You think this tread calling the 4070 a reasonable card that nobody gets excited about is good for laughs?!
A little different now that the gains in price to performance are tiny when 970, 1070, and even 3070 were enormous gains. Though at least this one has sufficient VRAM to be ok for 1440p for a while as long as you don't crank up RT.
If I had to choose today between the 4070 and 6800XT, the lower power consumption of the 4070 would carry a lot of weight. If I'm fine with not having RT on 6800XT then I'm fine with not having RT on 4070 either if that means compensating for the lower VRAM buffer.
Pretty much the way I look at it.
I'm going to guess most people will only play couple of hours a day at the most, so higher power consumption on 6800XT at load is not much of an issue. Honestly, I have serious doubts about 12GB longevity, as such I'd go with 6800XT.
Ehhh, I wouldn't trust Steam hardware numbers as evidence that 12 GB is now the magic number. If I'm not mistaken, internet cafes can show up on that chart, which if true means that RTX 3060 spike in popularity doesn't correlate with consumer tastes.
I have my own issues with the survey. Anecdotally, it hasn't ask me to submit it on an AMD build in the last 8 or more tries. On Nvidia builds I am now 2 for 3. As I have joked before, it's enough to put on my tinfoil hat.
I don't see that at all. People were falling all over themselves to buy the 970, and rightfully so as it was a really nice card for $330 even with the half a GB of gimped VRAM we didn't learn about until ~6 months later. And it came with Far Cry 4 either at launch or only a couple of months later. I don't see anyone very excited about the 4070. I think it would take 4070 Ti for sub $500 today to generate the kind of excitement the 970 did in PC gamers in 2014.
Ain't about excitement. Again, only time will tell. I am going with current market conditions which only exist because of 2yrs of absolute madness. The information level and proclivities of the average GPU shopper. And the features that are shoved down their throats, or those of whomever is advising them on their purchase. DLSS, ray tracing, frame generation, broadcast, NVENC, etc. For me, it all adds up to Nvidia doing the market research and executing on the timing the way they have for a long time now. No matter what smack everyone talks, the cards sell. I never seen more push back from gamers than the 20 series, it still sold great, and crushed AMD sales yeah?
Yeah, that's why Steam HW survey is hit or miss.
Crushing AMD is different from selling great though. I remember the 970 being hard to find for like three months after launch and they were still wildly popular until the 1070 announcement. 4070 at $600 (or if that's a fake MSRP and AIB 4070 are really $650) is going to be a hard sell and isn't going to motivate people to upgrade if they're not on really outdated cards already.
When there are 2 vendors and one is getting 3 of 4 sales or more, the rest is semantics. If the market contracts you are still making most of the money to be made. If it expands, you proft far more than your competitor does. I am not interested in manipulating statistics to say what I want, or any of that jazz. I am simply prognosticating based on precedence, and consumer behavior, that the 4070 is going to be the sweet spot this gen. I have you on record as disagreeing. Like I said, I'll be happy to be wrong, Time will tell.
Precisely. They do the market research. They have an effective strategy. Most importantly they have indoctrinated a large segment of PC gamers already. Winning the information war has paid big dividends for them. Unless gamers punish them for charging the "Nvidia tax" and planned obsolescence, the vicious cycle will continue.
