4 cylinder 4Runner . . . Catchy!

[heymrdj]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: heymrdj
You're in kindergarten for stating your preference as law and demeaning others that disagree with your preference.

1) SUVs are a poor substitute compared to other options

AND

2) Caps/coverage on truck beds are stupid.

That is what gives you the mentality of a 5 year old.

Well, that's more of a tit for tat situation. If you want to post ridiculous rants like:

Originally posted by: heymrdj

Better go take your bi-polar pills there, you might feel a bit better.

As to the allergy remark there hitler, for you to be such a bi-polar twit what's your excuse for living right now? Please do yourself the favor, and to the favor of future generations, kill yourself now. Don't worry, we'll wait for your mood to shift again to suicidal.

If it takes you 5 minutes you have one cheap ass shell. If i'm going to have a shell on my truck, it's going to look nice, be well sealed to the truck bed, have running/brake lights, ect. Not to mention seeing as I don't live with a buddy to take it off, don't have sace just laying around to leave a shell when I need it off, and have no neighbor in a 6 mile radius, no I can't just grab a buddy you twit.

Might wanna jump off the failboat and drown while you can.

In response to what are obviously jokes, then you're going to get some smartassery in return.

I ignored this post the first time around hoping you'd have enough inferential abilities to get the clue and mark it off as an oops, but apparently that was asking too much.

You have been given plenty of reasons as to why SUV's easily lead a class of their own compared to pickups, and you insulted the ones that prefer covered storage.

Yes, SUVs are much better at being SUVs than any other class of vehicle. That said, I can think of a better option vehicle for any application. We've been over this.

As for a covered pickup bed, yes, I think it's silly and will continue to do so. I don't see this as insulting someone, but I guess if you're that emotionally invested in your pickup's configuration it could be construed that way.

My main advice if that were the case would be to take a vacation from your vehicle for a little bit. The attachment is getting unhealthy.

Application 101: Name a truck that could carry 7+ people, carry protected goods, and tow a 10,000lb+ camper?

As for an unhealthy attachment to the Expedition, I'd love to trade it for something better, believe me at 85,000 miles it's not getting any younger. But I can't see any vehicle that would possibly do as i need, IE haul 6 -9 people, haul cargo in a weather protected environment (including temperature), and be able tow a minimum of 5k pounds.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: heymrdj
Lol you must be in kindergarten.

"In other words, I'm right you're wrong because I said so."

GTFO you little baby.

I'm in kindergarten for stating a preference?

Listen, I know the point of every thread on Anandtech is to try and act like as much of a know-it-all dick as possible, but this is pretty ridiculous.

Maybe you're a little miffed because I think SUVs are a bad idea. Sorry bout that, but life is life. You're not going to agree with everyone's opinion. Better get used to it.

Originally posted by: JLee

I have never owned an SUV. Well, except for a Bronco II that I sold before I even registered it.

I prefer having a cap on my truck during the winter because a truck bed is not much good when it's filled with snow and ice, and I really don't feel like shoveling the bed out every couple of days.

Just because you have no use for it doesn't mean no one else does, k?

I never said they didn't. I just stated my personal opinions, to recap:

- I see bed shells as ugly.
- If one must add a shell, I see little point in an expensive option with many questionable features.

Once again, if you have your ride set up the way you like it, then I'm happy for you. I reserve the right to prefer another configuration.

How much snow do you get, anyway?

Almost none. Just mostly rain. I noticed that after my original post. We get *weather* aplenty, but almost none of it is frozen.

Shocking.

Try using your truck bed when it has 2 feet of snow in it.

I don't have a shell on my current truck. I had one on my last truck during the winter - and I paid $300 for it...which IMHO is not that expensive.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: heymrdj
Application 101: Name a truck that could carry 7+ people, carry protected goods, and tow a 10,000lb+ camper?

I assume you mean all at the same time?

Dodge Ram 2500 would be fine to seat six, tow up to 12,000 pounds, and get the protected goods in the camper.

Unless the camper's a pop-up, in which case we're talking about one hell of a pop-up.

Or, you could shell the truck if you wanted to (bah!)

So yeah, you got me there, I can't name a truck for that exact application.

Now, Application 101 back to you:

Name an SUV that could carry 7+ people, carry protected goods, and tow a 10,000lb+ camper?

Because I'm hard pressed to find one.

Chevy 'Burban 3/4 ton has the payload for 7+ people, the cargo, and MAYBE the tongue weight of the trailer, but not the towing capacity.

Ford Exped misses the mark on towing capacity too, but does have seating for 8. However, it's payload is less (well less) than 2000lbs, meaning you're going to have trouble getting that many people, your cargo, and the tongue weight of a 10,000lb trailer (which it isn't rated to tow anyway) under that number. And that's not even accounting for a full fuel tank and optional equipment.

So unless we're breaking these tasks up to different time frames, or we're throwing paper specs out the window and going with "what you can get away with real world" (in which case why bother discussing it, because how many people can you fit firewood style in any vehicle?), we're having a problem finding *anything* out there that can fulfill your request.

Originally posted by: JLee

Try using your truck bed when it has 2 feet of snow in it.

I'm not shoveling snow into my bed to try. Solid cover tonneaus (or tri-folds) come off quick and keep the snow out.

I myself just park in the garage...

If you want to shell yer truck, go ahead. But again, not for me.

I'd think the easiest solution would be to not use your truck bed while there's snow in it.

 

[ja1484]

snip. Posts combined.

 

[heymrdj]

The Excursion.

Or if your van oriented, E450/Express 4500/whatever GMC makes.

As for tongue weight, you'll have 1,000lbs or less so it's not all that difficult to manage the tongue weight plus 1,500lbs of people/fuel/cargo.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: ja1484
I'm not shoveling snow into my bed to try. Solid cover tonneaus (or tri-folds) come off quick and keep the snow out.

I myself just park in the garage...

If you want to shell yer truck, go ahead. But again, not for me.

I'd think the easiest solution would be to not use your truck bed while there's snow in it.

I don't have a garage. Not use it? Sure, that'd be the easiest solution...but then you might as well not have a truck for five months out of the year.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: heymrdj
The Excursion.

Payload under 2000lbs? I expect trouble getting people, cargo, tongue weight under 2000. Maybe if all your friends are tiny.

Plus: They don't make Excursions any more.

Or if your van oriented, E450/Express 4500/whatever GMC makes.

I am van oriented for your people and stuff, but the towing capacity isn't there.

As for tongue weight, you'll have 1,000lbs or less so it's not all that difficult to manage the tongue weight plus 1,500lbs of people/fuel/cargo.

Assuming average sized friends, 7x150=1050 just in people. 1000lbs tongue weight gets us to 2050 payload. Full gas tank = another 200lbs or so, so say 2250 payload taken already. Even assuming the champion payload of the 'Burban, I hope you have 250lbs or less of cargo. But then, it's not a 10k tower.

This is all numbers on paper of course...in the real world, you can squeeze 7 people into a Ram 2500 (it's not really even a squeeze, honestly), and Ford Expeditions can tow well over 10,000lbs properly equipped and with a little common sense. Hell, midsize trucks have pulled it off.

Originally posted by: JLee
I don't have a garage. Not use it? Sure, that'd be the easiest solution...but then you might as well not have a truck for five months out of the year.

Move.

Just kidding.

You can shovel it, or better yet, wheel it and get sideways on a steep incline. A couple good roll overs'll get that snow right outta there.

I think we've devolved well into shades of gray here. Yer a smart fella...I'm confident you'll come up with some kind of solution.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: ja1484
Move.

Just kidding.

You can shovel it, or better yet, wheel it and get sideways on a steep incline. A couple good roll overs'll get that snow right outta there.

I think we've devolved well into shades of gray here. Yer a smart fella...I'm confident you'll come up with some kind of solution.

I am working on it..hahah..hoping to be in AZ next year.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: JLee
I am working on it..hahah..hoping to be in AZ next year.

Ah man... I'm jealous. AZ has awesome rock climbing, great weather (except for August/Sept during monsoon season) and tons of badass offroad trails.

Have fun out there.

 

[Mermaidman]

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
I dont think the MPG on a 4cyl in that car will be any good, it will be constantly at highrevs lol

Kind of like the 4-cyl Equinox?

Anyway, Toyota just released the official numbers:
4-cyl, 2WD: 18 mpg city, 23 highway

Slightly better than the 4x4 V6, which rates 17 city, 22 highway

 

[LTC8K6]

So why bother to get it for 1 more mpg? In the real world, that's going to be a tie for mileage.

I'm waiting on further real world testing of the Equinox before I believe the mileage numbers.

V6 2wd is 17/23, so the same on the highway.

They hampered the I4 with a 4 speed auto...

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
I dont think the MPG on a 4cyl in that car will be any good, it will be constantly at highrevs lol

Kind of like the 4-cyl Equinox?

Anyway, Toyota just released the official numbers:
4-cyl, 2WD: 18 mpg city, 23 highway

Slightly better than the 4x4 V6, which rates 17 city, 22 highway

So...it is pointless.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Update: MPG 18 city/ 23 highway

Full of fail.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Update: MPG 18 city/ 23 highway

Full of fail.

also something like a 2500 or 3500lb tow rating...

 

[PricklyPete]

I don't know what to think of the exterior...in some pics I like it...in some pics I really don't. I'll have to see it in the flesh for final opinion. The interior looks fine to me...I wouldn't be buying this for the "luxury" aspect...to me this is a real SUV that you can really use offroad...that's why I would be buying it.

I know this same 4 cylinder is fairly well respected in the Tacoma...but I've never driven one to really get an idea how sluggish it is over teh 4.0L I have. I'm sure around town or off-roading the 4 cyl is more than enough....but on the highway and passing....I wonder how much the 4Runner is going to weigh.

 

[LTC8K6]

The 4 banger is apparently only going to be 2wd and 4 speed auto. Don't know how much off-roading that will do.

People will be buying it if it's cheaper, I guess.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Kind of like the 4-cyl Equinox?

Anyway, Toyota just released the official numbers:
4-cyl, 2WD: 18 mpg city, 23 highway

Slightly better than the 4x4 V6, which rates 17 city, 22 highway

failure

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: Draftee
The Europeans make 1.4 litre engines with 160 hp and 178 lb. ft. torque at 1750-4500rpm. What are Toyota wasting their time with?

Toyota are wasting their time with stupid-ass US emissions requirements and the lack of popularity diesel has in the US. Diesel engines are more efficient and more reliable than gasoline by far. Ever notice how there are a lot more diesel options in Europe than here?

A small (2.0L or less) turbo-diesel can easily break 200hp and 200lb.ft.

torque yes...hp no. turbo-diesels under 2.0L rarely get hear 200HP. they are usually in the 150HP range

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
The 4 banger is apparently only going to be 2wd and 4 speed auto. Don't know how much off-roading that will do.

People will be buying it if it's cheaper, I guess.

Reading through the specs/weight...that seems to be the only reason they would do it. 270HP out of the 4.0L sounds great. I love the engine in my Tacoma...an extra 30+ hp would be a nice with no apparent abuse of MPG....I say that...but if they seriously screwed with the torque curve to get that...I probably wouldn't be interested.

 

[LTC8K6]

The dual VVT-i over the single should help the torque curve.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
The dual VVT-i over the single should help the torque curve.

Nice...I missed that. I've been quite happy with the 4.0L so far in the Tacoma...very easy to service (basic maintenance so far over the last 4.5 years). I hope to keep another 10-15+ years...so we'll see how it holds up reliability wise.