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DAPUNISHER said:
A good number of $599 models available on Newegg. https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709 601408877

@maddie

In this tweet discussion about Mind Factory sales, the user Nike7230 cites the same thing I have about AMD v. Nvidia for the Steam survey. Taken with the info about how AMD sits at 30-40% in sales at MF for years. But has been in the 50-60s the last couple of months, AMD cards not having a bigger representation in the survey is damned fishy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646163566309830656
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I'm actually thinking of seeing how best to and what data points are needed for analyzing this. The math and data needed might be a lot less than we think.
 
rUmX said:
I've been using Steam since the beta with what was it CS 1.6? And I've never even seen the survey pop up.
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Do me a favor if you are on a system with Steam right now, or when you get home. Open the Run box and type the command - steam://takesurvey/2/

See if it completes sending the system info. Mine never finishes and I have to cancel.
 
maddie said:
I'm actually thinking of seeing how best to and what data points are needed for analyzing this. The math and data needed might be a lot less than we think.
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That'd be great. I was going to let sleeping dogs lie. But seeing others having the same experience I am where only their Nvidia system wants to submit the survey, is one of those things that makes you go hmmmm . Probably nothing, but I never underestimate the level of shenanigans companies will sink to either. Particularly when they are easily explained away if outed. "Sorry, it was a bug." 😉

Of course I know it -

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maddie said:
Ever heard of GIGO?

Your starting assumption is that this is really random. Well anecdotal experience seems to have questions. A statistical analysis will be able to say with high confidence if Steam is really random.

Regarding Jon Peddie, read the recent Intel sales numbers retraction and see how one should not use the appeal to authority argument . Works on most though, I guess.
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Ever hear of Confirmation Bias. Because you are exhibiting textbook example.

If we were only talking about 1 quarter you would have an argument. But we have many years of consistent Steam Survey and Jon Peddie and other analysts all in agreement. Jon Peddie retracting one quarters mistake is clear that there is feedback in their system when it goes wrong. But there isn't a history or retractions, in previous years of results.

Basically we have MANY years of correlating results from multiple analysts and Steam, and some of you think the results aren't valid, because you don't like what they say and are latching on to one retail chain in Germany as your counter claim...
 
guidryp said:
Ever hear of Confirmation Bias. Because you are exhibiting textbook example.

If we were only talking about 1 quarter you would have an argument. But we have many years of consistent Steam Survey and Jon Peddie and other analysts all in agreement. Jon Peddie retracting one quarters mistake is clear that there is feedback in their system when it goes wrong. But there isn't a history or retractions, in previous years of results.

Basically we have MANY years of correlating results from multiple analysts and Steam, and some of you think the results aren't valid, because you don't like what they say and are latching on to one retail chain in Germany as your counter claim...
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Confirmation bias? Seriously, think slower before accusing. As the Latins said "Festina Lente"

This is what I wrote

"Concerning the survey, I think there's enough users here of both graphic card vendors to do a statistical analysis aimed at determining if it really is a random survey. Might be a great forum project.

Zero out of eight vs two out of three strongly suggests to me an anomaly if truly supposed to be random."

To simplify, this says that I'm willing to explore the possibility of deterministic elements affecting the result.

Where do you see I say it's wrong?
 
DAPUNISHER said:
Do me a favor if you are on a system with Steam right now, or when you get home. Open the Run box and type the command - steam://takesurvey/2/

See if it completes sending the system info. Mine never finishes and I have to cancel.
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Thats what happens with me. I'm not convinced its an AMD/Nvidia thing though. I only just upgraded from a GTX1080 and I cant recall the survey ever happening with that either. I just think that the survey is just broken, I'm not sure there is any bias to it.
 
WelshBloke said:
Thats what happens with me. I'm not convinced its an AMD/Nvidia thing though. I only just upgraded from a GTX1080 and I cant recall the survey ever happening with that either. I just think that the survey is just broken, I'm not sure there is any bias to it.
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Even it it isn't nerfed, that's what the excuse would be. 🤫

Being serious; Your reply is closer to Occam's Razor. I have a 1080, I am going to slap it in a testbed, install win 10 pro, and see if the survey comes up. Another hypothesis is that after a certain number of steam installs from the same I.P. it stops asking. The laptop with the 1050ti did not ask, so the 1080 build should shine more light on if that is the case.

On topic: Pedro is hustling that 4070 a little too hard. Bad Pedro! 😛

 
DAPUNISHER said:
That'd be great. I was going to let sleeping dogs lie. But seeing others having the same experience I am where only their Nvidia system wants to submit the survey, is one of those things that makes you go hmmmm . Probably nothing, but I never underestimate the level of shenanigans companies will sink to either. Particularly when they are easily explained away if outed. "Sorry, it was a bug." 😉

Of course I know it -

crazy-seems-a-little-crazy.gif
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Purely anecdotal on my part, but Steam asks me about every 2 years to take the survey, and most of those times I had AMD hardware. I've probably taken it about 7-8 times now, with maybe 1-2 of those times being with an Nvidia card.
 
fleshconsumed said:
nvidia is really going all out on 4070 marketing. I've never seen so many 0 day reviews from dinky youtube channels with less than 50K subscribers...
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This is the 4070's time to shine... Come all ye' Pascal and Turing faithful, now is the time!

(Before AMD responds and we have to will consider adjusting prices!)

The massive overall PC slump might mean the retail channel actually matters a little more to cover OEM volume shortfalls. Who knows.
 
Steam survey isn't useful for reasons that have been discussed to death a million times over. It's unlikely for it to be wrong in a way that actual results are the opposite of what it suggests, but any paper that tried to cite it ought to spend multiple paragraphs explaining all of the reasons why conclusions made from that data are not valid.

Extrapolation from MindFactory isn't any better. It captures only one part of the market and is local to one country, which historically has leaned AMD (due to them having fabs in Dresden back in the day). Relative changes aren't useful without knowing how total sales have changed. The numbers look the same if people have stopped buying Nvidia GPUs and not a single additional AMD GPU has been sold.

There are a variety of other reasons why trying to compare these against each other is even more stupid, but it doesn't really matter. Arguing as though one or the other must clearly be better is about like fighting over which of two people who hooked up with their own sister had a prettier girl.
 
Looking at the NE page for 4070, seeing the MSI ventus models both at $599. 3 fan models with no apparent rgb, one with an OC in the name, the other not. Both the same price. Perhaps the rumors that Nvidia is subsidizing card makers for a bit is true. The MSI card with rgb is $649. Others hover around $679 and $669.

I do enjoy the OW2 ultimate battle pass offer. That is the best these companies could get for a freebie incentive? Thats $30 in value.
 
Doesn't look like gamers really give a crap. Used to be on a 70 series launch they'd be sold out in seconds, even the overbuilt cards sold way over MSRP. But right now hours after launch I see nine MSRP models in stock at newegg. Then again used to be new 70 series launches would give you big gains in price to performance where you'd get near previous gen flagship performance for way cheaper. This time you get 5% lower than 3080 performance for 15% less than 3080, though you get 2GB more VRAM at least. Still not something that's going to excite people with good enough hardware to last another generation. 4070 Ti was the kind of gpu that would have normally occupied the 70 slot in the past.
 
Ranulf said:
Looking at the NE page for 4070, seeing the MSI ventus models both at $599. 3 fan models with no apparent rgb, one with an OC in the name, the other not. Both the same price. Perhaps the rumors that Nvidia is subsidizing card makers for a bit is true.
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That requires a bit more evidence. Most evidence points the other way where NVidia is putting the screws to the AIB partners, with EVGA basically quitting the market over the soured relationship.

There have always been cards that are required to hit the MSRP targets. In turn the companies also get to make their own custom factory-OC, extra fan, RGB acid trip, extra power pin deluxe models above MSRP.

It's entirely possible that there's low (effectively no) margin on the MSRP cards, but that's the price of being able to sell the custom cards where you can make the money.
 
It'll be interesting to see. Here in Canada there's good stock of cheap MSRP models like the Asus Dual or GB Windforce at CAD809, which is almost straight conversion to US$600. Better models are way more though, the TUF is $930 at 3 different larger retailers, so who knows what a Strix will end up going for. People say Nvidia is really pushing for MSRP and even the reaction is mixed at best, so I guess we'll see whether cheap stock will dry up and the top models are all that's available like Ampere, or better cards drift down when they don't move.

I can't imagine someone paying $700 for a Strix 4070, but people do crazy things.
 
SteveGrabowski said:
Doesn't look like gamers really give a crap.
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Maybe. Or maybe judging by how many review samples are out there; there is crazy good supply. More evidence for that hypothesis is how many different models are available. It's a pretty big day one selection.

What isn't in doubt is that it's too early to tell yet. Nor can we judge by historic metrics. Accept it or not, the timeline went wacky a few years ago. The following expression has never been more accurate - That was then, this is now.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
Maybe. Or maybe judging by how many review samples are out there; there is crazy good supply. More evidence for that hypothesis is how many different models are available. It's a pretty big day one selection.

What isn't in doubt is that it's too early to tell yet. Nor can we judge by historic metrics. Accept it or not, the timeline went wacky a few years ago. The following expression has never been more accurate - That was then, this is now.
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Based on my own graphics card buying going back to when they became available to the masses it's come down o high prices and last gen looking more palatable and tech stacks like dlss3 not managing to lock even the most anal gamers into buying into 40 series.this and jh being a prick by overcharging and getting amd to pile onto their own msrp by association is fueling the slow growth imo.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the Strix cost $800+ considering some Asus 4070Ti cards are over $1000. Absolutely crazy. They charge huge markups for the Asus name, but on benchmark charts their cards are like 4% faster than stock yet they charge like 30% more, lol. I wonder if gamers will go back to being sane and buying based on actual value.
The 4070 should be called a 4060 and cost $299 and the Strix 4060 should be around $350 max. I still have a 1080Ti and want an upgrade (sort of) but I'm not going for ANY of this garbage. Not happening.
Also, plenty of MSRP 4070s in stock right now on the Egg. It's been hours and would normally take an act of ALMIGHTY GOD to keep them in stock more than 5 minutes.
 
A/// said:
Based on my own graphics card buying going back to when they became available to the masses it's come down o high prices and last gen looking more palatable and tech stacks like dlss3 not managing to lock even the most anal gamers into buying into 40 series.this and jh being a prick by overcharging and getting amd to pile onto their own msrp by association is fueling the slow growth imo.
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Good a guess as any. I have to remind myself that we are in a market contraction we haven't seen in a long time. That will play its part. I think it was savvy to release it now regardless. Ali nailed it with his review IMO. I will start it where the 3070 is nerfing Sarah's hair in Last of Us when the 2070 isn't for some reason. Maybe just run to run variance with how the frame buffer overflows and restarting can get textures to load in this game.


 
DAPUNISHER said:
Good a guess as any. I have to remind myself that we are in a market contraction we haven't seen in a long time. That will play its part. I think it was savvy to release it now regardless. Ali nailed it with his review IMO. I will start it where the 3070 is nerfing Sarah's hair in Last of Us when the 2070 isn't for some reason. Maybe just run to run variance with how the frame buffer overflows and restarting can get textures to load in this game.


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idk who ali is but the last marekt contraction was in 20010 - 2011 and those spanned an nvidia refresh of 8000, gtx 400 and gtx 500 series. idr pricing being too bad then because everything was cheaper. amd was hot on nvidia's tail back then and then bitcoin began a near decade long tail spin of pricing, availability and people fetishizing alternative currencies.
 
Jaskalas said:
12GB is now the entry level for no compromise 1080p.
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And here I am with my 290x and 4 gb ram at 1080p. (but older games). still reducing settings with amlost no visual effect usually make so much sense. 4070 is for sure a 1440p card and not 1080p. here the "no bad prodcut but bad pricing" applies.
 
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