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You see the difference between you and me here is that you dismiss Lovelle Mixon as a "common thug." He was a young African American man with a criminal record and a family. I don't believe he was a heartless bastard, but I wonder about you. What the hell is a "common thug?" It's just your way of dismissing this. He was a human being with intelligence, feelings and motivations. You can refuse to imagine/believe/know that, but you are wrong.
Squirm, protest, but listen... I don't see what's very different here. 1930's, so fucking what? Cops after you and it's about the gun. That hasn't changed. You dismiss the stark contrast here to Hollywood romanticizing. WTF? I'm trying to get at why they can romanticize B&C and the media put the cold shoulder to LM. Most people won't even entertain the notion of trying to get into his head, but I'm not most people. I deplore the media's pandering to the conservative instincts of couch potatoes.
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So, it's OK to shoot cops when it's fiction but not in real life? What kind of nation are we? That sounds very schizophrenic and hypocritical to me.
The movie B&C is what I was referring to more than the legend. It's the movie and its popularity, that phenomenon to which I refer. What relation that has to the actual events in the 1930's is a topic for discussion, sure, but not exactly germain to this discussion. In any case, I'm talking about the public take. The movie wasn't all that long ago and that movie is still very popular, often viewed.
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Bias is a weak word here. Most of the posters in this thread are incapable of looking at this without prejudice. Hopefully the justice system is not likewise infiltrated with such haters.
According to the TV news last night (CBS Bay Area) Mixon was having serious problems with his parole officer. The family said that he was trying to comply with the terms of his parole but the officer had failed 3 weeks ago to visit him as planned. When Mixon sought out the officer he was told "you don't come to me, I'll come looking for you." He was evidently confused, hurt and humiliated. IMO, that parole officer is in part to blame for Saturday's events. This is in part speculation (my intuition) on my part of course because my information is pretty limited.
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Dude, think. It's easy for felons to get guns because it's easy for non-felons to get guns. Once it becomes very very difficult (or to be far more accurate, a couple of decades later) it will be difficult for felons to get their hands on guns, particularly assault rifles. People's inability to perceive this is another blind spot in American society.
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Try as you might, this guy shot down traffic cops. He was nothing but a thug.
It's laughable to see you trying to romanticize this person.
This is the kind of kneejerk reaction I was expecting. Lets ban weapons for law abiding citizens. That will surely change the behavior of career criminals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uh huh, just like once you outlaw alcohol and drugs for law abiding citizens it will be harder for the criminals to get drugs. This backwards logic from the gun grabbers gets really old.
Assault rifles account for what % of crime in this country?
Gun Control
I suggest looking at about 4:20.
"No proof gun regulation reduced violent crime or murder"
I can't believe posters in this thread are blaming the gun for pulling the trigger. This Piece of crap cold-blooded killer took out 4 victims. HE PULLED THE TRIGGER! There is no defense for this guy even if he had "issues" with his parole officer.
Oh yeah, here's another point, this guy at most would get about 6 months for his parole violation. B&C were either getting the chair (or equivalent) or at the very least life imprisonment. It's a little different between those two. One other thing, I GUARANTEE they'll be a lot less people showing support for these slain cops than the Bart victim...
Oh boohoo, you have a setback or two so you kill four cops? Give me a break. No matter how many setbacks you have, you don't kill people.
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You don't kill people. You know, he was living in something of a warzone. You're a pacifist? Fine. You don't have to look to far in this world to realize that a whole lot of people don't share your dictum against killing. Compassion comes first. Absent that, you're living blind.
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I was hoping you were joking.
Who am I?
I'm someone who didn't immediately assume the criminal was black when I heard about this incident.
I'm someone who sees the criminal as a criminal, not just a black man.
I'm someone who can see more differences between this incident and Bonnie & Clyde than race.
I'm someone who thinks Bonnie and Clyde were worthless human beings who deserved their fate.
I'm someone who thinks that this criminal did was detrimental to all black Americans; he should be vilified by all black people, just like he is vilified by all non-black people.
I'm someone who is disgusted that some bystanders were taunting the police after the shootings.
I'm someone who freely admits that racism is alive and well in the United States, but this incident and the reporting of it have nothing to do with race.
I'm someone who is tired of greedy people who sell guns to criminals. I think whoever sold this criminal his gun(s) should be held responsible for the murders that were committed with it/them.
I'm someone who is glad that this criminal is dead, and angry that it cost the lives of four men.
His parole officer hurt his feelings, you insenstive clod! Why I'm so upset about this whole thing...
/eyeballs the shotgun in the corner....
http://www.ktvu.com/news/18992....html?iref=werecommend
No, he's not a monster, he's a corpse, as he should be.
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He sure sounds like a thug to me.
Cop shooter was frustrated with parole system, was person of interest in 2007 homicide
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No doubt. My sympathies go out to the families of everyone involved in this incident, but they sure as hell don't go out to Mixon himself. The only thing that made this guy anything other than common criminal scum is that he was unusually well-armed and ruthless, even for a convicted carjacker.
I think the comparison to Bonnie and Clyde is legitimate - but rather than 'romanticizing this person', I think it says something about the craziness of romanticizing B&C.
It says something about the public, and something about racism in this case. Charles Manson is more 'romanticized' than the black sniper of a few years ago.
There's a long history though of the public romanticizing outlaws - and you can see even with police in popular entertainment that it's almost a law (pun intended) that the police characters are 'rulebreakers'. Not since the 1960's has that not been the case, with Dragnet and Adam-12 - now it's a cliche, where the cop is either a chronic rulebreaker, or at least the plots frequently have the drama involve rulebreaking, ranging from 'good cop puts justice ahead of the law' to 'Bad Lieutenant'. There was even a vigilante series.
Even a quality series like 'The Wire' - it's about the drug trade, about the corruption among the police, the corruption among the politicians - not about 'law abiding people'.
So, the question is fair, why do people find it so much preferable to watch 'rulebreakers' than 'rule followers' for their entertainment?
On another note, the right and the left both deplore the tragedy of these victims of this thug, and condemn his actions.
But one difference is that the liberal tends to notice things that increase the number of people who become thugs, and tend to come up with policies that reduce that number.
The right does that with one type of policy - mostly limited to increasing punishment and expanding the allowable behavior by the police to give defendants fewer rights (which they intend to hurt only criminials, but which inevitably results in harm to the innocent as well), while the left tends to ask what can be done to prepare prisoners for relase back into society, to note the 'root causes' from poverty to lack of education to family instability, but the public is rarely much interested in those areas.
The primary blame for this incident lies on the murderer.
I do think, though, that many comentators from the right will not understand many of the relevant issues. They can't even understand the discussion of those issues, only thinking that it's somehow wanting to excuse the murderer. I'm interested in hearing from each person on the right who has any direct experience with the environment of the typical young black thug, who understand their environment and influencers. I don't expect we have any such people.
As for the parole issue - the problem does not justify the murders. It is, however, if accurate, a very legitimate issue of justice - and those who blow it off and say 'who cares' are perpetrators of injustice and share the same flaws of a lack of concern for fairness to others as this murderer did when he put his desire to avoid incarceration ahead of his respect for the lives of these innocent officers. There's a reason it's called a 'cyle of violence'.
While most wouldn't, and most don't - whether right-winger or black thug - murder over the injustices, I'd like to see what a right-winger facing six months (or longer) in jail unfairly had to say about it. They take for granted the ability of lawyers to get them out of the problem if they're in the right, the media to write stories about the injustice - but if they faced the 'who cares' reaction to their own imprisonment, they'd better understand why this thug dehumanizes the same way he was dehumanized.
Ever notice how many thugs talk about 'respect' as the motive for their violence? How satisfied they feel about hurting those who support a system that doesn't care about them?
Of course, if liberal policies were enacted that prevented the thug culture for many, that's 'invisible' to the public - they just take it for granted. just as the thousands of people not killed by drunk drivers when policies reduce drunk driving don't give a lot of credit to those policies.
So, this story doesn't really say a lot beyond the tragedy to the people affected by this murderer - unless people look at the larger issues about why there are such thugs.
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