30 Years of Conservative Nonsense

[OutHouse]

So why are you participating in this thread at all, other than to troll?

In that, you've done exactly what the author claims is a major flaw of Conservative behavior-

dude you are the one of the top trolls on here.

 

[Abwx]

...so they guy who invented the infant ventilator, Forrest Bird, subsequently dropping breathing related infant mortality from 70% to 10%, whose ventilators are still used to save lives the world over...

You don't think he created $500,000 worth of goods per year?

Try, alone, to create 500,000$ worth of goods, it s impossible, now you can have 100 slaves working fot you and then you could claim that you produced 10 millions $ worth of goods but actualy you produced about nothing.

People who are advocating for conservatism should buy a piece of land and rely only on themselves for everything, but no, they cant, they need the goods produced by a socialized system, now that this system is benefiting mainly to a minority is another matter.

 

[Zaap]

Try, alone, to create 500,000$ worth of goods, it s impossible, now you can have 100 slaves working fot you and then you could claim that you produced 10 millions $ worth of goods but actualy you produced about nothing.

People who are advocating for conservatism should buy a piece of land and rely only on themselves for everything, but no, they cant, they need the goods produced by a socialized system, now that this system is benefiting mainly to a minority is another matter.

I know people who've produced more then $500,000, routinely, using a typewriter and a stack of paper in the old days, and a laptop and internet connection today.

 

[thraashman]

I know people who've produced more then $500,000, routinely, using a typewriter and a stack of paper in the old days, and a laptop and internet connection today.

You mean the internet that owes its existence to massive public funding and what's known as the Gore bill.

 

[Zaap]

You mean the internet that owes its existence to massive public funding and what's known as the Gore bill.

So since Al Gore invented the Internet for you, surely you're able to conjure up $500,000 from it out of the blue on a regular basis, right?

Kind of like how Obama's roads and bridges automatically made people successful.

Also.you failed to explain away using a typewriter/laptop and a stack of paper as another gift of your statist masters.

 

[Jhhnn]

dude you are the one of the top trolls on here.

Zero content, other than derision. Your usual.

 

[ivwshane]

dude you are the one of the top trolls on here.

Says the guy with 30,000 posts with all P&N posts consisting of one sentence or less.

Troll on moron, troll on!

 

[OverVolt]

Tax cuts can indeed pay for themselves. If you lower sales tax lower than your neighboring state the increased sales volume can offset the lower tax. Just one example but it almost universally applies. Raise city taxes and everyone flees, thats how you become Detroit. You can't just raise taxes like its a panacea of never ending money that fixes all budget problems.

 

[Matt1970]

Tax cuts can indeed pay for themselves. If you lower sales tax lower than your neighboring state the increased sales volume can offset the lower tax. Just one example but it almost universally applies. Raise city taxes and everyone flees, thats how you become Detroit. You can't just raise taxes like its a panacea of never ending money that fixes all budget problems.

They can, but there are diminish returns and at some point taxes become too low and revenue suffers.

 

[bshole]

I know people who've produced more then $500,000, routinely, using a typewriter and a stack of paper in the old days, and a laptop and internet connection today.

No you don't.

 

[Atreus21]

Try, alone, to create 500,000$ worth of goods, it s impossible, now you can have 100 slaves working fot you and then you could claim that you produced 10 millions $ worth of goods but actualy you produced about nothing.

By alone, you mean with literally no one else.

...in which case, $500,000 is meaningless anyway. I could create a mud pie from the dirt in my backyard and say it's worth $500,000. And with no one else around, it's worth whatever I say it's worth because I'm not able to trade it.

Goods only have value in terms of what two trading partners agree on. The whole nature of prices is that they fluctuate according to supply and demand, and that is determined by groups of people who value things differently. If you are truly alone, $500,000 might as well by $0.05, or $5,000,000.

People who are advocating for conservatism should buy a piece of land and rely only on themselves for everything, but no, they cant, they need the goods produced by a socialized system, now that this system is benefiting mainly to a minority is another matter.

A socialized system? You mean the system that capitalism has created by which everyone, working in their own interest and of their own free will, is inadvertently serving their fellow citizens?

If that's a socialized system, then capitalism has produced the socialist paradise far better than socialism ever did, without a massive bureaucratic state and without the millions slaughtered because they couldn't be re-educated about what's good for them.

 

[Lash444]

By alone, you mean with literally no one else.

...in which case, $500,000 is meaningless anyway. I could create a mud pie from the dirt in my backyard and say it's worth $500,000. And with no one else around, it's worth whatever I say it's worth because I'm not able to trade it.

Goods only have value in terms of what two trading partners agree on. The whole nature of prices is that they fluctuate according to supply and demand, and that is determined by groups of people who value things differently. If you are truly alone, $500,000 might as well by $0.05, or $5,000,000.



A socialized system? You mean the system that capitalism has created by which everyone, working in their own interest and of their own free will, is inadvertently serving their fellow citizens?

If that's a socialized system, then capitalism has produced the socialist paradise far better than socialism ever did, without a massive bureaucratic state and without the millions slaughtered because they couldn't be re-educated about what's good for them.

Remember when Obama said "You didn't build that" and the R took it out of context. Can you explain to me why he was saying that a single person couldn't take credit for a business again? I'm curious how you will spin this after your quoted statement.

 

[Atreus21]

Remember when Obama said "You didn't build that" and the R took it out of context. Can you explain to me why he was saying that a single person couldn't take credit for a business again? I'm curious how you will spin this after your quoted statement.

Not sure I understand what you mean. Can I explain what he said? No, because what he said was nonsense. It's tantamount to saying that a lawyer didn't really win his trial because he used a computer that I configured for him. Or that I didn't really write a Pulitzer prize winning piece of fiction because someone else built the keyboard I typed on.

Of course people helped along the way, whether they knew it or not. That doesn't mean I didn't actually produce what I set out to produce.

The irony is that leftists use the very success of the capitalist system (people who don't know each other contributing to a common product of their own volition) as an argument for the increasing intrusion of government.

 

[bshole]

The irony is that leftists use the very success of the capitalist system (people who don't know each other contributing to a common product of their own volition) as an argument for the increasing intrusion of government.

America is very very very far removed from true capitalism. Against the wishes of conservatives, liberals had the government interfere with the right of corporations to dump toxic waste into the environment, to expose employees to hazardous work conditions, to pay slave labor rates, to provide dangerous untested products to the public, etc.... Self-monitoring capitalism is the wet dream of all true conservatives and the nightmare of progressives.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not sure I understand what you mean. Can I explain what he said? No, because what he said was nonsense. It's tantamount to saying that a lawyer didn't really win his trial because he used a computer that I configured for him. Or that I didn't really write a Pulitzer prize winning piece of fiction because someone else built the keyboard I typed on.

Of course people helped along the way, whether they knew it or not. That doesn't mean I didn't actually produce what I set out to produce.

The irony is that leftists use the very success of the capitalist system (people who don't know each other contributing to a common product of their own volition) as an argument for the increasing intrusion of government.

Heh. None of that excuses Right wing insistence that they did it all on their own, like building an empire from nothing but a cow path & hard work, or that they're like the first human who discovered how to chip flint. Society & govt have rather provided a platform from which to begin. You know, all the minor details like fire & police protection, running water, roads, sanitation, schools & a lot of other stuff. Insignificant, really, at least in the minds of self important chest thumpers.

And no, you didn't build that. All the people who paid taxes built that. The fact that we stand on the shoulders of giants has no meaning for the Right.

Intrusion of govt? Like conservatives' penchant for intruding into our sex lives & reproductive rights? Like the WoD? Like strict voter ID requirements? Or maybe like making it easy for business to stymie unions?

 

[Atreus21]

Heh. None of that excuses Right wing insistence that they did it all on their own, like building an empire from nothing but a cow path & hard work, or that they're like the first human who discovered how to chip flint. Society & govt have rather provided a platform from which to begin. You know, all the minor details like fire & police protection, running water, roads, sanitation, schools & a lot of other stuff. Insignificant, really, at least in the minds of self important chest thumpers.

So wait. Did the fireman who saved the baby from the burning building actually save the baby from the burning building? Or did no one (and everyone) do that too?

I think I'm going to get a bumper sticker that says something like, "You didn't earn that car" - Barack Obama. You guys really have a knack for discouraging people from trying to accomplish anything truly great in their life. You deny them even the pride of ownership.

Next time I try to make my lawn look nice, I'll remind myself that liberals ought to be doing all this work, not me, since they'll just take credit for it anyway.

 

[Jhhnn]

So wait. Did the fireman who saved the baby from the burning building actually save the baby from the burning building? Or did no one (and everyone) do that too?

I think I'm going to get a bumper sticker that says something like, "You didn't earn that car" - Barack Obama. You guys really have a knack for discouraging people from trying to accomplish anything truly great in their life. You deny them even the pride of ownership.

Next time I try to make my lawn look nice, I'll remind myself that liberals ought to be doing all this work, not me, since they'll just take credit for it anyway.

And I think you're reaching for Denial in absurdity. And, I mean, hey, if you can't employ reason, apply ridicule. Tell us about how your panties are all scrunched up & how it's our fault.

The rest? Just trying to remind you that you're not Merriweather Lewis, blazing a trail through the wilderness, or John Galt, either.

 

[ivwshane]

So wait. Did the fireman who saved the baby from the burning building actually save the baby from the burning building? Or did no one (and everyone) do that too?

I think I'm going to get a bumper sticker that says something like, "You didn't earn that car" - Barack Obama. You guys really have a knack for discouraging people from trying to accomplish anything truly great in their life. You deny them even the pride of ownership.

Next time I try to make my lawn look nice, I'll remind myself that liberals ought to be doing all this work, not me, since they'll just take credit for it anyway.

I guess if you are easily discouraged by out of context statements then you probably would think you mowing your lawn would be accredited to someone else.
Then again only an idiot and a partisan sheep would take the word of other partisans on what an out of context comment meant instead of figuring it out for yourself.

But hey, stupid is as stupid does! So go ahead and put that bumper sticker on!

 

[OrByte]

My aim is to tell you the truth. Have you not heard me say, we do not know what we feel, don't want to know what we feel, and don't want to know we don't want to know. I have known that for much longer than I have been posting here. Very few people know anything because very few want to. This is why, if you were into such things to any degree, you would know that the those with wisdom will often refer to themselves as fools. This is because real wisdom always sounds like foolishness to those who don't have it. You won't fine anybody who has any real wisdom who is interested in how many people agree with him or her. Those are the petty concerns of the real fools, the conformists who live in a false reality where group think is critical to the maintenance of their mass psychosis. I offer you facts to consider so you don't have to continue to be that way. The rest is up to you.

Try to imagine for a moment that I don't need anything. I don't need your approval, I don't care if you disapprove. I give you the best I can do for free. I am on your side, but I know what your side is better than you do. I know it and you don't and that's ok. I don't want any credit, any praise, any thanks, anything. I see you as a wild animal in a trap. I want to set you free but I know the minute I reach for the jaws of your trap you will bite me. You see me as you see the trap. It has to be that way. We learned as children not to believe in love because we never saw the real thing.

I like this post!

 

[Abwx]

By alone, you mean with literally no one else.

...in which case, $500,000 is meaningless anyway. I could create a mud pie from the dirt in my backyard and say it's worth $500,000. And with no one else around, it's worth whatever I say it's worth because I'm not able to trade it.

You finaly guessed it, it s not possible, what is possible is to replace the "we" by "i" and suddenly one manage to "produce" extraordinary amounts of $, Soros "created" a lot of $ for himself out of the real $ produced by the everyday people, litteraly a tax over citizenry of the countris whose money s were targeted.

Goods only have value in terms of what two trading partners agree on. The whole nature of prices is that they fluctuate according to supply and demand, and that is determined by groups of people who value things differently. If you are truly alone, $500,000 might as well by $0.05, or $5,000,000.

That s a speculative system based on marginal utility, in a few words i can get all your wealth in a row if ypu need a medic that i produce and that is your only mean to stay alive, likely any doctor could act the same way in a truly speculative system based on the law of the most powerfull at a given moment, never seek help if you get out of the road with your car, it could cost you your house...

A socialized system? You mean the system that capitalism has created by which everyone, working in their own interest and of their own free will, is inadvertently serving their fellow citizens?

Free will.?.
If it was free will everybody would be getting 10 000$/month at least, but this decision is not up to everybody, so salaries are determined by free will but not by the one of the worker...

If that's a socialized system, then capitalism has produced the socialist paradise far better than socialism ever did, without a massive bureaucratic state and without the millions slaughtered because they couldn't be re-educated about what's good for them.

Capitalism created nothing, it s the masses that are creating all things, capitalism is just a mechanism by wich a minority control the means of productions and ressources.

 

[Atreus21]

And I think you're reaching for Denial in absurdity. And, I mean, hey, if you can't employ reason, apply ridicule. Tell us about how your panties are all scrunched up & how it's our fault.

Sometimes ridicule is more effective than reason in pointing out ridiculous ideas.

Absurdity? You are the guys telling people that they didn't build the business they built from their own sweat and blood. I don't know why you're okay with that, but not okay with telling the fireman who rescued someone that he didn't actually rescue someone.

The rest? Just trying to remind you that you're not Merriweather Lewis, blazing a trail through the wilderness, or John Galt, either.

okay dude.

 

[Atreus21]

I guess if you are easily discouraged by out of context statements then you probably would think you mowing your lawn would be accredited to someone else.

All I did was take the left's nonsensical reasoning to it's logical conclusion. I can't produce anything that leftists cannot denigrate as produced by the collective. That includes a business or an attractive lawn.

Florence Nightingale didn't actually pioneer the nursing profession.
Henry Ford didn't really revolutionize the automobile industry.
Norman Borlaug didn't actually radically alter the face of agriculture to the effect that he is now called "The Man Who Saved A Billion Lives."

No, the village takes all credit for the work and time that driven individuals put in, without actually having to do a damned thing. I'd call it clever if it weren't so pathetic.

 

[Moonbeam]

All I did was take the left's nonsensical reasoning to it's logical conclusion. I can't produce anything that leftists cannot denigrate as produced by the collective. That includes a business or an attractive lawn.

Florence Nightingale didn't actually pioneer the nursing profession.
Henry Ford didn't really revolutionize the automobile industry.
Norman Borlaug didn't actually radically alter the face of agriculture to the effect that he is now called "The Man Who Saved A Billion Lives."

No, the village takes all credit for the work and time that driven individuals put in, without actually having to do a damned thing. I'd call it clever if it weren't so pathetic.

You are seeing one side oh a multidimensional situation. Taking advantage of opportunity requires the right time, the, right place, and the right condition. It is society that creates all of those as it waits for the first lucky person who also has the right perspective to take advantage of them. There is nothing special about the person that happens to be. If you leave the front door open, flies will get in.

 

[Atreus21]

You are seeing one side oh a multidimensional situation. Taking advantage of opportunity requires the right time, the, right place, and the right condition.

And the right person.

 

[Zaap]

It amazes me how the simplest things have to be explained to leftists. Simply amazing sometimes.