4 U.S. governors on jobs: Not enough (qualified/skilled) workers

[fskimospy]

Because cheap foreign labor is being legally hired. That's why.

So then why are there so many vacancies? What you're saying makes no sense. If there are lots of vacancies wages should go up. Low labor supply, high labor demand.

Are you a Trump supporter or something? This is pretty basic economics. I know trump doesn't understand it, but most people should.

 

[Brian Stirling]

If there aren't enough skilled workers then why aren't wages in those industries skyrocketing?

Bingo!

And the answer is they get the cheap labor they want from foreign sources...

The governors have had there ears pinned back by the tech companies because they want MORE N1 visas while many pols, having heard from there constituents, have been talking about granting fewer N1 visas. This is an effort to push the needle back towards more N1 visas and nothing more!

Brian

 

[Brian Stirling]

So then why are there so many vacancies? What you're saying makes no sense. If there are lots of vacancies wages should go up. Low labor supply, high labor demand.

Are you a Trump supporter or something? This is pretty basic economics. I know trump doesn't understand it, but most people should.

No, he's correct -- companies are hiring cheap labor through the N1 visa program. The problem for companies wanting cheap labor through this device is that it's a limited supply and recent talk by pols from both parties is putting pressure on the system and that might lower then number of N1 visas. There are vacancies for these jobs as they want more N1 visas to fill them.

BTW, I'm not a Trump supporter, never have been, never will be!


Brian

 

[fskimospy]

No, he's correct -- companies are hiring cheap labor through the N1 visa program. The problem for companies wanting cheap labor through this device is that it's a limited supply and recent talk by pols from both parties is putting pressure on the system and that might lower then number of N1 visas. There are vacancies for these jobs as they want more N1 visas to fill them.

BTW, I'm not a Trump supporter, never have been, never will be!


Brian

Right, so if they have so many vacancies why aren't they raising wages to fill them? The market would respond. Visas do not explain this.

 

[maluckey]

http://www.newslocker.com/en-us/news/walmart/walmart-finds-stem-workers-at-its-stores-computerworld/

No shortage if they're stocking shelves I'd say. Lots of Visa STEM work at Walmart, but Walmart decided to look internally and found thousands.

M

 

[Anubis]

Right, so if they have so many vacancies why aren't they raising wages to fill them? The market would respond. Visas do not explain this.

because they really don't want to pay people. they will just ring more blood out of the current workforce and bitch about it

 

[bozack]

a company I know of just let go of a skilled american worker who was a network engineer and more than capable of performing the job in favor of a H1b visa employee...and I have seen that a good amount over the course of my career....not enough skilled workers is laughable.

 

[stlc8tr]

Maybe, but for every $9 an hour job there are good paying jobs few people want to do.

Are you willing to work away from home for weeks at a time? Work in the heat, cold, rain,,,,? Are you willing to do a job where you could be killed? How about work 80+ hours a week? Maybe upwards to 100 hours a week?

I am working such a job, entry level making close to $50k a year.

$50K at 80 hrs a week means roughly $12.50 an hour?

That doesn't seem worth it to me.

 

[nageov3t]

I could my blessings that I managed to find an IT job straight out of college that was willing to train me and help me grow, even if the pay was peanuts and stock options.

now I'm working for a company where they won't even consider someone for a junior position without 5+ years of experience and advanced knowledge on 80% of the systems we run (as well as requesting knowledge of scripting, working with API's, and other stuff that we never actually do on a day-to-day basis).

they end up hiring contractors with great resumes (probably as a result of certification mills) rather than people we'd actually be able to help grow and who'd be loyal to the company for longer than a 6 month contract.

 

[Victorian Gray]

100 hours a week? How the hell do you find the time to post?

he's ambidextrous.

 

[shady28]

Right, so if they have so many vacancies why aren't they raising wages to fill them? The market would respond. Visas do not explain this.

It is smoke and mirrors, meant to deceive.

This is what happens -

Corp : I need an H1B visa.

Gov : Did you post the position and try to find Americans to fill the job?

Corp : yup, see this documentation.

Gov : How many applied?

Corp : 5000

Gov : And none were qualified?

Corp : Nope.

Gov : OK! Here's your H1B visa, that'll be $2000.

 

[pcgeek11]

How do you become skilled.
Employers do not train anymore. You're just going to leave anyway.
In my dads day, you stayed for life.

Some still do. We have a very active apprenticeship program. Non-union also as an added bonus.

 

[Fenixgoon]

translation - employers do not want to pay enough to attract people with the appropriate skills.

 

[Belegost]

Maybe, but for every $9 an hour job there are good paying jobs few people want to do.

Are you willing to work away from home for weeks at a time? Work in the heat, cold, rain,,,,? Are you willing to do a job where you could be killed? How about work 80+ hours a week? Maybe upwards to 100 hours a week?

Might be interested, what's the renumeration look like?

I am working such a job, entry level making close to $50k a year.

And this is where I'm unsure if this was sarcasm or a sad statement about how bad it is in the low end job market.

Sent from my LG-V410 using Tapatalk

 

[soundforbjt]

Might be interested, what's the renumeration look like?


And this is where I'm unsure if this was sarcasm or a sad statement about how bad it is in the low end job market.

Sent from my LG-V410 using Tapatalk

At 80hrs a week and being generous with 4 weeks off per year that's only $13/hr

 

[Brian Stirling]

Right, so if they have so many vacancies why aren't they raising wages to fill them? The market would respond. Visas do not explain this.

No, they're willing to pay Indian wages and when they can't find American's willing to work for that they complain about not being able to find good people.

And it works another way to ... lots of stories about highly skilled American workers that are told the companies going in another direction and will be letting them go shortly. And, if you'd like a paycheck for 3-6 more months you need to train your replacements. Again, not lacking in American talent as American talent was already doing the job. But, the company wants cheaper labor so...


Brian

 

[DrDoug]

Maybe, but for every $9 an hour job there are good paying jobs few people want to do.

Are you willing to work away from home for weeks at a time? Work in the heat, cold, rain,,,,? Are you willing to do a job where you could be killed? How about work 80+ hours a week? Maybe upwards to 100 hours a week?

I am working such a job, entry level making close to $50k a year.

I got bad news for you...

Example: My wife who is paid by the hour, works 45 hours a week in a nice, clean retail store and makes more than that a year.

I think you are underpaid.

 

[RockinZ28]

Maybe, but for every $9 an hour job there are good paying jobs few people want to do.

Are you willing to work away from home for weeks at a time? Work in the heat, cold, rain,,,,? Are you willing to do a job where you could be killed? How about work 80+ hours a week? Maybe upwards to 100 hours a week?

I am working such a job, entry level making close to $50k a year.

Should look into railroad signal. Sounds similar, except you can start at $27/hr with 0 experience and no education. With excellent benefits and retirement as well. Plenty of postings on indeed.com. Some bring home 90k+ with OT.

 

[Exterous]

This country graduates plenty of STEM people and we aren't facing a shortage.

Personally I like articles and reports with more data sources. STEM is a huge field and should be treated as such. When you stop looking at STEM as a monolithic group you find there are differences which explains the weatlth of contradictory STEM articles.

We are facing a shortage in some areas while we have a surplus in others. The BLS probably has one of the better summaries on the issue

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-stem-surplus-yes-and-yes.htm#_ednref42

This doesn't preclude other issues like lack of wage growth, worker unwillingness, or foreign competitor price competition

 

[Brainonska511]

Personally I like articles and reports with more data sources. STEM is a huge field and should be treated as such. When you stop looking at STEM as a monolithic group you find there are differences which explains the weatlth of contradictory STEM articles.

We are facing a shortage in some areas while we have a surplus in others. The BLS probably has one of the better summaries on the issue

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-stem-surplus-yes-and-yes.htm#_ednref42

This doesn't preclude other issues like lack of wage growth

I agree. There are specific areas where people are lacking, but I feel as if when people talk about STEM as a whole, they're not talking about specific types of shortages, they're thinking of it as a general shortage of people with any STEM subject/skills. And blindly directing new students into generic STEM subjects is probably not going to address the real shortage issues very well.

 

[Zor Prime]

Terminate the work visa system and ... magically, life goes on.

Companies would suddenly be fighting one another for employees.

Guess who benefits? Not saying -- you should know this.

 

[Jaskalas]

What we have is tech companies pushing for more N1 visas so they can bring in more LOWER PAID tech workers -- that's what this is about. There are lots of trained American's but the companies want to bring in lower paid people to do the job. We have outsourcing but we also have insourcing where companies make use of illegals for low skilled workers and N1 visa for lower paid skilled workers. The tech companies complain and the governors carry there water.


Brian

And they accomplish this by making a huge laundry list of requirements that only industry veterans with a specific subset of skills have a chance to fulfill. Essentially eliminating these "jobs" from the market until they get their N1 visas.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

And they accomplish this by making a huge laundry list of requirements that only industry veterans with a specific subset of skills have a chance to fulfill, for half the pay Essentially eliminating these "jobs" from the market until they get their N1 visas.

Fixed that for you

 

[dank69]

What do the laws of supply and demand say? Good luck convincing corporations that they need to pay free market prices for skilled labor. I'm terribly sorry Obama fixed the economy enough that corporations are having a harder and harder time raping their employees. Hopefully we can get a Republican in the WH to trash the economy so we can all be fearful for our jobs once more and be willing to take it up the ass again.

 

[Sonikku]

This is why I disagree with the Republican sentiment that the minimum wage can just stay at $7.25 forever because Capitalism and the "free market" will supposedly adjust wages naturally depending on demand. Perhaps that may have been true in one era, but no longer. When people with college degrees with specialized skills are making little more than minimum wage because companies have gotten so cheap and can now hold visas over our heads it's kinda hard seeing most wages increase accordingly.