3rd Coldest Winter in American History

[Ns1]

One arctic blast after another. I have never experienced weather this brutal and prolonged. I am very interested to see how global warming theorists spin this one. At this point it is getting a bit embarassing for them.

Global warming refers to an unequivocal and continuing rise in the average temperature of Earth's climate system

Not sure if you realize it, but the calculation is done using a time frame greater than 1 year.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

nm

 

[Thebobo]

Just wondering, why even discuss climate change with people that deny it? They obviously haven't had a science course outside of high school. The major mechanisms behind climate change are well understood, its the long term ramifications that are being studied in the scientific community. That's where my comment came in. It is funny to me that deniers claim to have a grasp of all the concepts surrounding climate change needed to make an informed decision, the equivalent of a PhD or MS.

DING!

You are right there is no point. Also its just become to damn political, that's the worst part. I could go on about the reason but I am to lazy and there is no point, no one will change their opinions here.

 

[Ns1]

nm, terribad joke.

 

[Jaskalas]

Not sure if you realize it, but the calculation is done using a time frame greater than 1 year.

Take a moment and realize the past year has not been cold, for the globe. The OP's argument is weaker than that.

 

[Ns1]

Take a moment and realize the past year has not been cold, for the globe. The OP's argument is weaker than that.

Yeah, I read the thread after I posted the comment.

 

[werepossum]

It's crazy warm in Sweden. Had our warmest Christmas in like 50 years. December was like the warmest it's been in 100 years. We keep breaking records for warm winters.

Well, yes, but Sweden isn't a real country. Sweden is merely a place for tall, fair Nordic bombshells to hang out until our shamefully low immigration quota for tall, fair Nordic bombshells allows them to come to American, their natural home. So hopefully you'll see how a warm Sweden is immaterial in the larger picture. 😉

One thing that's funny is that meteorology != climatology.

The OP tried to say that a cold winter in America was evidence against global warming. That is obviously stupid.

Yeah, everyone knows that a cold winter in America is evidence FOR global warming, as the smart people here argue.

And climate is merely meteorology integrated over time, unless you want to argue that temperatures and weather are one thing while we experience them but mysteriously transmogrify into climate once they're no longer around.

The great thing about global warming is that literally every conceivable event is proof of it. Hard to go wrong there.

LOL Quite true. Doesn't really argue for or against CAGW but it certainly speaks to the basic dishonesty of those pushing it.

Shit's getting serious out there. New Orleans just had one of the coldest Mardis Gras ever. http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/new-orleans-may-sneak-away-wit/23867494
Temperatures are near the record lows set in 1899, and today's temperatures will be the lowest ever recorded, around 39F for the high versus the previous March 4th record of 56F. This goes far beyond heightened nipplage perkiocity into flashing thick woolen sweaters gifted by well-meaning grandmothers in happier times. Those who depend on Mardi Gras for their yearly boobage stand to lose an entire season, and those breasts can never be replaced - not even mentioning the effect on the cheap plastic bead necklace industry, which effects everyone from plastic bead threaders to importers and hawkers. The effect on the bottom lines of hot chicks alone cannot be overstated, as lack of Mardi Gras beads proudly displayed removes their built-in "maybe she'll show 'em to me" discounts for automobile service and relegates them to the social status of normal, everyday, beadless hot chicks who must actually flirt to get Hope discounts. This abject failure of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming to deliver on the promise of hot chicks wearing less clothing is going to make the 2007 crash seem like, well, Mardi Gras before global warming.

 

[rudder]

What's next?! A rewrite of history saying the USSR was a socialist country because it had the name "socialist" in it?

Do you know how stupid you sound when trying to disprove a theory by totally misrepresenting the theory? Pretty stupid to those in the know and yet you seem pretty smart to other idiots.

But please, continue linking to blog articles which offer, ever so insightful commentary, that highlight the type of content you read that powers your ignorant thoughts😉

Extreme weather... kind of the opposite of what would happen in the earth was experiencing global warming.

 

[ivwshane]

Extreme weather... kind of the opposite of what would happen in the earth was experiencing global warming.

Lol!


You go ahead and wear that "I'm stupid and proud" sticker on your sleeve!

 

[Atreus21]

Our winter has been brutal in MN. But it will only be in the top 5 for the state /facepalm
I think it is time to seriously debate moving south.

C'mon down!

You'll want to move back in Summer.

Lousiest Mardi Gras I've ever seen this year.

 

[glenn1]

One thing that's funny is that meteorology != climatology.

The OP tried to say that a cold winter in America was evidence against global warming. That is obviously stupid.

Yet those who do believe in CAGW don't hesitate to cite weather events as support of their argument, such as this very recent example:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-26213919

Your side can't have it both ways, ignoring or highlighting meteorological events as suits your purposes and cherry picking examples to build political support for your preferred solutions.

 

[Subyman]

There is no one that denies climate changes. That is absurd. The major mechanisms are not well understood yet. Otherwise, our climate models would actually be accurate to a reasonable degree.

The argument has always been over how much GHG's contribute to warming or cooling. And the science is far from settled on that. Are we warmer today than in 1850? Probably. Are we warmer than the Medieval Warming Period? Probably not but more research needs to be done.

http://www.co2science.org/data/timemap/mwpmap.html

Perhaps you should reread my post. The major mechanisms are very well understood, it is basic chemistry and physics (green house effect, radiative capture, aerosol reflectivity, albedo, etc etc.) The larger picture is what's being studied, i.e. the long term ramifications on a scale as large as a planet. Our climate models can't predict accurately because the grid resolution is measured in miles, not molecules. Even the largest simulations on super computers must use vast simplifications to perform an experiment on an appropriate time scale. It is a very complicated problem to work through due to both positive and negative feedback mechanisms as well, but the physics are there.

I don't see why you are arguing with me, we pretty much agree. 😉

 

[OverVolt]

This winter has been pretty bad for everyone's health I think.

 

[Jaskalas]

Extreme weather... kind of the opposite of what would happen in the earth was experiencing global warming.

Lol!

You go ahead and wear that "I'm stupid and proud" sticker on your sleeve!

As the planet warms, the poles warm fastest. Polar amplification.
From that the difference in the temperature between the tropics and the poles will decrease.

Still with me?
The closer to equilibrium we get, the less extreme weather we'll have.

 

[OverVolt]

As the planet warms, the poles warm fastest. Polar amplification.
From that the difference in the temperature between the tropics and the poles will decrease.

Still with me?
The closer to equilibrium we get, the less extreme weather we'll have.

Nobody freaking knows lol.

 

[waggy]

The great thing about global warming is that literally every conceivable event is proof of it. Hard to go wrong there.

I have without a doubt global climate change is real. BUT you mention something that grinds my gear on it.

we have the hottest summer in a while? people yell and scream that it's proof of global warming.

we have the coldest summer in a while? again tahts proof

hottest winter? yeah..more proof.

coldest winter...yeah...proof.


more or less storms? lol proof.

There is science proving that weather patterns are changing. but god damn some people that push it are aggravating.

 

[ivwshane]

As the planet warms, the poles warm fastest. Polar amplification.
From that the difference in the temperature between the tropics and the poles will decrease.

Still with me?
The closer to equilibrium we get, the less extreme weather we'll have.

Lol! No I'm not with you, because your statement is not only false but polar amplification deals with the artic and not with the Antarctic and is typically thought of as an effect of global warming not a cause.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_amplification



I appreciate the effort though!

 

[ivwshane]

I have without a doubt global climate change is real. BUT you mention something that grinds my gear on it.

we have the hottest summer in a while? people yell and scream that it's proof of global warming.

we have the coldest summer in a while? again tahts proof

hottest winter? yeah..more proof.

coldest winter...yeah...proof.


more or less storms? lol proof.

There is science proving that weather patterns are changing. but god damn some people that push it are aggravating.

Yep, a very valid point and an annoyance I have as well. You cannot point to any one single weather event and claim one way or another to prove or disprove climate change.

 

[WHAMPOM]

One arctic blast after another. I have never experienced weather this brutal and prolonged. I am very interested to see how global warming theorists spin this one. At this point it is getting a bit embarassing for them.

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/02/16/third-coldest-winter-on-record-so-far-in-the-us/

What idiots post!! OMG!! " Local cold spell trumps average Global temperature. "

Please look up "GLOBAL".

 

[walkur]

Meanwhile here in the Netherlands we've had the second warmest winter since recording started in 1706.
With an average of 6.0C it's 2.5C warmer than average.
Also we've had only 10 days in which the temps got below freezing and nature is about 1 month ahead of schedule here....

 

[boomerang]

FIVE YEARS AGO TODAY… Al Gore Predicted the North Pole Will Be Ice Free in 5 Years
Count your blessings Gore wasn't elected president.

 

[dphantom]

Perhaps you should reread my post. The major mechanisms are very well understood, it is basic chemistry and physics (green house effect, radiative capture, aerosol reflectivity, albedo, etc etc.) The larger picture is what's being studied, i.e. the long term ramifications on a scale as large as a planet. Our climate models can't predict accurately because the grid resolution is measured in miles, not molecules. Even the largest simulations on super computers must use vast simplifications to perform an experiment on an appropriate time scale. It is a very complicated problem to work through due to both positive and negative feedback mechanisms as well, but the physics are there.

I don't see why you are arguing with me, we pretty much agree. 😉

At the simple level of chemistry and physics I would agree. But how the oceans, wind currents, solar and cosmic radiation and interact is not at all understood well and was the point I was getting at.

I am not a climate change denier. But I am very skeptical that man is the sole reason for an increase in average global temperature. we certainly should continue efforts as we have so well done in the US with more efficient means of energy use and production.

That includes coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear as the main sources of steady power and then supplemented with wind and solar where it is cost efficient and competitive.

 

[Bowfinger]

FIVE YEARS AGO TODAY… Al Gore Predicted the North Pole Will Be Ice Free in 5 Years
Count your blessings Gore wasn't elected president.

What's your point? The arctic ice is shrinking, just not as fast as Gore predicted. Woo hoo? Good news mankind, you get a few more years to party before the day of reckoning comes? Yay. You're like a child who gloats, "Ha ha, Mom. You said if I played with cherry bombs I'd lose my hand, but I only lost four fingers. Boy, are you dumb." Derp.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Global "Warming".

 

[JTsyo]

I have without a doubt global climate change is real. BUT you mention something that grinds my gear on it.

we have the hottest summer in a while? people yell and scream that it's proof of global warming.

we have the coldest summer in a while? again tahts proof

hottest winter? yeah..more proof.

coldest winter...yeah...proof.


more or less storms? lol proof.

There is science proving that weather patterns are changing. but god damn some people that push it are aggravating.

I noticed that the weather forecasts weren't as accurate as they been in the past. I guess their models aren't as good for the new patterns.