3DNews.ru: Gaming/Application results including Skylake i3 and Kaveri/Godavari

[Abwx]

You obviously missed the news:
http://techreport.com/news/27677/new-intel-igp-drivers-add-h-265-vp9-hardware-decode-support

Lol, it s CPU decoded and doesnt work, CPU utilisation pegged to 100% on an average HW...

The video engine can now decode H.265 using both fixed function hardware as well as available GPU shaders.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-Broadwell.127915.0.html

And in practice :

Since neither the Iris Pro nor the Radeon R9 have an integrated HEVC/H.265 decoder, the corresponding videos have to be rendered by the CPU. The powerful quad-core manages even 4K videos smoothly depending on the bitrate, but this solution is certainly not very efficient and can also result in a very audible fan noise.

And that s with a i7-4870HQ :

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-Retina-15-Mid-2015-Review.144402.0.html


So keep on spreading Intel s fraudulous claims, besides :

Including Main10 that AMD doesn't support in Carrizo/Tonga/Fiji.

Wrong, it doesnt work even on SKL :

MAJ : Notez que nous n'avons pas réussi à activer la lecture DXVA avec Skylake avec des vidéos encodées avec le profil "main 10" utilisant 10bit par composante. Nous attendons confirmation de la part d'Intel pour savoir s'il s'agit d'une limitation matérielle ou plus simplement d'un problème logiciel.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/940-23/hd-graphics-530-pratique-h-265-consommation.html

And they still got no answer from Intel, lol, yet another fraudulous claim from Intel and you, i guess that slaughtered implementation or obvious lacks need some strong marketing to usurp qualities that are actualy absent, as such you are deliberatly misleading the general public, but is it a surprise, really...

 

[Arachnotronic]

Lol, it s CPU decoded and doesnt work, CPU utilisation pegged to 100% on an average HW...

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-Broadwell.127915.0.html

And in practice :

And that s with a i7-4870HQ :

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-Retina-15-Mid-2015-Review.144402.0.html


So keep on spreading Intel s fraudulous claims, besides :



Wrong, it doesnt work even on SKL :

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/940-23/hd-graphics-530-pratique-h-265-consommation.html

And they still got no answer from Intel, lol, yet another fraudulous claim from Intel and you....

Abwx, HEVC Main 10 is supported only via hybrid decode in Skylake; it is not fully hardware accelerated. Hardware support comes with Kabylake.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Lol, it s CPU decoded and doesnt work, CPU utilisation pegged to 100% on an average HW...

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-Broadwell.127915.0.html

And in practice :

And that s with a i7-4870HQ :

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-Retina-15-Mid-2015-Review.144402.0.html


So keep on spreading Intel s fraudulous claims, besides :



Wrong, it doesnt work even on SKL :

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/940-23/hd-graphics-530-pratique-h-265-consommation.html

And they still got no answer from Intel, lol, yet another fraudulous claim from Intel and you, i guess that slaughtered implementation or obvious lacks need some strong marketing to usurp qualities that are actualy absent, as such you are deliberatly misleading the general public, but is it a surprise, really...

The only one spreading FUD is you. Selecting articles predating the driver release. Or simply choose not to do any followup.

As always, it backfires on you.

 

[Abwx]

Abwx, HEVC Main 10 is supported only via hybrid decode in Skylake; it is not fully hardware accelerated. Hardware support comes with Kabylake.

Perhaps that you want a translation from HFR article.?.

"Notice that we didnt manage to activate DXVA video play with SKL and main10 profile using 10 bit per component.
We are waiting confirmation from Intel about wether it s a hardware or software related issue"

What transpire is that in SKL hybrid decode the hybrid part doesnt work, it s not even partially accelerated when it comes to Main 10, so anybody promoting Intel as supporting thoses features is just misleading the people, but i guess that marketing is not about being on point.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Abwx, HEVC Main 10 is supported only via hybrid decode in Skylake; it is not fully hardware accelerated. Hardware support comes with Kabylake.

Which is the biggest letdown in computing I have personally had in over a decade.

I was expected, nay COUNTING on Intel to match the GTX 960's decoder this generation and instead we get something that isn't even close. Oh and BONUS ROUND- Intel is now slowing down its product releases so it will be THAT much longer before we have a integrated GPU that can decode a HEVC stream without relying on hybrid decoding. For those of us who are into HTPCs that will be too little too late, ARM boxes will probably have full HEVC decode long before cheap consumer Kabylake CPUs hit. Yet another place where the mighty Intel can't even keep up with the low-end ARM market, even if some people want to pretend the Skylake hybrid decoding is acceptable because AMD (who is COMPLETELY irrelevant in this field at this point) does worse.

I was saving up money for a year for a i5-level Skylake NUC expecting full HEVC decode only to be let down bigtime. Now that money is going into a G3258 build that will have a GTX 950- aka a GPU that can ACTUALLY and FULLY decode HEVC. Thank goodness we can count on Nvidia to give us a proper decoder, apparently years before anyone else in the x86 world.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Which is the biggest letdown in computing I have personally had in over a decade.

I was expected, nay COUNTING on Intel to match the GTX 960's decoder this generation and instead we get something that isn't even close. Oh and BONUS ROUND- Intel is now slowing down its product releases so it will be THAT much longer before we have a integrated GPU that can decode a HEVC stream without relying on hybrid decoding. For those of us who are into HTPCs that will be too little too late, ARM boxes will probably have full HEVC decode long before cheap consumer Kabylake CPUs hit. Yet another place where the mighty Intel can't even keep up with the low-end ARM market, even if some people want to pretend the Skylake hybrid decoding is acceptable because AMD (who is COMPLETELY irrelevant in this field at this point) does worse.

I was saving up money for a year for a i5-level Skylake NUC expecting full HEVC decode only to be let down bigtime. Now that money is going into a G3258 build that will have a GTX 950- aka a GPU that can ACTUALLY and FULLY decode HEVC. Thank goodness we can count on Nvidia to give us a proper decoder, apparently years before anyone else in the x86 world.

I don't think Intel is slowing down its product release cadence; I think their product definition/marketing teams just missed the mark in determining what would be "leadership" in the Skylake timeframe.

At least they are remedying their mistake with Kabylake in 2016 rather than forcing us to wait until 2H 2017 with Skylake, but I agree it is disappointing that high end laptop/desktop chips will have lesser media capabilities than a Tegra X1 or a Snapdragon 820 in a phone .

 

[Abwx]

The only one spreading FUD is you. Selecting articles predating the driver release. Or simply choose not to do any followup.

As always, it backfires on you.

Lol, post the slides you want, the Intel management tool is fraudulous, it s one thing to display that something is supported but it s another matter to have the thing actualy working.

As said it doesnt work, HFR got the same panel and they also thought that it would work, do you think that people are that stupid..?.

Anyway it s funny to see how desperate you are, and also how hard you are marketing fraudulous claims that are aknowledged as being such by the press, an advice, write to HFR reviewer but just stop speading what would amount to lies given that you are now aware that your claims are wrong.


Personal attacks are not allowed here.
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[poofyhairguy]

At least they are remedying their mistake with Kabylake in 2016

Too little too late for me. The GTX 960 will be out for a year or more by the time Intel gives us a decoder worth having. I can't even imagine how they believed hybrid decoding was acceptable in a 2015 that was basically the year of 4K. I guess that is classic Intel on the GPU side though. They will be behind in decoding, behind in VR, behind in everything that matters. They better be thanking the gods that Nvidia allows us to pair a part with their CPUs to cover their deficiencies or ARM would be the only option worth looking at.

I agree it is disappointing that high end laptop/desktop chips will have lesser media capabilities than a Tegra X1 or a Snapdragon 820 in a phone .

It's not disappointing, it's a disaster. It shows that Intel STILL does get it.

They have billions in the bank and the best engineers on the planet. They could have give us a full decoder before 2017 (which is when I will still expect to get a lowend NUC level part worth having until it is proven otherwise). I still expect the first full HEVC decoder they put out to be trash at this point, I just don't trust them. I mean, it took what- THREE generations to squash the 24p bug? Intel's GPU division is easily the most underperforming hardware division in the industry. Yeah AMD does worse, but they do worse with WAY less.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Lol, post the slides you want, the Intel management tool is fraudulous, it s one thing to display that something is supported but it s another matter to have the thing actualy working.

As said it doesnt work, HFR got the same panel and they also thought that it would work, do you think that people are that stupid..?.

Anyway it s funny to see how desperate you are, and also how hard you are marketing fraudulous claims that are aknowledged as being such by the press, an advice, write to HFR reviewer but just stop speading what would amount to lies given that you are now aware that your claims are wrong.

It works fine for me and plenty of others. Keep up your FUD campaign. It really hurt you to learn how poor AMD is as a choice for media?

 

[Abwx]

It works fine for me and plenty of others. Keep up your FUD campaign. It really hurt you to learn how poor AMD is as a choice for media?

It works only on your imagination as is the "for others" a invention of your imagination as well.

Besides, what AMD has suddenly to do with this, or is it some kind of pavlovian reflexe, once you are caught misleading the public, that to add insult to injury with a pathetic viral statement about AMD being allegedly poor..?..

What hurts is how low you managed to drag this forum with you continual bad faith.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Intel's GPU division is easily the most underperforming hardware division in the industry.

You are wrong. This "honor" belongs to Intel's mobile chip group

 

[Sweepr]

It works only on your imagination as is the "for others" a invention of your imagination as well.

I'd rather trust someone actually using Skylake-U as a HTPC than your claims pulled out of thin air to spread FUD.

 

[nvgpu]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9390/the-amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-review/8

Unfortunately what you won’t find here is Main10 profile support, which is the profile for 10-bit color, and AMD has confirmed that 10-bit color support is not available on Fiji. As our in-house video guru Ganesh T S pointed out when looking at these results, Main10 is already being used in places you wouldn’t normally expect to see it, such as Netflix streaming. So there is some question over how useful Fiji’s HEVC decoder will be with commercial content, ignoring for now the fact that lack of Main10 support essentially rules out good support for some advanced color space features such as Rec. 2020, which needs higher bit depths to support the larger color space without extensive banding.

Kaveri/Godavari & Carrizo/Bristol Ridge are pretty much IRRELEVANT in 2015 & 2016.

 

[poofyhairguy]

You are wrong. This "honor" belongs to Intel's mobile chip group

Hey at least that group now has some design wins. The Zenphones are pretty popular.

Meanwhile the GPU group can't figure out what is needed for a HTPC (aka why we want NUCs idiot Intel!) to save their souls. Oh and their most competitive parts are all tied to flagship desktop CPUs that will most likely be paired with a dedicated GPU (or two) anyway.

Intel should have just bought someone like ATI or PowerVR years ago and saved us from all this disappointment.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The only 2 PC products with full hardware Main10 are GTX950 and GTX960. Rest with support is hybrid.

 

[poofyhairguy]

The only 2 PC products with full hardware Main10 are GTX950 and GTX960. Rest with support is hybrid.

The problem is the market is no longer just PCs. Something like a Shield is a perfect HTPC replacement for a NUC, maybe even better than considering how WMC is now a dead end.

Intel needed a full decoder in Skylake to keep up with the general computing market. They didn't deliver and I think it's fair to judge them in that context.

Also please note that the GTX 960 is a year old, meaning it is likely NVIDIA will have more cards with full decode before Intel gives us anything. Intel moves so slowly that by the time we get a full decoder in a part worth having that capability with be part of $50 ARM devices.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Also please note that the GTX 960 is a year old, meaning it is likely NVIDIA will have more cards with full decode before Intel gives us anything. Intel moves so slowly that by the time we get a full decoder in a part worth having that capability with be part of $50 ARM devices.

Kabylake-U is coming to NUCs/desktops in late Q2'16 so you don't have to wait that long.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Kabylake-U is coming to NUCs/desktops in late Q2'16 so you don't have to wait that long.

That is only if they get it right the first time. I am cautious until I see it...technically Sandy could decode h264 but it was useless until Haswell.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The problem is the market is no longer just PCs. Something like a Shield is a perfect HTPC replacement for a NUC, maybe even better than considering how WMC is now a dead end.

Intel needed a full decoder in Skylake to keep up with the general computing market. They didn't deliver and I think it's fair to judge them in that context.

Also please note that the GTX 960 is a year old, meaning it is likely NVIDIA will have more cards with full decode before Intel gives us anything. Intel moves so slowly that by the time we get a full decoder in a part worth having that capability with be part of $50 ARM devices.

That's the difference between a long and a short development cycle. Kaby Lake will most likely end up being the 3rd PC product with full hardware Main10 decode.

NVidia couldn't even get it into the GM200 in time for the same reason.

 

[poofyhairguy]

That's the difference between a long and a short development cycle. Kaby Lake will most likely end up being the 3rd PC product with full hardware Main10 decode.

I am pretty sure will we see the 750 Ti replacement before then. And probably a Titan X replacement, which will for sure have full decoding.

More importantly Samsung will sell like 10 million Galaxy S 7s that can do it before Intel even has a horse in the race.

Edit: And this isn't intel's only problem in the HTPC space too. Remember also the lack of real HDMI 2 support, which is even worse (Big N has a lot of cards with HDMI 2).

 

[mikk]

Lol, it s CPU decoded and doesnt work, CPU utilisation pegged to 100% on an average HW...

Intels Hybrid approach for 10 bit HEVC does use its GPU, CPU load is relatively low. It's not 2-3% like a fixed function solution but something like 20% on Quadcore GT2 to give you a rough number. (depends on the video).

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-Broadwell.127915.0.html

And in practice :

And that s with a i7-4870HQ :

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-Retina-15-Mid-2015-Review.144402.0.html

It works perfectly fine since a very long time for Haswell. So either they did use a very old driver or they didn't enable the Hardware encoder acceleration in MPC or whatever they use.

Wrong, it doesnt work even on SKL :

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/940-23/hd-graphics-530-pratique-h-265-consommation.html


"Notice that we didnt manage to activate DXVA video play with SKL and main10 profile using 10 bit per component.
We are waiting confirmation from Intel about wether it s a hardware or software related issue"

10 Bit Hybrid works perfectly fine since launch on all videos I've tried. There is no video sample from them, no chance to see what they did. Maybe they did expect 10 bit acceleration from fixed function.

What transpire is that in SKL hybrid decode the hybrid part doesnt work, it s not even partially accelerated when it comes to Main 10, so anybody promoting Intel as supporting thoses features is just misleading the people, but i guess that marketing is not about being on point.

Actually you are the one who is misleading the people.

 

[Dresdenboy]

Old enough to know what software decoding takes of resources.

CPU+OpenCL gives you a limited support of 1080P HEVC 8bit decode at 30FPS.

Now show me software decode of 4K, including Main10 and VP9 all in 60 FPS

So maybe you should try see if you could get your AMD to actually deliver the needed hardware decode. Rather than searching for an excuse or terrible hotfix that wont work just like AtenRa.

Of course, it does cost resources. Perfectionists would never be happy. Years ago I had a 32" 1080p TV. But 1080p didn't make sense in the given environment. I just fell for the number (some of us are spec geeks, aren't we? ) and the possible (but 3 times used) option to connect the notebook to it.

So before running for the last tenth of a percent, I'd always ask, if it makes sense, or if we're already leaving the domain, where something is of real use, like watching 24fps movies in 4K @ 60 fps on a 4K 5" smartphone display. Is that useful for normal people or only for narcissts, spec pr0n geeks or some, who have a low self esteem. Sorry for entering a more holistic POV, let's go back to the simple numbers.

BTW, HEVC is supported by UVD6, in 4K@60. Smartphone GPUs managed to do VP9 FHD@30fps without going full load for the chip. VP9 in 4k@60 should be doable then on faster GPUs.

Which is bad, especially for mobile.



Considering their focus on GPU, that's a shame. AMD's graphics performance advantage is being reduced to the point I'm sure some people are really looking forward to 2017 and praying for some HBM solution (that might or might not reach client segment anyway). Before that, there's Skylake GT4e and a new lineup of Kaby Lake CPUs with more powerful iGPUs and fixed function HEVC Main10/10bit / VP9 10bit hardware decoding.

Indeed. But I answered in the context of HTPC as this has been discussed on the relevant page. Mobile also brings up the question of screen size and resolution (true needs).

The best they can hope for APU wise, will be some Zen APU in 2017 to fix these issues. That's just plain awful.

And who knows how the GPU lineup will look and how much that will be rebrand without support.

It might turn out this way. It might turn out differently. Some say, AMD will be dead in 2017. So why discussing these options anymore?

 

[Sweepr]

Overclocked Core i3-6100 vs Core i5-6400 vs Core i5-6600K

Much more here: www.3dnews.ru/926905

OCed Core i3 pretty much matches stock Core i5 MT performance.

 

[Burpo]

Wow, cool!

 

[Sweepr]

That's the second review I see where OCed Core i5-6400/6500 draws less power than OCed Core i5-6600K.

Wow, cool!

Core i3-6100 is a great little chip.