32x CD Burners...worth the premium over 24x??

dvdchance

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I'm just looking to get some opinions on the 32x burners, are they worth the $20 - 30 premium over the 24x burners??

I just got a 24x Digital research branded AOpen (Ricoh) 24x10x40 burner last week for $79.99 after MIR, $90 out the door.

This week I see that a few places have 32x burners for $100 after MIR, $130 out the door. This is for a BusLink branded LiteOn drive.

From what I read, the 32x drives are just a few seconds faster then the 24's due to the way the z-clv zones are setup, ie 4 zones vs 3 for 24x drives, as well as the lead-in and out writing times.
 

meaty

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Now the question would be , are the 40x worth the extra $ over the 32x & 24x?
 

4824guy

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As it has been pointed out, the difference between 24x and 32x burning is very little, and that amount of time is personally not worth the extra cost for me. The people buying the faster cd-rws right now are usually the people that want the absolute fastest and best currently available and have the money to pay for it.
 

dvdchance

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Thats the way I'm starting to think as well. I just went from a 8x to 24x, so to me the speed is great. I just thought maybe 32x would be a worthwhile improvement.

The only thing good is the 32x drives seem to have 12x rewrite, and I use CDRW's quite a bit in my mp3 player.
 

Trader05

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Does anyone know the times for each step up? I know this so far from my drives:

4x - 20 mins
8x - 10 mins
12x - ?
16x - 5 mins
24x - ?
32x - ?
40x - ?

Little above, but not by much, about 15 secs or so. Anyone fill in the blanks?
 

bravesfan258

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Assuming that the maximum rated burn speed is reached for the duration of a burn (which it isn't, since the max speed is only reached in certain 'zones'), CD Burners will burn a complete 80 minute CD in 80*(1/X) minutes, where X = the burn speed. Thus...

4x - 20 mins
8x - 10 mins
12x - 6.67 mins (80*1/12)
16x - 5 mins
24x - 3.33 mins
32x - 2.5 mins
40x - 2.0 mins
80x - 1 minute
160x - 30 seconds
...

In reality, the speed gains will be even less, since burners don't operate at full rated speed for the duration of the burn. I wouldn't spend the extra $ unless you want to show off.

My $.02
 

Rand

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Definitely not, even if the 32X Writer wrote at it's maximum speed throughout the CD it would only save you about 45 seconds, and considering that burners faster that 16X all only write at their maximum speed for a portion of the CD the real world difference between 24X and even 40X is less then 30 seconds in most cases.

Unless your going ot be bruning 20 CD's a day I wouldnt dream of buying anything faster then 24X, in fact I personally probably wouldnt go beynd 16X.
 

Vernor

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Perhaps, if you're running a pirating ring in Asia..


I'd much rather see price levels fall, but it looks like the industry keeps raising the bar on entry-level to make a profit.
 

joeryu

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if buying a new one, then sure y not go for the fastest out there, it isnt that much more expensive. however, upgrading from a 24x to a 32x is a complete waste of money
 

human2k

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depending on where u obtain ur drive, it might be worth it............for example at newegg the 24x10x40 OEM drive is $85, where as the 32x12x40 RETAIL drive is $10 more. For those $10 u get a 12x rewrite, a few secs faster cd-r speed, and a shiney box.:D But if already have a 24x cd-r drive and are upgrading to 32/40x, all i can say is you must be stoopid;).
 

sharkeeper

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283x = 16 seconds [clocked!]

PODR starts kicking in above 20x. 40x drives are very picky with current media as well. My Yamaha 24X (3200) burns even 8X communist-usa media at 24X! :)

Cheers!
 

jonmcc33

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Now the question would be , are the 40x worth the extra $ over the 32x & 24x?

To me it is since 24X burners start at about 10X and burn max at 24X. 40X burners start at 20X and max at 40X.

From the reviews I've seen it takes about two minutes to burn a 700MB CD-R.

I got the 40x12x48 Lite On CD-RW to upgrade from my 4x4x32 Teac CD-RW, so I'm not really that "stoopid".
 

TheWart

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I bought a Plextor 16x to upgrade from my Creative 4x. Let me tell you, the 16x is BALZING fast, and with burnproof, I really dont see a need to go faster than 5 minutes, I mean, you can almost play games while you burn, so you arnt really losing productivity. Also, 32x media is kinda expensive, and hard to find quality brands IMO.
 

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<< Now the question would be , are the 40x worth the extra $ over the 32x & 24x?

To me it is since 24X burners start at about 10X and burn max at 24X. 40X burners start at 20X and max at 40X.

From the reviews I've seen it takes about two minutes to burn a 700MB CD-R.

I got the 40x12x48 Lite On CD-RW to upgrade from my 4x4x32 Teac CD-RW, so I'm not really that "stoopid".
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I meant people who are upgrading from a 24x buner to a 32x drive. Not you, your quite intelligent.:D
 

billw

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I went from a 10x to a Lite-On 32x cd/rw. The 40x recorders had just come out from plextor at the time. I think it was worth the extra 18 bucks or so over the 24x. I couldn't, however, justify spending anther 60 bucks for the Plextor 40x from the Lite-On 32x.

If I had a 24x already, I don't think I would have upgraded.
 

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<< 283x = 16 seconds [clocked!]

PODR starts kicking in above 20x. 40x drives are very picky with current media as well. My Yamaha 24X (3200) burns even 8X communist-usa media at 24X!

Cheers!
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Too bad that was Hard Drive to Hard Drive copying (compiling an image) :).
 

alphatarget1

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i have 3 burners with me, one 4/4/16 (actually reads at 40x for some reason), 8/4/32, 16/10/40,

hell, 16x is g00d enough, it's only 5 minutes... 8x is really enough IMO if you don't burn CDs all the time
 

Anubis

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my 16x yamaha is fast enuf for me. i can wait the 30 seconds longer it takes me to burn a CD rathen then buy a faster burner
 

LXi

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<<24x - 3.33 mins*
32x - 2.5 mins*
40x - 2.0 mins*>>


*Note: In a perfect world only. You can always dream about those times. But the reality is, there is no way to achieve CLV at 24x, 32x and 40x. All manufacturers have taken approaches to "solve" that problem, most of them chose to use the Zone-CLV(Z-CLV) technolgy, which basically means the burning is divided in to zones and each zone is written at a certain speed. For a 40x CD-RW, the drive starts writing the first zone at 20x. At about the 10 minute mark, writing pauses then starts the second zone with the speed increased to 24x. At the 30 minute mark, the writing pause again then enter the third zone with the speed up to 32x. Finally at about the 58 minute mark, the drive enters into the final zone and achieves its maximum writing speed of 40x. So, "40x" really is incredibly misleading because the drive ends up with an average writing speed of just about 30x. In a Z-CLV environment, the increments look more like this:

16x - 5 mins
24x - 4 mins
32x - 3 mins 40 secs
40x - 3 mins 25 secs

The other type of technology is called Partial-CAV(P-CAV), only Yamaha utilizes this technolgy right now. It's essentially the same idea as Z-CLV, writing starts at a slower speed, increases the speed as the time goes by, and finally reaching the maximum at a certain point. But the advantage of P-CAV is that it does not have any "zones" like Z-CLV. If I can use one or two words to describe the difference, make the words "slope" and "steps", the Z-CLV takes steps to reach its maximum speed, while the P-CAV takes an upward slope to reach the maximum. P-CAV creates a higher overall averange speed than the Z-CLV; the results are evident, 24x Z-CLV burners take around 4 minutes to burn a 650MB CD, a 24x P-CAV burner shaves 10 seconds off and finishes a 650MB CD in 3 mins 50 secs.

Im afraid we will only see P-CAV and Z-CLV burners from now on; true CLV burning is just impossible to do in high speeds like 40x. So, because of this, the improvements in the burning times will be less and less. As you can see, you only save about 15-20 seconds going from 24x to 32x, or from 32x to 40x. I think we've pretty much squeezed all the juice out of the current technologies(Z-CLV), unless the manufacturers think of a new way to improve speed, Im afraid the improvements just won't be impressive enough for everyone to upgrade.
 

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Also keep in mind that you will probably have to buy more expensive media to get the full speed out of the drive. When I got my 24x, we only carried one brand of CD-Rs in that speed, and they were like $5 more a spindle than 16xs(though sometimes you can get away with burning them above their rated speed, I doubt that 24x CD-Rs will burnt at 32x, let alone 40x). Basically, you will be spending more for the drive, and prob more for the faster-rated media to make yourself feel better about spending so much on the drive. My 24x TDK will do a full CD in about 3 minutes and change, and thats pretty damn fast. Save the extra cash for a DVD burner for next year;)
 

KerryMunro

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Remember that you will also need some kick ass hardware to get that burner running up to speed!
On my Athlon 1.3ghz my 20/10/40 Ricoh burner probably never hits 20X, more likely it burns around 16X...
 

RaiderJ

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I daRemember that you will also need some kick ass hardware to get that burner running up to speed!

I disagree. My Pentium I @ 180Mhz burns more than fine at 24x. If you can't get above 16x, then you need to reconfigure something (DMA maybe?).
 

Mavrick007

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If you have a 24x burner now, then don't get anything faster until the technology changes which allows you to start and maintain a constant speed or different formats come into use. If you have a 12x or above, chances are that it's fast enough for you. It's not really worth the price difference just for a bit more speed.

Hehe Now I have an older 4x2x24 cdrw so I am going to buy myself a Plextor 40x12x40 drive cause I deserve it ;)