maybe go with 3 GB, and a game may be able to use some RAM above 2GB periodically, but the benefit is that your virtual memory (Hard drive) will not be used as much.
Ok, i see what you mean now. But since BF2 is known as one of the most RAM hungry games out there and even then the total RAM usage i got was 1.1gb adding more RAM wouldn't do anything at all. Except drop you down to 2T command rate and possibly 333 speeds.
So, it looks like running 3 instances of WoW is the closest thing to a legitimate gaming use for over 2GB RAM?
It would be interesting to see, even it such a silly scenario, if the extra RAM is actually giving you more benefit than the penalty for running at 2T and DDR333.
It would be interesting to see, even it such a silly scenario, if the extra RAM is actually giving you more benefit than the penalty for running at 2T and DDR333.
cKGunslinger
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The name-calling is a bit childish and uncalled for, but judging by your past posts, I'd expect no less.
No one said x64 was "useless" for gaming, just that x64 doesn't automatically give you any advantages in gaming. Yeah, so you had one developer retool its game for x64 compatibility and you claim there was much improvement. Wow, excuse me if I'm less-than-impressed, especially when you realize that 99% of games are still going to remain 32-bit only and decent 64-bit drivers are still few and far between.
The simply fact is that for the vast majority of games, anything over 2GB of main memory is probably going to waste.
Optimizing for x86-64 adds more than just the ability to access more than 2GB of memory.
Notably, it doubles the number of general-purpose registers (usually a decent performance gain), and you can work natively with 64-bit numbers (not relevant for most games, but hugely useful for some applications like video encoding).
That said, I'm not aware of any current games that could use more than 2GB of RAM. Having 3+GB would only be useful if you are running multiple games/game instances at once (pretty unusual) or you wanted to be running something in the background that used a lot of RAM while you were gaming.
the farcry for XP x64 is completely different as they added textures and graphics to it that could be run on regular window xp but they just weren't there.
cKGunslinger
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In all honestly, I never really stated or implied that the only advantage of x64 was large memory addressing. And when you start talking about accessing more general purpose registers, you are not talking about the theoretical 32-bit -> 64-bit advantages, but rather processor-specific mechanisms. (I made the mistake of saying "x64" when I really meant "64-bit.") And like you said, native 64-bit integer calculations rarely affect gaming performance, which is the topic of discussion.
So yeah, back to RAM - from a strictly gaming perspective, 4GB gives no discernable advantages over 2GB under normal, optimal game-playing conditions - which seems to indicate that the OP has the correct stance in his argument with his friends.
And I'm certain that you've realized your comment has nothing to do with the OP's question.
But you go ahead & continue trying to convince others that adding more RAM to their system is a waste of money...
The experienced & educated enthusiasts here know otherwise...Sure, 2 GB is a lot of RAM, but it's not the say all & be all...
4096kb of RAM for gaming? 
OMGWTFBBQ?
Let's leave that aside. You are gonna spend money on DDR ram(4gb) now when M socket is so close? I'm having a hard time deciding if I should buy now 2gb of DDR...
OMGWTFBBQ? Let's leave that aside. You are gonna spend money on DDR ram(4gb) now when M socket is so close? I'm having a hard time deciding if I should buy now 2gb of DDR...
If you use VMWARE you could easily go over 2GB. I sometimes assign 1GB to the virtual machine for testing, but then again I'm using Linux which relies more on memory than swap space like Windows does.
You could always run programs in a RAMdisk for faster speed. This should technically let you go over 2GB any time. Its like the poeple who buy 8GB of ram when using Mac OS 10.3. It did not really let you do anything past the 4GB barrier since 10.3 was really 32 bit.
You could always run programs in a RAMdisk for faster speed. This should technically let you go over 2GB any time. Its like the poeple who buy 8GB of ram when using Mac OS 10.3. It did not really let you do anything past the 4GB barrier since 10.3 was really 32 bit.
yea but if u have 1000hp at the wheels of a car, the tires would just smoke in place when u race it.
4gb is useless.
You're correct -- assuming it's FEAR only, and that FEAR doesn't use anywhere near this amount memory even when it has access to it (haven't tested, but probable), then that additional RAM is going to do nothing for you other than allow you to increase the system file cache and potentionally some other system resources that are nowhere near shortage in this usage.
32-bit apps can use up to 3 GB RAM on XP pro (4 GB on XP-64) if they and the OS are so configured, but nobody in their right mind would market a game client with that sort of memory requirement signficantly impacting performance or functionality.
In general, however, more RAM doesn't hurt, and could help in at least the file cache assuming you're getting up to 2 GB in the first place, except for the pesky 1T/2T thing and very expensive/unsupported 2 GB sticks.
cKGunslinger
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Which is all fine, but totally irrelevant to the OP's question. No one is arguing that it should be illegal to own 4GB of RAM, punishable by a wicked flogging from a sweaty naked man - just that for (typical) gaming, you will not see much, if any improvement over 2GB.
Now.. I suppose if you're running 5 instances of Epic's "Unreal Tournament 2008 - Video Editing and DVD Encoding Simulator Edition" under Windows 2003 Server 64-bit Edition via VMWARE thought Linux, which is running via VMWARE under WinXP, while you are racing Epic Mechanostriders around 3 instances of IronForge, and simultaneously watching the AQ Gate-opening event,then you might have a point.
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Except that mem management on the GPU's memory pool on the card does not really exist and first in won the prize of video memory. That is fixed in the next version of the OS...Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Now.. I suppose if you're running 5 instances of Epic's "Unreal Tournament 2008 - Video Editing and DVD Encoding Simulator Edition" under Windows 2003 Server 64-bit Edition via VMWARE thought Linux, which is running via VMWARE under WinXP, while you are racing Epic Mechanostriders around 3 instances of IronForge, and simultaneously watching the AQ Gate-opening event,then you might have a point.
Sorry Broly I hadn't read down to see LOUISSSSS's sig, or I would have picked on his.
Jesus LOUISSSSS link that sh!t
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This is a recycled argument with different numbers. 2GB is plenty for gaming; 4GB is overkill but adds to the e-penis factor. 4GB would only be good for multi-tasking with productive programs but if you need more than 2GB for gaming, then you need to prioritize what you want to do with your computer. One should use their computer for normal operations instead of purposely overloading it and then coming here and complaining on how 2GB isn't enough.
I?ve tested this and never found 2GB to be ?too little? for the avid gamer. Rich kids with nothing better to do than abuse their system will probably beg to differ.
I?ve tested this and never found 2GB to be ?too little? for the avid gamer. Rich kids with nothing better to do than abuse their system will probably beg to differ.
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