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3000+ Barton or 3000+ Sempron (Considering XP-M also)

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ssvegeta1010

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My friend wants to upgrade his Socket A system, and I am wondering which is generally better for gaming, the Athlon XP 3000+ 400 FSB of the Sempron 3000+ 333 FSB.
The RAM would have to be DDR333 [may be DDR 400 now] either way.

The main use of this computer wull probably be gaming (obviously not Doom 3 at 1600 X 1200, but HL2 may likely be played)

So does anyone have some benches, data, experience, etc.

Edit: His board does support 400FSB, and mobile XPs.

Motherboard
 
What is he upgrading from? IMO, getting a new proc for Socket A is stupid now. If he has a decent chip, he should overclock it for now and wait to get an A64.
 
I know that a new Socket A processor isnt that great of an idea, but his budget is kinda tight now, so Socket A is his choice.
Also, should he just get a XP-M 2600+ with a good HSF and over clock it?

Ill add a poll to the original post.
 
Get a 35Watt AXP-M 2400+ and OC it. Make sure you have quality RAM, PSU, and Motherboard.

As for the original question the Barton will perform better.

-Kevin
 
Get an XP-M 2200+. Same chip, but cheaper. That's a good option too, but you'll want DDR400 so you can run synchronous at 200MHz FSB. Make sure the mobo is good and can handle this.
 
So I guess ill tell him to pick up a mobile XP with some decent DDR400.

Anyone else have comments? (I need to convince him that a mobile is the way to go)
 
Originally posted by: ts3433
Get an XP-M 2200+. Same chip, but cheaper. That's a good option too, but you'll want DDR400 so you can run synchronous at 200MHz FSB. Make sure the mobo is good and can handle this.
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I've not had one yet that wouldn't do 2.2-2.3GHz without a hitch. Why waste money on more expensive chips that will run slower?


The one thing you don't mention is the mobo and chipset used. On an nForce2, the XP-M's are unlocked but I've never tried them with other boards (like the Via's KT series) so you might want to check on that FIRST.

Joe
 
There is a mobo link at the top. Its a Biostar Nforce2.

So he should get an XP-M 2200+? 2400+? 2600+?

What would the PSU requirement be for that? A quality 350W?

And are there any recommendations for a good Socket A heatsink?

EDIT: Also ill tell him to get DDR400 for use with the overclocked XP-M.
 
I'm running an overclocked 2400+ on the Antec SL350 that came with my case. However, it doesn't have enough 12V amperage to accomodate a real gaming card (I have a 9600), and so I would get a something like a Seasonic Super Silencer 350W, with a good 19A on that rail. Also consider some Fortrons in that range.

I found a Zalman 3100Plus for somewhat cheap ($25) a while ago, but you'd be fine for at least the standard 11x200 overclock (probably more) with a $15 Speeze FalconRock.
 
Originally posted by: AnandThenMan
The Sempron has SS2 which can be useful. I say go with the Sempron.
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No. All Semprons except for the 3100+ (Socket 754; and he's looking at Socket A only due to budget) are just rebadged Thoroughbreds/Thortons. They don't have SSE2, and I'm not sure how much of a real-world performance benefit that would bring anyway.
 
If the general opinion is for the XP 2200+, then I will tell him to get the 2400+, as it is cheaper from NewEgg and it cant do anything worse.

and thanks for all the answered questions, ts.
 
ts3433 really? No SSE2 on the socket 462 Semprons? That sucks, thanks for the info. It is only really good for encoding, if that is your thing.

They should not call them Semprons then huh.
 
I am seeing lots of votes for the XP-M 2500+ instead of the 2400+, but it doesnt make much sense to pay $9 for an extra .03 Ghz. It seems better to pay $15 more for a 2 Ghz XP-M 2600+
 
Get the slowest XP-M that is still a Barton Core (Newegg.com are good at tellign you what the core is).

I have a 2400+ XP-M in my Abit VIA KT266A MB running at 2.133 GHz (133 / 266 x ???). the maximum multiply for my MB was 13x 133 so I used thin strands of wire dropped in the MB CPU Socket to short specific adjacent pin holes - to force a higher multiplier and then dropped the CPU in. worked like a charm.

Can any of you with Nforce 2 Dual channel MB's help me with my first post? could you drop your dual channel ram to PC2100 speads and let me know the performance diffence you get?
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...2467&enterthread=y
 
Take the 2400+, since it's cheaper than the 2200+ and it'll overclock very easily to the speeds of the mobile 2500+ and 2600+.
 
I ve just noticed that there are two XP-M 2400+s on NewEgg, one 35 Watt and one 45 Watt.
Will the 35 Watt OC better? enough to justify the $30 price difference?
 
Ok, that $30 could be much better spent on a video card anyway.

So, a good Socket A HSF with some AS5 on the core will cool it fine, right?

Does a bare processor have to be cleaned with alcohol before applying the AS5?
 
Originally posted by: Prince of Persia
I'm in the same boat here, so if we get 2200+ (1.667) and overclock to around 2.2 ghz is that the rough equivalent of a 3000+?
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11x200 = 2.2GHz = XP 3200+. Consider the 2400+ 45W, because I guess it's a tad cheaper.

Originally posted by: ssvegeta1010
Ok, that $30 could be much better spent on a video card anyway.

So, a good Socket A HSF with some AS5 on the core will cool it fine, right?

Does a bare processor have to be cleaned with alcohol before applying the AS5?
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Yeah, a cheap Speeze FalconRock (about $12 at Newegg) would be fine.

I didn't use alcohol to clean off my bare 2400+ when I got it and I've had no problems. You can still do it if you want, just to make sure.
 
does anyone know the warranty on OEM? there's a referubished 2200+ that's cheaper, and curious about the warranty difference or should i play it safe with the normal oem.
 
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