37 Children Dead - Latest Israeli Air Strike

[alien42]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Islamistani

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: novon
When the heck is the US going to say enough is enough? Israel seems to have a never ending bloodthirst.

Lol at the idea that Israel is bloodthirsty. Have you considered that they have been defending themselves against terrorists for decades? Have you considered that if the terrorists stopped attacking then Israel would stop fighting? Have you considered that if Israel stopped fighting, the terrorists would keep on attacking? Probably not. I bet you're perfectly happy with a short term ceasefire that does nothing to stop the flow of Hezbollah rockets into Israel.

Anyone who considers the murder of 37 children is/was an effort to stop Hezbollah is a total whackjob. Where exactly are the Hezbollah fighters, and/or their weaponry? All I see is 54 INNOCENT civilians dead.

All I see is finger pointing democrats like you with fingers pointed and no real idea of how to stop any wars. You are as bad as the christians who think all you need is Jesus and peace will just all of a sudden happen.

How about an actual idea to support your side instead of just "War is bad, STOP IT"

how many innocent people have died since the US failed to agree with the rest of the world last week by not agreeing to a cease fire? if condi would have said "war is bad, stop it" there would be fewer people dead on both sides.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: dexvx
510 Lebanese dead. 1/3 are Children.
50ish Israeli's dead. 2/3 are Soliders.
Enough said.

You're right, enough said. It shows that Israeli troops do not hide among a civillian population, while Hezbollah brings war to the very people it professes to care about.

Thats one option.

The other option is that Israel is rather careless about their targetting. I dont think Israel intends on killing civilians. However, I do not think Israel would give a second thought to any "suspected" hideouts. However, I do find it quite repetitive that Israel is using the "Hezbollah is hiding there!" rhetoric waaaayyy too much. If you're coming from an outsider's POV, it gets really far-stretched.

I dont know how the IDF intends to purge Lebanon of Hezbollah, but it seems to me that the way they are doing that is by destroying Lebanon first.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: dexvx
510 Lebanese dead. 1/3 are Children.

50ish Israeli's dead. 2/3 are Soliders.


Enough said.

So then if 2/3 of the dead Israelis are Solders... then the other 1/3rd is?

Killer argument you got there.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: oO beetlejuice Oo

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: dexvx
510 Lebanese dead. 1/3 are Children.
50ish Israeli's dead. 2/3 are Soliders.
Enough said.

You're right, enough said. It shows that Israeli troops do not hide among a civillian population, while Hezbollah brings war to the very people it professes to care about.

Why are you so convinced that Lebanese are evil and Israeli's are perfect global citizens?

To me it shows that Israeli's have learned to mimick their former oppressors (Nazis) and are becoming like them in every way.

I think an education on Germany in the 40's is in order. What kind of sick comparison is this much-used Nazi example? Do you have any idea what the Nazis did? Being an optimist I will just assume that you are not real familiar with it.

I never said Israel is perfect, no country in the world is. I am absolutely convinced that they are fighting a just war though.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: dexvx
510 Lebanese dead. 1/3 are Children.

50ish Israeli's dead. 2/3 are Soliders.


Enough said.

So then if 2/3 of the dead Israelis are Solders... then the other 1/3rd is?

Killer argument you got there.

Ok let me break down the arguement to you.

1/3 Israeli deaths = Civilians. Thats a 1:2 civilian/soldier fataility rate.
IDF has only confirmed about 60ish Hezbollah deaths. Thats a 9:1 civilian/soldier fatality rate.

Like ThePresence says, you can deduce one of 2 outcomes to explain this:

1) Hezbollah targets military, not civilian. Israel is intent on killing civilians.
2) Hezbollah is unable to kill civilians. Hezbollah is hiding amoungst civilians.

 

[oO beetlejuice Oo]

As an outside POV it's interesting to see how many American's are brainwashed by their media to believe what the government wants them to believe.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: dexvx
510 Lebanese dead. 1/3 are Children.
50ish Israeli's dead. 2/3 are Soliders.
Enough said.

You're right, enough said. It shows that Israeli troops do not hide among a civillian population, while Hezbollah brings war to the very people it professes to care about.

Thats one option.

The other option is that Israel is rather careless about their targetting. I dont think Israel intends on killing civilians. However, I do not think Israel would give a second thought to any "suspected" hideouts. However, I do find it quite repetitive that Israel is using the "Hezbollah is hiding there!" rhetoric waaaayyy too much. If you're coming from an outsider's POV, it gets really far-stretched.

It may seem that way, true. But when you realize that Hezbollah is actually hiding all over southern Lebanon, you see what they mean. They are everywhere in the area. And it may sound old and tired, but they DO attack from behind civillians HOPING that the Israelis hit the civillians mistakenly so that they can have another huge PR success.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: dexvx
510 Lebanese dead. 1/3 are Children.

50ish Israeli's dead. 2/3 are Soliders.


Enough said.

So then if 2/3 of the dead Israelis are Solders... then the other 1/3rd is?

Killer argument you got there.

Ok let me break down the arguement to you.

1/3 Israeli deaths = Civilians. Thats a 1:2 civilian/soldier fataility rate.
IDF has only confirmed about 60ish Hezbollah deaths. Thats a 9:1 civilian/soldier fatality rate.

Like ThePresence says, you can deduce one of 2 outcomes to explain this:

1) Hezbollah targets military, not civilian. Israel is intent on killing civilians.
2) Hezbollah is unable to kill civilians. Hezbollah is hiding amoungst civilians.

THe IDF claims to have killed well over 400 Hezbollah fighters so far, I don't know where you get 60 from. They said that they killed over 70 just on Saturday alone.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
THe IDF claims to have killed well over 400 Hezbollah fighters so far, I don't know where you get 60 from. They said that they killed over 70 just on Saturday alone.

Only 60ish confirmed Hezbollah deaths (aka with body).

 

[oO beetlejuice Oo]

Seeing some of these biased and unfairly formed views here. I have to ask.

Israel pwns America?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: ThePresence
THe IDF claims to have killed well over 400 Hezbollah fighters so far, I don't know where you get 60 from. They said that they killed over 70 just on Saturday alone.

Only 60ish confirmed Hezbollah deaths (aka with body).

Well, yeah. They're not really about to pull out Hezbollah bodies under fire.
Hezbollah claims to have lost about 30 fighters.
Who do you find more believable?

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Islamistani

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: novon
When the heck is the US going to say enough is enough? Israel seems to have a never ending bloodthirst.

Lol at the idea that Israel is bloodthirsty. Have you considered that they have been defending themselves against terrorists for decades? Have you considered that if the terrorists stopped attacking then Israel would stop fighting? Have you considered that if Israel stopped fighting, the terrorists would keep on attacking? Probably not. I bet you're perfectly happy with a short term ceasefire that does nothing to stop the flow of Hezbollah rockets into Israel.

Anyone who considers the murder of 37 children is/was an effort to stop Hezbollah is a total whackjob. Where exactly are the Hezbollah fighters, and/or their weaponry? All I see is 54 INNOCENT civilians dead.

All I see is finger pointing democrats like you with fingers pointed and no real idea of how to stop any wars. You are as bad as the christians who think all you need is Jesus and peace will just all of a sudden happen.

How about an actual idea to support your side instead of just "War is bad, STOP IT"

how many innocent people have died since the US failed to agree with the rest of the world last week by not agreeing to a cease fire? if condi would have said "war is bad, stop it" there would be fewer people dead on both sides.

You are saying Hezbollah really would have ceased fire? :laugh:

 

[oO beetlejuice Oo]

I definately would not believe Israeli's side. It's been proven that they would lie and deceive to gain an advantage.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: oO beetlejuice Oo
I definately would not believe Israeli's side. It's been proven that they would lie and deceive to gain an advantage.

I see. So will every country in the world.
And is Hezbollah is this great beacon of truth in your opinion?

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: ThePresence
THe IDF claims to have killed well over 400 Hezbollah fighters so far, I don't know where you get 60 from. They said that they killed over 70 just on Saturday alone.

Only 60ish confirmed Hezbollah deaths (aka with body).

Well, yeah. They're not really about to pull out Hezbollah bodies under fire.
Hezbollah claims to have lost about 30 fighters.
Who do you find more believable?

Given that Israel said they killed Hezbollah's leader during that massive air strike and we saw him within a few hours, I can attest to the inadequacies of IDF intelligence. Hezbollah AND Israel both have a vested interest in propaganda. I think the IDF is overestimating (almost to the tune of every male killed in South Lebanon = Hezbollah Fighter) and Hezbollah is covering up their losses.

BTW, I'm still looking for some recent verified news reports on Hezbollah fatalities. Last I heard it was 250ish Israeli estimate and 33 Hezbollah.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: ThePresence
THe IDF claims to have killed well over 400 Hezbollah fighters so far, I don't know where you get 60 from. They said that they killed over 70 just on Saturday alone.

Only 60ish confirmed Hezbollah deaths (aka with body).

Well, yeah. They're not really about to pull out Hezbollah bodies under fire.
Hezbollah claims to have lost about 30 fighters.
Who do you find more believable?

Given that Israel said they killed Hezbollah's leader during that massive air strike and we saw him within a few hours, I can attest to the inadequacies of IDF intelligence. Hezbollah AND Israel both have a vested interest in propaganda. I think the IDF is overestimating (almost to the tune of every male killed in South Lebanon = Hezbollah Fighter) and Hezbollah is covering up their losses.

BTW, I'm still looking for some recent verified news reports on Hezbollah fatalities. Last I heard it was 250ish Israeli estimate and 33 Hezbollah.

For the record, Israel NEVER said they killed Nasrallah. Never. They said they hit a bunker in which he may have been hiding and they said countless times that they have to wait to see if he was hit.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'verified'. Hezbollah does not announce their losses, it's part of their psychwarfare.

 

[oO beetlejuice Oo]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: oO beetlejuice Oo
I definately would not believe Israeli's side. It's been proven that they would lie and deceive to gain an advantage.

I see. So will every country in the world.
And is Hezbollah is this great beacon of truth in your opinion?

No Hezbollah is not a great beacon of truth. But you can hardly argue that Israel and it's Ally, America is the beacon of truth either. The truth lies between the two extremes.

Perhaps you need to watch BBC and Reuters news reports and not CNN and ABC - you might discover that you're opinions aren't built on as solid a foundation as you have built up in your mind.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: dexvx
510 Lebanese dead. 1/3 are Children.

50ish Israeli's dead. 2/3 are Soliders.


Enough said.

So then if 2/3 of the dead Israelis are Solders... then the other 1/3rd is?

Killer argument you got there.

Ok let me break down the arguement to you.

1/3 Israeli deaths = Civilians. Thats a 1:2 civilian/soldier fataility rate.
IDF has only confirmed about 60ish Hezbollah deaths. Thats a 9:1 civilian/soldier fatality rate.

Like ThePresence says, you can deduce one of 2 outcomes to explain this:

1) Hezbollah targets military, not civilian. Israel is intent on killing civilians.
2) Hezbollah is unable to kill civilians. Hezbollah is hiding amoungst civilians.

I'll take option 2 then and also add that Hezbollah's weapons are not even effective at killing ant hills. And lets also add that Israeli's are humans.. and humans unlike you make mistakes.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: oO beetlejuice Oo

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: oO beetlejuice Oo
I definately would not believe Israeli's side. It's been proven that they would lie and deceive to gain an advantage.

I see. So will every country in the world.
And is Hezbollah is this great beacon of truth in your opinion?

No Hezbollah is not a great beacon of truth. But you can hardly argue that Israel and it's Ally, America is the beacon of truth either. The truth lies between the two extremes.

Perhaps you need to watch BBC and Reuters news reports and not CNN and ABC - you might discover that you're opinions aren't built on as solid a foundation as you have built up in your mind.

Hezbollah believes that Israel is responsible for the spread of AIDS in the Arab world. Do you believe that? They said so on Al-Manar many times.

My opinions are not formed from any media outlet, certainly not BBC. I've seen firsthand how they twist news stories. My opinions come from having lived in the region for years and from having served in the military there and seeing things myself, not relying on whatever media twist there may be. Don't fool yourself, every media outlet has an agenda.

 

[oO beetlejuice Oo]

ThePresence you really need to stop kissing Israeli ass and open your eyes. You're so full of your own worthiness that I can smell the stench all the way here - and I'm on a different continent.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
I'll take option 2 then and also add that Hezbollah's weapons are not even effective at killing ant hills. And lets also add that Israeli's are humans.. and humans unlike you make mistakes.

Humans unlike me make mistakes? Sorry I never said I was god.

I'm more questioning the frequency of mistakes. Unless the IDF has gotten ungodly bad luck or poor intelligence, its hard to stomache/believe making on the order of 2-3 mistakes per day.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: oO beetlejuice Oo

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: oO beetlejuice Oo
I definately would not believe Israeli's side. It's been proven that they would lie and deceive to gain an advantage.

I see. So will every country in the world.
And is Hezbollah is this great beacon of truth in your opinion?

No Hezbollah is not a great beacon of truth. But you can hardly argue that Israel and it's Ally, America is the beacon of truth either. The truth lies between the two extremes.

Perhaps you need to watch BBC and Reuters news reports and not CNN and ABC - you might discover that you're opinions aren't built on as solid a foundation as you have built up in your mind.

So who does the BBC say is the beacon of truth? cause as far as I'm concerned any government ran by humans is full of $h!t and always takes personal gain first.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: oO beetlejuice Oo
ThePresence you really need to stop kissing Israeli ass and open your eyes. You're so full of your own worthiness that I can smell the stench all the way here - and I'm on a different continent.

I don't know which continent you're on, but I imagine it's not in the mideast. I have lived there, I've experienced what goes on there. I've been at scenes of suicide bombings and seen a steaming human ribcage in an apple stand, have you? I've seen things and formed opinions from what I've seen, not relying on media biases as you seem to be.

 

[oO beetlejuice Oo]

I said, the truth lies between the two extremes.

 

[CHOPPER GOD]

Anyone who considers the murder of 37 children is/was an effort to stop Hezbollah is a total whackjob. Where exactly are the Hezbollah fighters, and/or their weaponry? All I see is 54 INNOCENT civilians dead.[/quote]

Im sorry if you live in QANA, Lebanon and STAYED THERE until what, day 18 now!
I guaruntee you that if my family was destitue with NO car and NO MONEY...Me and my wife and kids would be the FRICK outta QANA, Lebanon within 2 days.
It's there fault for staying there and trust me, they AINT innocent....
Imagine you are poverty stricken broke and no car, BUT, Adolf Hitler puts up a free hospitol for you and pays for your kids to go to school and pays your rent if you let him 'keep a missle or 2 in that spare bedroom' its a interesting position.
They arent innocent and the blood of the 'innocent' children falls on the hands of thier parents poor decisions....just like it does everywhere else on the planet.