3870XT

[SickBeast]

I'm wondering what this card is, seeing as everyone keeps saying it's "faster than a GTX" and will apparently cost around $250. So far that's about all I've heard. It apparently comes out in 2 weeks.

So...why all the fuss about this card?

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I'm wondering what this card is, seeing as everyone keeps saying it's "faster than a GTX" and will apparently cost around $250. So far that's about all I've heard. It apparently comes out in 2 weeks.

So...why all the fuss about this card?

honestly if they had the card beating the gtx, they would have leaked some benches or something, the silence is like.... i dunno..... a bad sign

 

[nonameo]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I'm wondering what this card is, seeing as everyone keeps saying it's "faster than a GTX" and will apparently cost around $250. So far that's about all I've heard. It apparently comes out in 2 weeks.

So...why all the fuss about this card?

honestly if they had the card beating the gtx, they would have leaked some benches or something, the silence is like.... i dunno..... a bad sign

I hate to say it, because I hate to see a one-sided fight, but QFT. I mean if AMD has something killer on the way, now is the time to let that silent but deadly loose a little.

something stinks, or nothing stinks... depending on how you want to look at it.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: nonameo

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I'm wondering what this card is, seeing as everyone keeps saying it's "faster than a GTX" and will apparently cost around $250. So far that's about all I've heard. It apparently comes out in 2 weeks.

So...why all the fuss about this card?

honestly if they had the card beating the gtx, they would have leaked some benches or something, the silence is like.... i dunno..... a bad sign

I hate to say it, because I hate to see a one-sided fight, but QFT. I mean if AMD has something killer on the way, now is the time to let that silent but deadly loose a little.

something stinks, or nothing stinks... depending on how you want to look at it.

Maybe they are waiting for the "official" launch. This way when nvidia has its word out, ati can counter to the same potential buyers. IDK honestly, just a guess.

 

[ronnn]

Who said it is faster than a gtx?

 

[nitromullet]

I thought the HD 3850 is supposed to the $250ish direct competition to the 8800GT, and the HD 3870 is going to the new flag ship.

edit: I had it written as HD 3870XT, but apparently ATI dropped the Pro/XL/XT suffixes for the 3800 series.

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I'm wondering what this card is, seeing as everyone keeps saying it's "faster than a GTX" and will apparently cost around $250. So far that's about all I've heard. It apparently comes out in 2 weeks.

So...why all the fuss about this card?

honestly if they had the card beating the gtx, they would have leaked some benches or something, the silence is like.... i dunno..... a bad sign

LOL...QFT...

 

[Sylvanas]

*insert speculation on a rumour*

 

[JBT]

well IMO I think they are being hush hush with clocks etc because we don't know where the rumored and revamped GTS is going to sit either as these would be the cards competing with each other on price not the GTX.

Honestly I don't see many going for GTX cards even if they dip in price a bit once the GT is out. lets see GT is $250... SLI those bad boys for $500. I don't see the GTX dropping below $400... from here the math is pretty simple...

 

[dingetje]

most likely the 3870 will be yet another ati-release that you will not be able to actually buy in the shops typical ati....i hope they get their sh1t together on this one

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: dingetje
most likely the 3870 will be yet another ati-release that you will not be able to actually buy in the shops typical ati....i hope they get their sh1t together on this one

When was the last time YOU tried buying an ATI card?

 

[dingetje]

so you deny ati has had problems getting the suppliers stocked with newly released gfx cards? ooookay.....

 

[nonameo]

Originally posted by: dingetje
so you deny ati has had problems getting the suppliers stocked with newly released gfx cards? ooookay.....

one instance does not equal typical.

 

[Oyeve]

ATI should have never been bought by AMD. They have killed off a one-time great video card company. Thanks AMD, for taking down another company besides yourselves.

 

[Mana]

Oyeve, you do realize the screwup with the R600 was going to happen regardless of whether AMD bought ATi or not, right?

In fact, I can only see ATi's products improving due to being able to leverage the technology at AMD.

Anyway, the reason AMD is dead silent is probably to keep nVIDIA from being able to counter the R670 if it performs much better than the GT.

 

[mruffin75]

Originally posted by: Oyeve
ATI should have never been bought by AMD. They have killed off a one-time great video card company. Thanks AMD, for taking down another company besides yourselves.

What!?!?!?!?

How is this AMD's fault?? The R600 (and plans for next generations) was well put in stone before AMD acquired ATI. If anything I would expect ATI to have gone under if it wasn't for AMD buying them out..

I could've seen ATI going the way of 3dfx... going bankrupt and selling off their IP to Nvidia..

Which would have been a shame because IMO ATI have better image quality all-round than Nvidia..

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: mruffin75

Originally posted by: Oyeve
ATI should have never been bought by AMD. They have killed off a one-time great video card company. Thanks AMD, for taking down another company besides yourselves.

What!?!?!?!?

How is this AMD's fault?? The R600 (and plans for next generations) was well put in stone before AMD acquired ATI. If anything I would expect ATI to have gone under if it wasn't for AMD buying them out..

I could've seen ATI going the way of 3dfx... going bankrupt and selling off their IP to Nvidia..

Which would have been a shame because IMO ATI have better image quality all-round than Nvidia..

I used to work across the street from compaq world HQ. I knew one of their vp's and asked him why they were selling out to HP. His response? They weren't going to make it on their own so they sold out to the highest bidder. Unfortunately for AMD, they WERE the highest bidder.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: nonameo

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I'm wondering what this card is, seeing as everyone keeps saying it's "faster than a GTX" and will apparently cost around $250. So far that's about all I've heard. It apparently comes out in 2 weeks.

So...why all the fuss about this card?

honestly if they had the card beating the gtx, they would have leaked some benches or something, the silence is like.... i dunno..... a bad sign

I hate to say it, because I hate to see a one-sided fight, but QFT. I mean if AMD has something killer on the way, now is the time to let that silent but deadly loose a little.

something stinks, or nothing stinks... depending on how you want to look at it.

Maybe they are waiting for the "official" launch. This way when nvidia has its word out, ati can counter to the same potential buyers. IDK honestly, just a guess.

nVidia waited for the official lunch for a reason... that reason being that having no compeditors they could keep selling the GTS, GTX and ultra at extreme prices... even now the GTS costs more then the GT despite performing worse simply because it hasn't been long enough for people to catch on.

So nvidia made a smart business decision to keep things a surprise, it made them more money.

AMD is gonna make LESS MONEY by being SILENT if their product outperformes the GTX and costs less... if they raised a big fuss how they are comming out with a better card for less money in the comming weeks NOBODY will be buying the GT... they will all be waiting for the AMD card instead... and since people upgrade usually once a year, and it has been a year since the last batch of cards, you are looking at nvidia selling to all the people who have been waiting anxiously for monthes to buy a new card... those will will soon run out and AMD will have much less buyers.

AMD can make MORE MOENY by being SILENT if their new card underperfoms the GTS, while costing only marginly less then GT.
If they announce it now , NOONE will wait for it. People like me who are currently waiting to see what AMD has to offer will go buy the GT because they will know there is no point in waiting (since nothing is comming). But if people who were waiting for AMD were kept in the dark, when it is finally released and they are disappointed they will be able to pick between AMD and nVidia, and then it is a 50%/50% as to which they will go with (since the underperfoming part is balanced with costing slightly less).

 

[dennilfloss]

taltamir,

The enthusiast market is a drop in the bucket. AMD/ATI will make a shitload more money by providing major OEMs with cards that are good enough for the mainstream market for as cheap a price as possible. Also, a lot of people who make their own computer cannot afford the top-of-the-line flagship card of a generation but are quite happy to upgrade every two or three years for the second best performer at a reasonable price. I know that if ATI's offering in the next couple of months allows me to double the Oblivion performance of my 1900XTX (which was an aberration for me in terms of price - my previous 9500 Pro was more typical and was good enough for three years) for a couple of hundred dollars and run cooler, they'll get my money.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
taltamir,

The enthusiast market is a drop in the bucket. AMD/ATI will make a shitload more money by providing major OEMs with cards that are good enough for the mainstream market for as cheap a price as possible. Also, a lot of people who make their own computer cannot afford the top-of-the-line flagship card of a generation but are quite happy to upgrade every two or three years for the second best performer at a reasonable price. I know that if ATI's offering in the next couple of months allows me to double the Oblivion performance of my 1900XTX (which was an aberration for me in terms of price - my previous 9500 Pro was more typical and was good enough for three years) for a couple of hundred dollars and run cooler, they'll get my money.

which is a correct market assessment that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. I said that them keeping it silent is a clear indication that it is going to be less powerful due to various marketing reasons. You counter with "it being cheaper and less powerful is good for selling to OEM"... I mean, I entirely agree with you there, it is just a different topic.

I made 3 correct market assessments, you made a 4th, different but also correct market assessment...
Now if I am just being confused by the grammar here and you meant it as an addendum rather then a counter then good point.

 

[toadeater]

I remember reading ATI's DX10 roadmap back in 2006. It said their first DX10 card was due in 2008. They didn't expect the DX10 market to take off until 2008, and they were right. It might not even take off in 2008 at the rate things are going (Vista's lack of the wow).

While Nvidia was selling DOA "mid-range" cards, and a relatively small amount of high-end cards to extremists, ATI was still able to sell x9150s and even AGP cards. Right on schedule, 2008 is coming up and now the real DX10 cards are starting to appear. No more 2007 first generation 80c cards with dual-slot coolers, 200+ watt power requirements, or DX9-class cards with "DX10 support" like the 8600 and 2600 series.

 

[taltamir]

excellent observation toadeater.

 

[dennilfloss]

It was an addendum but I too read you badly. Damn my old age!:laugh:

 

[taltamir]

hi it happens... half of us are not even native english speakers... (well, half of you guys, one whole me)

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: nonameo

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I'm wondering what this card is, seeing as everyone keeps saying it's "faster than a GTX" and will apparently cost around $250. So far that's about all I've heard. It apparently comes out in 2 weeks.

So...why all the fuss about this card?

honestly if they had the card beating the gtx, they would have leaked some benches or something, the silence is like.... i dunno..... a bad sign

I hate to say it, because I hate to see a one-sided fight, but QFT. I mean if AMD has something killer on the way, now is the time to let that silent but deadly loose a little.

something stinks, or nothing stinks... depending on how you want to look at it.

Maybe they are waiting for the "official" launch. This way when nvidia has its word out, ati can counter to the same potential buyers. IDK honestly, just a guess.

nVidia waited for the official lunch for a reason... that reason being that having no compeditors they could keep selling the GTS, GTX and ultra at extreme prices... even now the GTS costs more then the GT despite performing worse simply because it hasn't been long enough for people to catch on.

So nvidia made a smart business decision to keep things a surprise, it made them more money.

AMD is gonna make LESS MONEY by being SILENT if their product outperformes the GTX and costs less... if they raised a big fuss how they are comming out with a better card for less money in the comming weeks NOBODY will be buying the GT... they will all be waiting for the AMD card instead... and since people upgrade usually once a year, and it has been a year since the last batch of cards, you are looking at nvidia selling to all the people who have been waiting anxiously for monthes to buy a new card... those will will soon run out and AMD will have much less buyers.

AMD can make MORE MOENY by being SILENT if their new card underperfoms the GTS, while costing only marginly less then GT.
If they announce it now , NOONE will wait for it. People like me who are currently waiting to see what AMD has to offer will go buy the GT because they will know there is no point in waiting (since nothing is comming). But if people who were waiting for AMD were kept in the dark, when it is finally released and they are disappointed they will be able to pick between AMD and nVidia, and then it is a 50%/50% as to which they will go with (since the underperfoming part is balanced with costing slightly less).

QFT. There is no reason whatsoever that AMD would not be shouting to the winds their performance advantage if they had one. The only reason they have to keep silent is that 8800gt is eating their lunch. I predicted a few weeks ago that one of these new cards would challenge the 8800gtx, I just predicted the WRONG one.