has nothing to do with firepower, mostly useability.

By labeling an AK47 a "machine gun," or an "assault rifle," you're making it sound scarier than it actually is. You're perpetuating that "guns are evil" stereotype, even though, not only is it not any of those, it's also not evil.

</incoherent rant>

Amen, except its 7.62 x 39mm

Silly typos. Thanks for picking it up though. I missed it during my first read-through.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
His letter

He made it all professional

He shoulda torn into them

He should also have taken he sweet time servicing that rifle... say, 5 minutes per month

 

[sohcrates]

just watched this , caught it randomly channel surfing

i thought there were 3 robbers? they cops were calling in a guy left inside the bank, but he disappeared? there were just 2 of them? i thought i saw at least 3-4 guys in black masks in the bank?

maybe i'm confused ,

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: sohcrates
just watched this , caught it randomly channel surfing

i thought there were 3 robbers? they cops were calling in a guy left inside the bank, but he disappeared? there were just 2 of them? i thought i saw at least 3-4 guys in black masks in the bank?

maybe i'm confused ,

There were only two bank robbers sohcrates

 

[Entity]

Just watched the first ~2minutes of the movie. I can see why the "machine gun" stuff is bothering ya.

Rob

 

[Tot]

I think its alittle exaggerated. Its for the wow effect. But seems like its not enuff for people here coz they are "knowlegeble"
And hence no amount of BS can get pass them even when the BS comes from a lions mouth ready to eat them.

Anyway, seems like most here are looking forward to a sequel where they really meant machine guns. Maybe like those on the A-10 Waghog.

 

[NokiaDude]

HOLY CRAP!!!!! AK-47's!!! THEY"RE PACKING SERIOUS HEAT!! OMG, I wonder how many people died? I'm watching it as I speak!

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: Tot
I think its alittle exaggerated. Its for the wow effect. But seems like its not enuff for people here coz they are "knowlegeble"
And hence no amount of BS can get pass them even when the BS comes from a lions mouth ready to eat them.

Anyway, seems like most here are looking forward to a sequel where they really meant machine guns. Maybe like those on the A-10 Waghog.

I agree, I think some members here expected a film version of MOH!

BTW, Why am I the only one who noticed that there is a pink Firebird in the lot and not a single bullet hit it

 

[NokiaDude]

I thought is was a good movie. The commercial breaks kinda sucked but the movie was pretty good. I wished they aired it commercial free.

 

[Passions]

Some things I don't understand:

1. Why didn't they take a hostage or two? If they grabbed a hostage, I highly doubt any cop would have fired at them.

2. Towards the end, they just cruise in a car at a very slow crawl, shouldn't they just have both hopped in and made a run for it?


Man those guys were seriously crazy!!!!!

 

[RyanM]

I think they weren't "thinking," because last I remember, they were hopped up on drugs. PCP, if my memory serves me. But I might have read incorrectly.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: MachFive
I think they weren't "thinking," because last I remember, they were hopped up on drugs. PCP, if my memory serves me. But I might have read incorrectly.

Yes, people who dont have viable get-away plans usually arent too good in the "brains" dept.