40 hr work week.

[JellyBaby]

CkG, cool but realize your man isn't doing it and our elected officials in Congress are thinking more about their next self-appointed raise. That's not cool.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
CkG, cool but realize your man isn't doing it and our elected officials in Congress are thinking more about their next self-appointed raise. That's not cool.

And? You want me to rant and rave about it? OK.

OMFG!!!! Bush is a DISASTER!!! HE IS DESTROYING OUR MIDDLE CLASS BY SHIPPING OUR JOBS OVERSEAS!!!! WHAAAAAA!!!!

Happy???

CkG

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
CkG, cool but realize your man isn't doing it and our elected officials in Congress are thinking more about their next self-appointed raise. That's not cool.

Maybe we should just outsource the folks in DC.

 

[JellyBaby]

CkG, by devolving every honest argument into a "me vs. you" scenario or "Bush vs. the world" scenario you completely shut your mind off to the issues of discussion. The facts lead me to believe he is in favor of moving jobs overseas. Whether or not that ultimately aids in destroying our middle class remains to be seen.

Maybe we should just outsource the folks in DC.

No, they're our gangsters. We just need to make them understand that when they make a hit, their Tommy Guns often wound innocent civilians.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
CkG, by devolving every honest argument into a "me vs. you" scenario or "Bush vs. the world" scenario you completely shut your mind off to the issues of discussion. The facts lead me to believe he is in favor of moving jobs overseas. Whether or not that ultimately aids in destroying our middle class remains to be seen.

Maybe we should just outsource the folks in DC.

No, they're our gangsters. We just need to make them understand that when they make a hit, their Tommy Guns often wound innocent civilians.

Jelly - exactly - the general spew around here is to blame Bush for every little "ill" people think they see, yet they offer NO viable solution - except for "not what he is doing" or "look in the mirror". I think some people here think that my strong opionions and principled values mean I am not open to compromise but they paint it as "completely shut your mind off to the issues" If there is an issue at hand I am going to give my opinion if I feel strongly enough about it - I am not ashamed to say it or to back it up. I think people are too unsure of their own positions to understand how someone could have a strong opinion on an issue so then they spew the "close-minded" type accusations.

The facts do not support your opinion - IMO. The lack of something substantial coming from Bush on this issue doesn't mean he does or doesn't support it I would welcome cutting off the flow of workers from outside our borders - No matter what side of the aisle it came from and I hope Bush would sign such legislation.

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

I'd vote for a 30-hour work week along w/ 6-weeks mandatory vacation. But that's just me. I wouldn't get any benefit either, 'cause I'm self-employed.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

Jelly - I do not lack emotion - that argument just doesn't work on me because I don't use emotion as the basis of my decisions - I use reasoned logic.

Ah, CADGuy, you have a wife no? Did you use reasoned logic when you decided to last make love to her?

Anyway, you've managed to deflect the discussion from Bush and Congress to your personal story of success. How about the other questions and comments I made. Agree? Disagree? Gimme some of that Old Time reasoned logic.

Yes I do. I must "do the deed" otherwise I will have to sleep on the couch and I don't get a good night's sleep because I don't conform to it's moldings.

I addressed your other comments and questions - it's all there - you may just have to decipher it. Come on - You CAN do it but seriously - I don't see what you want me to address. Bush? How can he "create jobs" without making making Corporations happy? And if he does that then you'll blast him for catering to his evil rich corporate buddies. It's just like all the other Bush bashing - people just hate him(admin and Repubs) and don't care about their actual position on the issue - their position is anti-bush - "whatever it takes".
Got something you will take a stand on? If so then we can debate it - otherwise it's just a waste of time.

CkG

He did make the Corporations "Happy". They thanked him and the American public by shipping the jobs overseas.

Dave..Dave...Dave... Always the Evil corporations...

/ me shakes head

CkG

I personally witnessed the corruption at the top by two large public Corporations (when you take care of computers, even invited to Corp heads home to set up and network machines there) and hear things you would not normally hear when not part of the Rich Boys club. It was plenty "Evil" enough when the money of hard working people is "legally" funneled away from them and their life's savings gone and into the pockets of the already Rich Boys getting even richer.
I would say that qualifies.

Enron was not the first.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Corn

Too bad the workers can't vote a bad manager out.

You don't think so? I've seen it done many times. Maybe not a *vote*, but managerial incompetence is easy to spot simply by talking to the subordinate employees.

Yep - been there done that. Been a part of it twice. Bad managment needs to be brought to the attention of "higher" management or the owner. Both of my cases were dealing with the owner to rid ourselves of a jackass manager. He was removed in short order once a few of us decided enough was enough and individually talked with the owner. Everyone under this manager was then talked to by the owner and then he fired the (mis)manager. People need to start looking out for their own livelihood - I will leave any employer who doesn't treat his employees with the respect they deserve and won't change things when problems arise. Keep in mind that YOU CHOOSE your employer and if you don't like the situation you are free to leave - and only the good companies would survive if such were the case.

drag - good post:beer:

CkG

Easier said then done. The truth of the matter is that a lot of people sometimes cannot pick and choose between working for a good employer or a bad one, especially if the rent is due !

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Corn

Too bad the workers can't vote a bad manager out.

You don't think so? I've seen it done many times. Maybe not a *vote*, but managerial incompetence is easy to spot simply by talking to the subordinate employees.

Yep - been there done that. Been a part of it twice. Bad managment needs to be brought to the attention of "higher" management or the owner. Both of my cases were dealing with the owner to rid ourselves of a jackass manager. He was removed in short order once a few of us decided enough was enough and individually talked with the owner. Everyone under this manager was then talked to by the owner and then he fired the (mis)manager. People need to start looking out for their own livelihood - I will leave any employer who doesn't treat his employees with the respect they deserve and won't change things when problems arise. Keep in mind that YOU CHOOSE your employer and if you don't like the situation you are free to leave - and only the good companies would survive if such were the case.

drag - good post:beer:

CkG

Easier said then done. The truth of the matter is that a lot of people sometimes cannot pick and choose between working for a good employer or a bad one, especially if the rent is due !

But they can continue to make the same choice of working for a bad employer. If the jobs sucks, get a new one.

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I think the reason unemployment is so high is that employers are making workers work longer and longer hours so they don't have to hire new workers. Should we basically have a mandated 40 hr work week to resolve this issue?

Germanys work week is 35 hours and they have 11% unemployment.

ummm no, certain union negotiated 35hr work weeks in certain business areas/companies. That does not equal that Germany has a 35hr work week.
higher educated employees(engineers) usually get salaries, have to work more than their contract states with no compensation...

on the line workers might have 35 hr work weeks in some companies... and they get overtime payed

I am working at Uni (government employed) and have a 38.5 hr workweek (contract) in the East it is 41.5 hrs...

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: B00ne

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I think the reason unemployment is so high is that employers are making workers work longer and longer hours so they don't have to hire new workers. Should we basically have a mandated 40 hr work week to resolve this issue?

Germanys work week is 35 hours and they have 11% unemployment.

ummm no, certain union negotiated 35hr work weeks in certain business areas/companies. That does not equal that Germany has a 35hr work week.
higher educated employees(engineers) usually get salaries, have to work more than their contract states with no compensation...

on the line workers might have 35 hr work weeks in some companies... and they get overtime payed

I am working at Uni (government employed) and have a 38.5 hr workweek (contract) in the East it is 41.5 hrs...

sshhttt BOOne -- don't tell them the truth - after all you live in a "socialist dictatorship" and we all know that all persons living in these countries are lazy treehuggers