3900x/Radeon VII watercooling: another newbie thread

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aigomorla

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measure twice and measure once more just for safe sake, and then cut once!

your going to love the AC fans.
I always have a pack of them as emergencies or for projects.
They are great, cheap, and never has let me down.
 

DrMrLordX

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I got extra tubing "just in case". Might need to get a red sharpie or something to mark cut points.

Unfortunately none of the stuff from Watercool.de is here yet. They do take awhile to ship (which is why I ordered early). Getting it sooner than later would be good though.
 

DrMrLordX

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Argh right after I return my Bitfenix fans to Newegg, Amazon tells me I'm getting a product refund because the courier failed to deliver my AC fans 3 times and sent them back. Normally they just drop the thing at the door, and I see no indication that whoever was delivering the package actually attempted to deliver anything anyway. I think they just lost the package. Getting the same products re-sent with 2-day delivery. Grr.
 

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Next time, ask Amazon if you can fly the delivery drone, just to be sure. Altho...with so many AC fans, they could have flown themselves... ;-)
 

aigomorla

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lol... have you tried the AC fans yet?
how did you like them?
 

DrMrLordX

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lol... have you tried the AC fans yet?
how did you like them?

No, they won't be here until Saturday, because Amazon or whoever was trying to deliver them are idiots.

Next time, ask Amazon if you can fly the delivery drone, just to be sure. Altho...with so many AC fans, they could have flown themselves... ;-)

Hey that isn't a bad idea. Self-delivering fans. I could make my own Arctic Cooling pentacopter.
 
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DrMrLordX

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My AC fans finally showed up. They look solid. Packaging is forgettable but really, who cares about that? They look to be in good condition anyway.

Got the remainder of my WC parts coming in from Watercool tomorrow. It was slow because they actually ran out of MO-RA3 rads and had to build more (or so they claim). Come Tuesday, it's go time!

Any recommendations on how to prep everything for install? I've been reading guides (will read more) but I'm sure you people know something they don't.
 

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The only thing that really requires a flush before install is the radiator.
Other then that its pretty much simple.

Just plan out your routes accordingly.
Remember shortest loop order is always the best, unless it means having the pump placed above the reservoir.
 

DrMrLordX

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The only thing that really requires a flush before install is the radiator.

That's what I figured. Should I just flush with distilled, or do I need anything else? Some folks seem to be using various grease cutters, detergents, and other stuff on their rads.

Remember shortest loop order is always the best, unless it means having the pump placed above the reservoir.

Hmm. I'll keep that in mind.
 

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DrMrLordX I used XSPC 140 mm fans designed for radiators with my MO RA3 420 Pro and they worked well. I used a 3 to 1 splitter to a fan controller with enough amperage to run all three fans. Had my D5 pump mounted internally.
 

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aigomorla, I bought a GE water filter system with an inexpensive submersible garden pump and did a hook up to my Mo Ra3 420 Pro with Koolance quik releases and let the water (distilled) run all night. Changed out the water and ran again. It works well.
 

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DrMrLordX , what thermal paste or thermal tape are you going to use between the gpu block and the Radeon VII gpu/HBM2 surface?
 

DrMrLordX

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Okay, new problem! I was stupid and assumed that I didn't need to order tops for both my D5s since hey, one was going into a res, right? Well turns out the res is designed for a pump+top combo to be ordered separately. Oops!

So I have one pump with a top and one without. I feel bad for a d5 that has to pump water through my MO-RA3 all by itself! This thing is God's own radiator. I think you could run it in a car!!!

Any suggestions where I can get a quality top for my D5 Vario quickly? Like in 3-5 business days or less? I don't want to have to order a spare top from Watercool and wait 7 days minimum for them to ship it all the way from Deutschland again. It doesn't have to be pretty, just has to work.

Pretty sure my pump is a standard D5 Vario but to be sure, this is what I've got:

https://sage-shop.com/epages/Waterc...?ObjectPath=/Shops/WatercooleK/Products/30049

Thinking about using this top:

https://www.amazon.com/Singularity-...06Y18V718/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

I'll need some extra g 1/4 plugs to fill all those unused ports.

@gk1951

I have fans now, and they look good. But thanks for the suggestions. I'm wondering, can you link to the filtration system you used? Rinsing this thing is going to be a challenge because of its size. Gonna need a bigger bucket!
 
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That's what I figured. Should I just flush with distilled, or do I need anything else? Some folks seem to be using various grease cutters, detergents, and other stuff on their rads.

there are 2 ways to clean out a radiator.

Typically if its new...
You can just flush the thing with warm/hot water.
You dont need distilled for the initial flush. Honestly just use Tap water.
Let it sit for a minute and give it a good shake / empty.
It does not need to be boiling, nor do i suggest it to be near that temp.
Hot, to the point where its uncomfortable to touch, but not to the point where u will get 3rd degree burns from, so like a hot spring / hot bath temp.
Fill... shake.... empty... fill shake empty...
Refill it again, and repeat.

Do this until you see nothing coming out... or the water does not appear whitish and comes out clear.
(caution, your radiator will get hot in this process)
After the last flush, you can then do a final flush with distilled to get rid of the tap water.
That should be enough to get the left over resin inside the tubes to dislodge and come out.


If its a used radiator, i typically use a radiator flush.
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But this is only if the radiator was used for a while...
It will dislodge scaling + premix deposits, but it requires a lot of post flushes with clean water afterwards as you dont want it left in your radiator.
Hence u will only need to go route 2 when you either buy a used radiator or its been in use for a while.
 

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You then buy a cheap plastic pail from lowes (5 gallon) and cut two holes in it and use a submersible garden pump. Put the pump in the pail, hook the pump to one end of the filter which will be out side the pail. Hook the other side of the filter to the one end of the MO RA3 and have the other end of the MO Ra3 drain back in the pail. Fill the pail with enough distilled water to fill the MO Ra3 and keep it circulating for 24 hours and it will be perfectly flushed.
 

DrMrLordX

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@aigomorla okay, I think I can handle that. Might have to rinse this thing in the bathtub since it's so damn big. Or get a 5-gallon bucket like @gk1951 recommended. Fortunately my rad is brand new so I do not have to worry about previous owners.

That filter doesn't look too expensive either. I have time to think about this. As for a res, I have all the res I need. I was going to go dual-res but I was talked out of it by people that know better than I. I just need a pump top for my second pump. And really I can run with one pump for awhile.

Another question, if any flux/junk from the rad gets into the WC system, will it foul a pump? Or will it just force me to drain/refill my coolant?

@gk1951 Sorry I forgot to answer your question:

DrMrLordX , what thermal paste or thermal tape are you going to use between the gpu block and the Radeon VII gpu/HBM2 surface?

Good question! I have seen the teardown of the Radeon VII enough time that I think I am going to try either Kryonaut or Conductonaut. Temps should stay low enough for me to use Kryonaut safely, if I choose to use it. Conductonaut will work better though, and if you look at the teardown of Radeon VII here:


The die is resin coated! There aren't any exposed circuit elements where it would scare me to use metal TIM.

The only thing that concerns me is the uneven contact between the stock cooler and the die (dice). No idea why they got that with the contact paper (same review). So I may do some asking around, and if necessary I may buy a pad before I mount the block.
 
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just attach tubing on both ends and connect it to a faucet with dishwashing gloves on hot water, so you dont burn yourself.

and no flux wont damage anything.
It will stain your tubing with a slightly white hue, but thats about it.
 

DrMrLordX

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Finally got some time today to play with my WC stuff. CPU isn't here until Monday so I can't even build until then.

Looks like the rad took cosmetic damage during shipment. Or at least I hope it's cosmetic. The impact point is on the bottom near the mount holes for feet. Got the feet, 140mm fan brackets, and reservoir mounted anyway without difficulty. Next comes flushing the thing with hot water. Will post a pic of the rad (it's enormous) when I get the chance. Cam sucks but oh well.

edit: flushing from a faucet doesn't seem to be working so well. I can't connect to the faucet so I can't use any of the water pressure to force water through the rad. Will have to use a different strategy.

Also, I am an idiot for thinking I needed a second top. It turns out the Heatkiller d5 res has all the hardware necessary to mount a d5. It leaves part of the pump body sticking out of the bottom, but that's okay with me.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Okay so I quasi-flushed by running distilled through the rad in a test loop using just one D5 (set at 3). Everything worked fine, and it took nearly half a gallon of water to fill the test loop. I noticed no particulate floating around in the reservoir during testing. I would rather have used some hot water, but I simply had no way to force any through the rad so this will have to do for now. At least I have confirmed that the dent on the rad is cosmetic. It does not appear to be leaking anywhere.

Also, blurry pic of the rad itself, with 100 mL res mounted on the side:

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AWE, DrMrLordX it never gets old looking at a MO Ra3 420!:cool::p:D
Looks like your external mounting of the pump/res went well.
 
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Is that the best performing water block for AM4? I have a custom loop I built a while ago and I'm considering re-doing the loop with a block that fits. I honestly am not sure if the one I am using now works on AM4 so I should look it up and check.

EDIT: Looks like it's a HK3.0 Nickle and Black, 400g
 
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DrMrLordX

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I haven't seen a block that performs better than Heatkiller IV, which is one of the reasons why I got it (actually the nickel one usually reviews better than the pure copper one I'm getting; go figure).