4 Oakland officers killed

[Muse]

SF Chronicle article

I ask one question. The phenomenally successful movie Bonnie and Clyde made quasi folk heros out of lawless killers who left a trail of dead bodies behind them and eventually were slaughtered by law enforcement. The white actors enjoyed great success (the studio etc. also). But I don't see much difference. This guy Lovelle Mixon (African American) was evidently in the same situation. He was wanted on a bailless warrant concerning parole violation on a charge for assault with a deadly weapon and evidently couldn't see himself being taken into custidy. Is there really much difference? The main difference I see is that Bonnie and Clyde were on a crime spree and this guy was driving down MacArthur Blvd. in a 1995 Buick.

 

[smack Down]

Might care more when cops in oakland stop shooting suspects in the back.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: smack Down
Might care more when cops in oakland stop shooting suspects in the back.

... when they're face down on the ground, hands behind their back, begging for their lives. Both these guys were African American, about the same age, happened in nearly the same neighborhood.

 

[OCGuy]

Oakland needs to just disappear. What a shithole....

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Muse
SF Chronicle article

I ask one question. The phenomenally successful movie Bonnie and Clyde made quasi folk heros out of lawless killers who left a trail of dead bodies behind them and eventually were slaughtered by law enforcement. The white actors enjoyed great success (the studio etc. also). But I don't see much difference. This guy Lovelle Mixon (African American) was evidently in the same situation. He was wanted on a bailless warrant concerning parole violation on a charge for assault with a deadly weapon and evidently couldn't see himself being taken into custidy. Is there really much difference? The main difference I see is that Bonnie and Clyde were on a crime spree and this guy was driving down MacArthur Blvd. in a 1995 Buick.

You're talking about an event that took place in what the 30s and has been romanticized by hollywod vs a common thug gunning down some officers...who knows, maybe in a few decades he actions will also be seen as acceptable, but in the here and now thankfully that won't happen.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Muse
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But I don't see much difference....

Besides the fact one's a fictional movie and the other is 'real life'?

Since Bonnie & Clyde were well before my time (or anybody else around here), I'll have to take your word for it they were 'folk heroes'.

A quick search shows they were farm-belt depression-era types. I imagine people hated banks back then (forclosing on homes and farms) and so didn't mind seeing them robbed.

That's my guess.

Fern

 

[quikah]

I really don't see how you can compare B&C with this guy. B&C were at large for ~2 years. This guy was at large for a few hours. There is no time to build any mystique around the guy. They were all scum that deserved what they got.

I really don't see what the movie has to do with anything.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Muse
SF Chronicle article

I ask one question. The phenomenally successful movie Bonnie and Clyde made quasi folk heros out of lawless killers who left a trail of dead bodies behind them and eventually were slaughtered by law enforcement. The white actors enjoyed great success (the studio etc. also). But I don't see much difference. This guy Lovelle Mixon (African American) was evidently in the same situation. He was wanted on a bailless warrant concerning parole violation on a charge for assault with a deadly weapon and evidently couldn't see himself being taken into custidy. Is there really much difference? The main difference I see is that Bonnie and Clyde were on a crime spree and this guy was driving down MacArthur Blvd. in a 1995 Buick.

pssst....Hollywood has a way of twisting the truth and manipulating the facts in order to sell a product.

Papers at the time also had a reason to make them heroes...care to guess why?

This guy and B&C were nothing more than cop killing criminals...they all died the same way and deserved what they got.

 

[Infohawk]

I'm a little surprised that there's still people like Muse and smack down defending the thugs. Sounds like they're happy about this.

Lets face it, the black community in Oakland has a way of looking for trouble with cops. There's no excuse for that anymore. Barack is president and people should stop blaming the man, the system, racism, etc.

But I do have to wonder about the effectiveness of the Oakland PD SWAT. I mean did they rush this? THis guy had already killed two cops. Maybe exercise a lot of caution and take your time surrounding him before you get shot more?

 

[Hacp]

He was out on parole... If the guy had been given the death sentence, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to kill those poor cops.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Oakland needs to just disappear. What a shithole....

It is the West Coast version of Detroit.

Sadly there were about 20 people at the scene taunting the cops who were administering aid and closing down the street. The fourth cop is actually brain dead and is not been officially declared dead yet until the family decides to pull him off life support.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...9/03/22/MNCT16L53S.DTL

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm a little surprised that there's still people like Muse and smack down defending the thugs. Sounds like they're happy about this.

Lets face it, the black community in Oakland has a way of looking for trouble with cops. There's no excuse for that anymore. Barack is president and people should stop blaming the man, the system, racism, etc.

But I do have to wonder about the effectiveness of the Oakland PD SWAT. I mean did they rush this? THis guy had already killed two cops. Maybe exercise a lot of caution and take your time surrounding him before you get shot more?

That piece of scum was hiding in closet at his sisters apartment. He opened fire as the SWAT team entered the room from behind the closet door.

 

[Duddy]

The 4th cop is dead.

 

[ericlp]

I feel sorry for the cops doing their jobs. Hey I'd be shooting assholes in the back too ... you don't know why they are reaching in their pockets trying to answer a cell phone or going for a gun. I dunno, until someone gets a clue and starts banning fire arms a lot of innocent people and cops will continue to die in this country.

Why did this guy need an assault riffle? Why does anyone need one?

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: ericlp
I feel sorry for the cops doing their jobs. Hey I'd be shooting assholes in the back too ... you don't know why they are reaching in their pockets trying to answer a cell phone or going for a gun. I dunno, until someone gets a clue and starts banning fire arms a lot of innocent people and cops will continue to die in this country.

Why did this guy need an assault riffle? Why does anyone need one?

We should start banning drugs too. Drugs hurt people. Why does anyone need to do drugs? If we ban drugs then it will be impossible to get them, and no one will do drugs. Also, no one will sell drugs because it is illegal. Ban drugs.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: ericlp
I feel sorry for the cops doing their jobs. Hey I'd be shooting assholes in the back too ... you don't know why they are reaching in their pockets trying to answer a cell phone or going for a gun. I dunno, until someone gets a clue and starts banning fire arms a lot of innocent people and cops will continue to die in this country.

Why did this guy need an assault riffle? Why does anyone need one?

:roll:

He was a felon, so did not obtain the weapon through legal channels. A ban on guns would not have mattered.

Nice try though, libby.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ericlp
I feel sorry for the cops doing their jobs. Hey I'd be shooting assholes in the back too ... you don't know why they are reaching in their pockets trying to answer a cell phone or going for a gun. I dunno, until someone gets a clue and starts banning fire arms a lot of innocent people and cops will continue to die in this country.

Why did this guy need an assault riffle? Why does anyone need one?

:roll:

He was a felon, so did not obtain the weapon through legal channels. A ban on guns would not have mattered.

Nice try though, libby.

Yeah, let's just keep flooding the market with assault riffles... This shit will continue going on when all the crazies out there start to get them. Let's just make it more easy for them to have access to them ... that's the ticket right? Maybe you might want to ask one of the dead cops if that's a good idea? Who's side are you on anyway?

Guess again.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ericlp
I feel sorry for the cops doing their jobs. Hey I'd be shooting assholes in the back too ... you don't know why they are reaching in their pockets trying to answer a cell phone or going for a gun. I dunno, until someone gets a clue and starts banning fire arms a lot of innocent people and cops will continue to die in this country.

Why did this guy need an assault riffle? Why does anyone need one?

:roll:

He was a felon, so did not obtain the weapon through legal channels. A ban on guns would not have mattered.

Nice try though, libby.

Yeah, let's just keep flooding the market with assault riffles... This shit will continue going on when all the crazies out there start to get them. Let's just make it more easy for them to have access to them ... that's the ticket right?

Guess again.

FYI, you can't buy an assault rifle if you're crazy. Everyone knows this.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ericlp
I feel sorry for the cops doing their jobs. Hey I'd be shooting assholes in the back too ... you don't know why they are reaching in their pockets trying to answer a cell phone or going for a gun. I dunno, until someone gets a clue and starts banning fire arms a lot of innocent people and cops will continue to die in this country.

Why did this guy need an assault riffle? Why does anyone need one?

:roll:

He was a felon, so did not obtain the weapon through legal channels. A ban on guns would not have mattered.

Nice try though, libby.

Yeah, let's just keep flooding the market with assault riffles... This shit will continue going on when all the crazies out there start to get them. Let's just make it more easy for them to have access to them ... that's the ticket right?

Guess again.

FYI, you can't buy an assault rifle if you're crazy. Everyone knows this.

That's not the point! If Joe Plumber the fucking idiot goes out and buys an AR-15 you know because he was once in the army and leaves it sitting on the kitchen table and someone breaks into his house. Well, ANOTHER CRAZY has another assault riffle.

Your point????????? I guess you are on the crazy side huh?

Then there is the freaks that will by 500 of these things to sell them to the crazy brothers. Ya know, if you just wanna pass these things out like candy why not give em to everyone? How much of a tard do you have to be to see that if you did put a ban on these rifles it would be a bit harder to get a hold of one.

I'm not saying that a ban is going to make the world a more jolly place but do we have to make it easy for the thugs to get a brand new assault riffle with 3 or 4 new clips of ammo?

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: ericlp

That's not the point! If Joe Plumber the fucking idiot goes out and buys an AR-15 you know because he was once in the army and leaves it sitting on the kitchen table and someone breaks into his house. Well, ANOTHER CRAZY has another assault riffle.

Your point????????? I guess you are on the crazy side huh?

Then there is the freaks that will by 500 of these things to sell them to the crazy brothers. Ya know, if you just wanna pass these things out like candy why not give em to everyone? How much of a tard do you have to be to see that if you did put a ban on these rifles it would be a bit harder to get a hold of one.

I'm not saying that a ban is going to make the world a more jolly place but do we have to make it easy for the thugs to get a brand new assault riffle with 3 or 4 new clips of ammo?

The hypothetical situations you just described are hilarious. Just who are the "freaks" who will go out and buy 500 assault rifles with the intent on selling them to the "crazy brothers"? Where will the "freaks" get the rifles from? How would they go about advertising that they have 500 assault rifles to sell to "crazy brothers"? You have no clue do you, ericlp? None at all.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ericlp
I feel sorry for the cops doing their jobs. Hey I'd be shooting assholes in the back too ... you don't know why they are reaching in their pockets trying to answer a cell phone or going for a gun. I dunno, until someone gets a clue and starts banning fire arms a lot of innocent people and cops will continue to die in this country.

Why did this guy need an assault riffle? Why does anyone need one?

:roll:

He was a felon, so did not obtain the weapon through legal channels. A ban on guns would not have mattered.

Nice try though, libby.

Well, you're right but not for the reason you think. In the USA you guys have let so many guns (ones most often used in crimes or met solely to kill people) go unaccounted for that working gun control will not take these guns out of circulation until they get so old/abused they stop working. Then you'd have to content with a black market for guns probably tied to drugs, a little hard till you militarize the border with Mexico (per pound, guns make less money, so they'd focus more on drugs).

This is even spilling over into Canada with hand gun smuggling from the USA as it is much much harder for criminals to get their hands on their guns of choice (but that gun registry for all weapons including hunting rifles was total BS).

Then there is the gun culture in America, no barriers intended to keep guns out of the hands of criminals will be tolerated if it means someone might have a hard time getting one. Hell, mentally ill people can buy guns as what happened with the Virgina Tech shooting, all his guns where bought legally. It was also known that he was ill, but no one checked or cared.

So the USA's situation is different from most other developed countries. You let the situation blow up in your face, it's too late for strict gun control until you get all these guns (once again referring to ones commonly used in crimes and meant solely to kill people) off the streets. And with your gun culture there will be riots if it was ever tried.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: ericlp

That's not the point! If Joe Plumber the fucking idiot goes out and buys an AR-15 you know because he was once in the army and leaves it sitting on the kitchen table and someone breaks into his house. Well, ANOTHER CRAZY has another assault riffle.

Your point????????? I guess you are on the crazy side huh?

Then there is the freaks that will by 500 of these things to sell them to the crazy brothers. Ya know, if you just wanna pass these things out like candy why not give em to everyone? How much of a tard do you have to be to see that if you did put a ban on these rifles it would be a bit harder to get a hold of one.

I'm not saying that a ban is going to make the world a more jolly place but do we have to make it easy for the thugs to get a brand new assault riffle with 3 or 4 new clips of ammo?

The hypothetical situations you just described are hilarious. Just who are the "freaks" who will go out and buy 500 assault rifles with the intent on selling them to the "crazy brothers"? Where will the "freaks" get the rifles from? How would they go about advertising that they have 500 assault rifles to sell to "crazy brothers"? You have no clue do you, ericlp? None at all.

Dude, don't you ever check Craigslist? I see guys selling 500 assault rifles on Craigslist all the time.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ericlp
I feel sorry for the cops doing their jobs. Hey I'd be shooting assholes in the back too ... you don't know why they are reaching in their pockets trying to answer a cell phone or going for a gun. I dunno, until someone gets a clue and starts banning fire arms a lot of innocent people and cops will continue to die in this country.

Why did this guy need an assault riffle? Why does anyone need one?

:roll:

He was a felon, so did not obtain the weapon through legal channels. A ban on guns would not have mattered.

Nice try though, libby.

Yeah, let's just keep flooding the market with assault riffles... This shit will continue going on when all the crazies out there start to get them. Let's just make it more easy for them to have access to them ... that's the ticket right?

Guess again.

FYI, you can't buy an assault rifle if you're crazy. Everyone knows this.

Yea, might be hard to get assault rifles if your nuts but you sure as hell can get a Walther P22 and Glock 19 if you have a history of mental illness.

 

[nullzero]

Its a shame that these officers were killed by a street thug like this. The police department up in Oakland should review its plans and how to deal with armed and dangerous criminals. Unfortunately the situation in Oakland is likely to get worse from this latest incident... you have many violent thugs hiding within the civilians of Oakland.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Oakland needs to just disappear. What a shithole....

Don't be an idiot. Oakland is an awesome town. I've lived here for about 8 years now and love it. I feel totally safe where I'm at.

There's a couple sections I don't hang out in like where this guy was holed up but it's a huge city and I have no reason to go to those areas.