4 cylinders = bliss?

[geno]

Originally posted by: gregshin

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: gregshin

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: gregshin

Originally posted by: wbresson
<-Evo owner

<-G35 coupe owner that misses his boosted S14

<--- wants a boosted S14 but don't know how he'll pass emissions

what state are you in geno?

MA

I could probably do a turbo 2.4 setup, but I'd really want an SR20

hmm i dont know how strict it is out there....is there a visual smog inspection? SR20DET's can pass smog as long as its NOT cold startup. Seriously for the money i would do a 240sx with a RB25DETT (R33 skyline) setup.

From what I've been told, they need to plug into the OBD, and since it's all Japanese electronics, it fails inspection at that point. Smog I'm not worried about, I'm sure I can get an SR20 to pass, it's checking the electronics that worries me. An RB25 would be pretty damn costly, no?

 

[Horus]

The Japanese make rediculously fun little cars to drive.

I drove a buddy's '99 Protege SE the other day. Nothing special. Just a 1.6L DOHC, puts out about 110BHP. BUT THE DAMN THING HANDLES LIKE NOTHING I'VE EVER DRIVEN. I took it down a backroad, expecting understeer like crazy. Instead, my head bounces off the window and I take a hard left-turn at 100kp/h.

I'm gonna buy a Protege Touring edition...with a 2.0L, and supercharge the mofo. I'm still looking for an RX-7FD35

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

...with a turbo...Too bad no one can make a "stupid 4-banger" that can make a respectable amount of power without forced induction

The S2000 makes a respectable amount of power, 240hp for a "stupid 4-banger."

Yeah, it also makes 10 ft/lbs of torque.

 

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

...with a turbo...Too bad no one can make a "stupid 4-banger" that can make a respectable amount of power without forced induction

The S2000 makes a respectable amount of power, 240hp for a "stupid 4-banger."

Yeah, it also makes 10 ft/lbs of torque.

you forgot the lustful exhaust tone and an exterior that makes american designers cream their pants.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

...with a turbo...Too bad no one can make a "stupid 4-banger" that can make a respectable amount of power without forced induction

The S2000 makes a respectable amount of power, 240hp for a "stupid 4-banger."

Yeah, it also makes 10 ft/lbs of torque.

you forgot the lustful exhaust tone and an exterior that makes american designers cream their pants.

Uh

The S2000 sounds like a wound up b!tch on crack. Lustful sounds come from cars like Z06 Corvettes or if you like the whine + 8 cylinders, a SVT Cobra.

edit - as for the interior, I can give you that. The plastics used in the S2k are slightly better than those in American cars.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Yeah, it also makes 10 ft/lbs of torque.

I would like to know where you acquired this information from, because the S2000 makes 140 ft/lbs of torque, which is pretty good considering it's a 4 cylinder.

Also, the S2000 redlines at 9000rpm, and remember, this is all stock and completely naturally aspirated. That 120hp per liter. Quite a feat IMO. Now if u begin to talk about modified engines that are naturally aspirated, there's a built b18c out of an integra gsr putting out 283hp and 177ft/lbs of torque(that's a 1.8 liter if u didn't know)That's way more power than a stock 93' ford 5.0 liter. There isn't any need to hate on any cars, i like all cars, i work on them for a living. Have u ever driven an s2000? Have u seen what they run completely stock? They are fairly quick cars, nothing compared to an evo 8 but still fairly quick. No need to make ASSumptions without knowing facts.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Yeah, it also makes 10 ft/lbs of torque.

I would like to know where you aquired this information from, because the S2000 makes 140 ft/lbs of torque.

Also, the S2000 redlines at 9000rpm.

In Soviet Russia, sense of humor gets you.

 

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Yeah, it also makes 10 ft/lbs of torque.

I would like to know where you aquired this information from, because the S2000 makes 140 ft/lbs of torque.

Also, the S2000 redlines at 9000rpm.

In Soviet Russia, sense of humor gets you.

Don't be so hard on him. Maybe the batteries in his sarcasm detector died.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Yeah, it also makes 10 ft/lbs of torque.

I would like to know where you acquired this information from, because the S2000 makes 140 ft/lbs of torque, which is pretty good considering it's a 4 cylinder.

Also, the S2000 redlines at 9000rpm, and remember, this is all stock and completely naturally aspirated. That 120hp per liter. Quite a feat IMO. Now if u begin to talk about modified engines that are naturally aspirated, there's a built b18c out of an integra gsr putting out 283hp and 177ft/lbs of torque(that's a 1.8 liter if u didn't know)That's way more power than a stock 93' ford 5.0 liter. There isn't any need to hate on any cars, i like all cars, i work on them for a living. Have u ever driven an s2000? Have u seen what they run completely stock? They are fairly quick cars, nothing compared to an evo 8 but still fairly quick. No need to make ASSumptions without knowing facts.

Sorry, I wasn't factoring in the other gerbil they have in the motor.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Yeah, it also makes 10 ft/lbs of torque.

I would like to know where you acquired this information from, because the S2000 makes 140 ft/lbs of torque, which is pretty good considering it's a 4 cylinder.

Also, the S2000 redlines at 9000rpm, and remember, this is all stock and completely naturally aspirated. That 120hp per liter. Quite a feat IMO. Now if u begin to talk about modified engines that are naturally aspirated, there's a built b18c out of an integra gsr putting out 283hp and 177ft/lbs of torque(that's a 1.8 liter if u didn't know)That's way more power than a stock 93' ford 5.0 liter. There isn't any need to hate on any cars, i like all cars, i work on them for a living. Have u ever driven an s2000? Have u seen what they run completely stock? They are fairly quick cars, nothing compared to an evo 8 but still fairly quick. No need to make ASSumptions without knowing facts.

No that's not more power than a stock Ford 302. The 302 makes easily 40 ft/lbs more torque than that B18C. Yes the B18C makes more HP than the older versions of the 302, but it does not make "more power". There's no replacement for torque.

ZV

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Yeah, it also makes 10 ft/lbs of torque.

I would like to know where you acquired this information from, because the S2000 makes 140 ft/lbs of torque, which is pretty good considering it's a 4 cylinder.

Also, the S2000 redlines at 9000rpm, and remember

Not any more, they're putting out more torque (still not much, but an upgrade nonetheless) and the redline is now 8000 RPM thanks to a stroke job on the old 2.0

 

[Demon-Xanth]

I'm still a torque fiend. Although I only do 15 second quarters, the ability to get upto 60 quite quickly in one gear makes it easy to suprize people (especially passengers) No waiting, no warning. It handles suprizingly well, and the nice tall sidewalls let me hammer it over things that'd bend a rim that's wrapped in 35 series tires. Naturally pushes when released, oversteers when prodded. Put the throttle in the middle, and it's handling is in the middle. The high mass made shifting into 3rd w/ 295/65R16's@50MPH a tenure for Goodyear. It's like it's medium in everything.

Now, take the Miata. The first one was a hit. Why? It wasn't fast. There were other cars that could out handle it. There were other cars cheaper. There were other cars better looking. But what was it about the car? The fun factor. People could feel sporty even though they don't have the break neck speed.


As far as the S2000:
0-60 in 5.4
5-60 in 6.7

Wanna guess what's the norm?

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
I'm still a torque fiend. Although I only do 15 second quarters, the ability to get upto 60 quite quickly in one gear makes it easy to suprize people (especially passengers) No waiting, no warning. It handles suprizingly well, and the nice tall sidewalls let me hammer it over things that'd bend a rim that's wrapped in 35 series tires. Naturally pushes when released, oversteers when prodded. Put the throttle in the middle, and it's handling is in the middle. The high mass made shifting into 3rd w/ 295/65R16's@50MPH a tenure for Goodyear. It's like it's medium in everything.

Now, take the Miata. The first one was a hit. Why? It wasn't fast. There were other cars that could out handle it. There were other cars cheaper. There were other cars better looking. But what was it about the car? The fun factor. People could feel sporty even though they don't have the break neck speed.


As far as the S2000:
0-60 in 5.4
5-60 in 6.7

Wanna guess what's the norm?

You need only look at your own post to know why the s2k is a successful car, fun factor.

at anyrate, 6.7 sec might still be faster than your truck

 

[boyRacer]

ooooooooh wow.

press gas. yey.

 

[vi edit]

Now, take the Miata. The first one was a hit. Why? It wasn't fast. There were other cars that could out handle it. There were other cars cheaper. There were other cars better looking. But what was it about the car? The fun factor. People could feel sporty even though they don't have the break neck speed.

It's more fun to drive a slow car fast.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: OS

You need only look at your own post to know why the s2k is a successful car, fun factor.

at anyrate, 6.7 sec might still be faster than your truck

Holy sh..! You mean a $40,000 sports car can outrun my $20,000 truck?! I never would've thought that!

 

[CChaos]

Nothing brings the morans out of the woodwork like YACT.

 

[mrCide]

Originally posted by: CChaos
Nothing brings the morans out of the woodwork like YACT.

hmm

 

[Gothgar]

STI > EVO



nuff said...

 

[CtK]

Originally posted by: gregshin

Originally posted by: wbresson
<-Evo owner

<-G35 coupe owner that misses his boosted S14

but the G looks sooo much nicer

EVO is a bad ass car tho

 

[Chadder007]

Meh....I like the power of my 3.0 BMW Z4, especially with the sport button turned on.

 

[DivideBYZero]

<--GF8 Turbo

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
Meh....I like the power of my 3.0 BMW Z4, especially with the sport button turned on.

Meh....sport button = more revs on your slush box, er... nice?

 

[Actaeon]

Whoever is bitching about the S2000s acceleration times really don't understand the focus and strength behind the car. Honda never built it as a drag car, its more of a track car. Watch some of Best Motoring Videos, it stomps a WRX, RX8, ITR, G35, and a Miata P) around the race course, no one could come close to catching up with the S2000. Its not the best accelerating car on a course, but it is one of the better handling cars you can buy, and it proves itself on the race track.

That said, it has very good power from a 4 cylinder. I perfer a deeper tone exhaust, but it still sounds pretty sweet.

No that's not more power than a stock Ford 302. The 302 makes easily 40 ft/lbs more torque than that B18C. Yes the B18C makes more HP than the older versions of the 302, but it does not make "more power". There's no replacement for torque.

I might be mistakened, but it sounds like those dyno numbers he pulled were at the wheels. I'm pretty damn sure a stock 5.0 at best makes that much torque to the wheels. The Integra is also lighter, and really doesn't need as much torque to get going. You can also mod the hell out that 5.0 for some uber power... no replacement for displacement! But stock... thats a pretty weak V8.

Now, take the Miata. The first one was a hit. Why? It wasn't fast. There were other cars that could out handle it. There were other cars cheaper. There were other cars better looking. But what was it about the car? The fun factor. People could feel sporty even though they don't have the break neck speed.

I'm gonna have to agree with you on the most part. Its just the combination of factors that really helped push the car foward. It has decent of power for its size, handled extremely well, and was priced well for what you were given (RWD Convertible). Some people like the look, some don't, as a Miata owner, I think the first gen looked pretty good, but I'd rather have a second gen. I believe its done so well because it is a true sports car in every sense, its a very light, great handling, RWD, 2seat roadster, all without flattening your wallet.

It is a very fun car, with tons of potential. The Miata can only go as fast as your wallet can take it. That said, mine is stock , for now anyway . You can throw a decent supercharger on, push 180 to the wheels with 6-7PSI, and start running mid to low 14s pretty damn easy. 6-7PSI is pretty safe, with really no need to replace internals with stronger parts. Now, if you wanted to run more boost, you can easily get 200-225 to the wheels and start running mid to low 13s, but things start to break around then , and you gotta replace alot of parts with stronger equipment. For a daily driver, its probally more hassle than its worth. But with that much power (even 180hp), you can out accelerate almost any car, and just about out handle everything on the road too.

This guy who attends the autocross club I participate in, he ran a super charged miata with around 250 to the wheels and put down a 12.9 in the quartermile.

His Dyno
Timeslip

This car he used has been to SCCA Solo2 nationals plenty of times... I think his co-driver ended up 2nd or 3rd, and the owner ended up around 5th or 6th. Its damn fast car... the fastest Miata I have ever seen. I wouldn't even take my Miata as far as he had...

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Actaeon
Whoever is bitching about the S2000s acceleration times really don't understand the focus and strength behind the car. Honda never built it as a drag car, its more of a track car. Watch some of Best Motoring Videos, it stomps a WRX, RX8, ITR, G35, and a Miata P) around the race course, no one could come close to catching up with the S2000. Its not the best accelerating car on a course, but it is one of the better handling cars you can buy, and it proves itself on the race track.

That said, it has very good power from a 4 cylinder. I perfer a deeper tone exhaust, but it still sounds pretty sweet.

No that's not more power than a stock Ford 302. The 302 makes easily 40 ft/lbs more torque than that B18C. Yes the B18C makes more HP than the older versions of the 302, but it does not make "more power". There's no replacement for torque.

I might be mistakened, but it sounds like those dyno numbers he pulled were at the wheels. I'm pretty damn sure a stock 5.0 at best makes that much torque to the wheels. The Integra is also lighter, and really doesn't need as much torque to get going. You can also mod the hell out that 5.0 for some uber power... no replacement for displacement! But stock... thats a pretty weak V8.

Now, take the Miata. The first one was a hit. Why? It wasn't fast. There were other cars that could out handle it. There were other cars cheaper. There were other cars better looking. But what was it about the car? The fun factor. People could feel sporty even though they don't have the break neck speed.

I'm gonna have to agree with you on the most part. Its just the combination of factors that really helped push the car foward. It has decent of power for its size, handled extremely well, and was priced well for what you were given (RWD Convertible). Some people like the look, some don't, as a Miata owner, I think the first gen looked pretty good, but I'd rather have a second gen. I believe its done so well because it is a true sports car in every sense, its a very light, great handling, RWD, 2seat roadster, all without flattening your wallet.

It is a very fun car, with tons of potential. The Miata can only go as fast as your wallet can take it. That said, mine is stock , for now anyway . You can throw a decent supercharger on, push 180 to the wheels with 6-7PSI, and start running mid to low 14s pretty damn easy. 6-7PSI is pretty safe, with really no need to replace internals with stronger parts. Now, if you wanted to run more boost, you can easily get 200-225 to the wheels and start running mid to low 13s, but things start to break around then , and you gotta replace alot of parts with stronger equipment. For a daily driver, its probally more hassle than its worth. But with that much power (even 180hp), you can out accelerate almost any car, and just about out handle everything on the road too.

This guy who attends the autocross club I participate in, he ran a super charged miata with around 250 to the wheels and put down a 12.9 in the quartermile.

His Dyno
Timeslip

This car he used has been to SCCA Solo2 nationals plenty of times... I think his co-driver ended up 2nd or 3rd, and the owner ended up around 5th or 6th. Its damn fast car... the fastest Miata I have ever seen. I wouldn't even take my Miata as far as he had...

:thumbsup: