44Minutes on FX at 8pm EST. - bankrobbery gone wrong

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: Joony
Maybe an AK47 would be better classified as an Automatic rifle

Aye, but then you get into the arguement of battle rifle, assault rifle, carbines, etc

The conductor done derailed this thread

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: X-Man
"bankrobbery gone wrong"

I'd hate to see what you call a bank robbery gone right.

"an AK-47 is not a fscking machine gun!"

Umm . . . what would you call it then? An assault rifle? The term machine gun is used generally to refer to any fully-automatic weapon.

so, this is a machine gun? An AKM is a fully automatic rifle, not a machine gun. A machine gun is made for higher rates of sustained fire, tends to be belt fed, heavier barrel to handle the extra heat (higher rate of fire = more powder burnt = more heat), etc.

No it's a machine pistol or submachine gun, by definition any full-automatic weapon that fires pistol cartridges.

See, a weapon that goes "boom" more than once after one trigger pull is not necessarily a machinegun. Now, if we were talking about, say, an RPK, there would be more room for arguement, but an AK47 is considered an automatic rifle, not a machinegun

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: Joony
Maybe an AK47 would be better classified as an Automatic rifle

Aye, but then you get into the arguement of battle rifle, assault rifle, carbines, etc

The conductor done derailed this thread

thats why I'm just leaving it at "automatic rifle"

and I do believe I started the hijacking

 

[rh71]

Is it too much to ask trained police officers to make a headshot? Is it really that hard ?

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: rh71
Is it really that hard ?

Yes.

 

[Mookow]

I laughed at the part where the cops figure out they have to shoot for the head, mainly b/c most cops I've met couldn't score a headshot using their entire clip at 50' at the range, where you are shooting at a piece of paper that doesnt shot back. The pucker factor doesnt help accuracy...

 

[MikeMike]

i think i am wrong, but wasnt the only place they DIDNT have armor was on their feet?

and if you have ever shot a pistol, it is VERY hard to hit a small target, such as the head, the body is the main area they aim for because it is a much larger area, and easier to hit a "vital" organ, while i have never fired at a moving, returning fire, target, or been trained, i have shot a .45 and a .223 (LOUD), and a .22 pistol, and they are very hard, a .223 rifle isnt as hard.

MIKE

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: rh71
Is it too much to ask trained police officers to make a headshot? Is it really that hard ?

Its fairly hard even before you add the pucker factor

Edit: IMO, for people that carry guns around daily, cops as a whole do not practice with their firearms NEARLY enough, if it all.

 

[jurzdevil]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: rh71
Is it too much to ask trained police officers to make a headshot? Is it really that hard ?

Its fairly hard even before you add the pucker factor

Edit: IMO, for people that carry guns around daily, cops as a whole do not practice with their firearms NEARLY enough, if it all.

but figure 25-30 cops emtying their guns at the two could at least get one head shot in.

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: eLiTeGoodGuy1
the guy from Office Space is on it

Bahahah, just a second ago he was stuck in traffic!

 

[Zim Hosein]

Pink Firebird?

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: jurzdevil

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: rh71
Is it too much to ask trained police officers to make a headshot? Is it really that hard ?

Its fairly hard even before you add the pucker factor

Edit: IMO, for people that carry guns around daily, cops as a whole do not practice with their firearms NEARLY enough, if it all.

but figure 25-30 cops emtying their guns at the two could at least get one head shot in.

Exactly what I was getting at.

 

[RyanM]

For a second there, I thought that the Detective, during his monologue, was going to go off on an anti-gun rant.

I mean, all it would've taken is one of the citizens in the area to be proficient with an AR15 and he coulda taken them out from 200 yards. ;-)

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: jurzdevil

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: rh71
Is it too much to ask trained police officers to make a headshot? Is it really that hard ?

Its fairly hard even before you add the pucker factor

Edit: IMO, for people that carry guns around daily, cops as a whole do not practice with their firearms NEARLY enough, if it all.

but figure 25-30 cops emtying their guns at the two could at least get one head shot in.

You might get a hit on the range with this set up (range, angle, etc), but people tend to think rounds downrange = good, so more rounds = better. In this scenario, 2 hits is all you need, but its hard to pace yourself and aim the shots

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

I hope this comes out on DVD or they show it a few more times...it's actually pretty good imo.

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: jurzdevil

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: rh71
Is it too much to ask trained police officers to make a headshot? Is it really that hard ?

Its fairly hard even before you add the pucker factor

Edit: IMO, for people that carry guns around daily, cops as a whole do not practice with their firearms NEARLY enough, if it all.

but figure 25-30 cops emtying their guns at the two could at least get one head shot in.

You might get a hit on the range with this set up (range, angle, etc), but people tend to think rounds downrange = good, so more rounds = better. In this scenario, 2 hits is all you need, but its hard to pace yourself and aim the shots

Yeah you also have to figure in nervousness....wouldn't you be a little shaky if two guys with AK-47s were unloading all around you?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: MachFive
For a second there, I thought that the Detective, during his monologue, was going to go off on an anti-gun rant.

I mean, all it would've taken is one of the citizens in the area to be proficient with an AR15 and he coulda taken them out from 200 yards. ;-)

I was thinking about it... if you were, say, on the way home from the range with your deer rifle, and you picked the guys off without talking to the cops before hand, what would happen to you?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: jurzdevil

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: rh71
Is it too much to ask trained police officers to make a headshot? Is it really that hard ?

Its fairly hard even before you add the pucker factor

Edit: IMO, for people that carry guns around daily, cops as a whole do not practice with their firearms NEARLY enough, if it all.

but figure 25-30 cops emtying their guns at the two could at least get one head shot in.

You might get a hit on the range with this set up (range, angle, etc), but people tend to think rounds downrange = good, so more rounds = better. In this scenario, 2 hits is all you need, but its hard to pace yourself and aim the shots

Yeah you also have to figure in nervousness....wouldn't you be a little shaky if two guys with AK-47s were unloading all around you?

Thats my point, under ideal conditions (no risk to yourself or others), the police might be able to do it. People shooting at your with automatic rifles != ideal conditions

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
I hope this comes out on DVD or they show it a few more times...it's actually pretty good imo.

It's going to be showing quite a few times -->
Full Schedule

 

[Mookow]

I never knew they were packing G3 rifles, too

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
I hope this comes out on DVD or they show it a few more times...it's actually pretty good imo.

It's going to be showing quite a few times -->
Full Schedule

Wow, its on again tonight Thanks.

 

[RyanM]

Ah Christ:

Officer (in the gun shop): I can't believe they just let people buy these.

IF PEOPLE COULDN'T JUST BUY THEM, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THEM, RETARD.

 

[MikeMike]

machfive, its called the black market!!!


MIKE

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: MachFive
Ah Christ:

Officer (in the gun shop): I can't believe they just let people buy these.

IF PEOPLE COULDN'T JUST BUY THEM, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THEM, RETARD.

Too bad the shop didnt have anything like, say, an AR-50 or something from Barrett's fine line of 50BMG rifles. Body armor, no body armor... it doesnt matter. Of course, the cops probably couldnt hit them with it, but...

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
machfive, its called the black market!!!


MIKE

You're not getting.

If the gun shop didn't have assault rifles, the COPS wouldn't have been able to get their hands on any.

The lack of gun shops sure as hell wouldn't have stoppped the gunman from finding guns.