30,000 Union Workers have taken the Ford Buyout

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Hyundi isnt the primary problem. The primary problem is Toyota and Honda, and Toyota and Honda arent cheaper than american made cars.[/quote]

I didnt say they were the primary problem

There is a whole pool of buyers that used to buy from the Big 3

Those that want cheap price jumped to Hyundai, Kia, Suzuki, etc.

Those that want "quality" jumped to Honda, Toy, Lexus, etc.

Some people used to buy Pintos and some Cadillacs.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

Hurray for unions!

I'm glad to hear your company puts your best interests at heart.:roll:
Or, Don't you work?

Yahoo for unions, miscalculating the global economic impacts on labor for over 30 years!!!! It's nice to watch people blindly resisting change until they are simply out of jobs completely. Do you want to discuss the number of companies that the unions have driven into the ground or out of the country in the last few decades? I guess that pot does have an affect on the hippy mind.

So, Toyota pays their people the same as the Big 3, can sell BETTER cars for substantially LESS, makes a much bigger profit, and gives their employees better working conditions. But, the big 3 is failing due to the unions? Hmmmmmm. Sounds more like SEVERE mis-management. GM pays Wagonneer 400 million dollars to get taken to the cleaners by Toyota - money well spent, no? How much does the CEO of Toyota make?

They didnt misjudge the world economy. They were throw into a no win situation. Everyone seems to think that costs are too high, how about foreign cost is too low?

Nobody did anything to protect this sector, they allow foreign makers to pump cheaper products onto the market and forced the decline of the American Auto industry.

Kind of like your job as soon as your boss decides it feasible to have what you do done cheaper.

Using your wisdom this would have been an employment ad from 1976

Wanted
Auto Workers
Lousy working conditions
Frequent mandatory OT
Good pay and benefits that will decline over the next 30 years until the cheap foreign competition puts us out of business and you will be out on your ass.

I think the average worker in China makes like .08 cents per HOUR, nobody competes with that.

Auto Workers in the US are VASTLY overpaid in terms of wages and compensation packages.

And last I checked not to many cars from China are sold in the US.

What is killing the Big 3 is primarily Japan, and to a lesser extent Korea. You'd have a point on Korea their wages are much cheaper. But not Japan. But you also have to take into account most Toyotas are assembled in the US. Most Toyotas are as american as most Big 3 automobiles.

That is false. Most Toyota's are not as american as the Big 3. All of the engineering that is done on those Toyota's is done in Japan, not USA.

Yeah and most parts in American "made" autos are made is Mexico/Latin America. Some big 3 cars are assembled outside the US as well.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

Hurray for unions!

I'm glad to hear your company puts your best interests at heart.:roll:
Or, Don't you work?

Yahoo for unions, miscalculating the global economic impacts on labor for over 30 years!!!! It's nice to watch people blindly resisting change until they are simply out of jobs completely. Do you want to discuss the number of companies that the unions have driven into the ground or out of the country in the last few decades? I guess that pot does have an affect on the hippy mind.

So, Toyota pays their people the same as the Big 3, can sell BETTER cars for substantially LESS, makes a much bigger profit, and gives their employees better working conditions. But, the big 3 is failing due to the unions? Hmmmmmm. Sounds more like SEVERE mis-management. GM pays Wagonneer 400 million dollars to get taken to the cleaners by Toyota - money well spent, no? How much does the CEO of Toyota make?

They didnt misjudge the world economy. They were throw into a no win situation. Everyone seems to think that costs are too high, how about foreign cost is too low?

Nobody did anything to protect this sector, they allow foreign makers to pump cheaper products onto the market and forced the decline of the American Auto industry.

Kind of like your job as soon as your boss decides it feasible to have what you do done cheaper.

Using your wisdom this would have been an employment ad from 1976

Wanted
Auto Workers
Lousy working conditions
Frequent mandatory OT
Good pay and benefits that will decline over the next 30 years until the cheap foreign competition puts us out of business and you will be out on your ass.

I think the average worker in China makes like .08 cents per HOUR, nobody competes with that.

Auto Workers in the US are VASTLY overpaid in terms of wages and compensation packages.

And last I checked not to many cars from China are sold in the US.

What is killing the Big 3 is primarily Japan, and to a lesser extent Korea. You'd have a point on Korea their wages are much cheaper. But not Japan. But you also have to take into account most Toyotas are assembled in the US. Most Toyotas are as american as most Big 3 automobiles.

That is false. Most Toyota's are not as american as the Big 3. All of the engineering that is done on those Toyota's is done in Japan, not USA.

Yeah and most parts in American "made" autos are made is Mexico/Latin America.

No, final assembly is there. A good majority is engineered and manufactured here and shipped there.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

unions don't advocate pay for performance, and advocate that everyone gets equal pay. bullshiet. unions dug a hole for the US. They should either be banned, or have extreme restrictions on their operations.

Unions should have been destroyed once the economy got more and more global.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Squisher

Many American vehicles closely rival all of their competition in quality, but it'll be a while before people change their mind about the domestics.

I totally agree. In fact japaneese quality is slipping. US auto makers need to upgrade their interiors to get a better share of the market.

Im sorry but I dont see the slippage of quality on Honda or Toyota? Maybe you are thinking Hyundi and Kia are Japanese.

Japaneese have tons of engine and transmission problems that you dont hear many owners complain about because they fix them for free. Its good PR and since they have record profits they can afford to do this.

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
unions don't advocate pay for performance, and advocate that everyone gets equal pay. bullshiet. unions dug a hole for the US. They should either be banned, or have extreme restrictions on their operations.

Unions should have been destroyed once the economy got more and more global.

Doesn't seem to hurt the Japanese companies.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
unions don't advocate pay for performance, and advocate that everyone gets equal pay. bullshiet. unions dug a hole for the US. They should either be banned, or have extreme restrictions on their operations.

Unions should have been destroyed once the economy got more and more global.

pssst, you do realize thats whats happening right?

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
unions don't advocate pay for performance, and advocate that everyone gets equal pay. bullshiet. unions dug a hole for the US. They should either be banned, or have extreme restrictions on their operations.

Unions should have been destroyed once the economy got more and more global.

Doesn't seem to hurt the Japanese companies.

The Japanese companies have been building here for 20 years, not 100 years. They don't have retirees from 40 years ago still getting medical benefits and pensions. Their plants are all newer, meaning less overhead.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

Hurray for unions!

I'm glad to hear your company puts your best interests at heart.:roll:
Or, Don't you work?

Yahoo for unions, miscalculating the global economic impacts on labor for over 30 years!!!! It's nice to watch people blindly resisting change until they are simply out of jobs completely. Do you want to discuss the number of companies that the unions have driven into the ground or out of the country in the last few decades? I guess that pot does have an affect on the hippy mind.

So, Toyota pays their people the same as the Big 3, can sell BETTER cars for substantially LESS, makes a much bigger profit, and gives their employees better working conditions. But, the big 3 is failing due to the unions? Hmmmmmm. Sounds more like SEVERE mis-management. GM pays Wagonneer 400 million dollars to get taken to the cleaners by Toyota - money well spent, no? How much does the CEO of Toyota make?

They didnt misjudge the world economy. They were throw into a no win situation. Everyone seems to think that costs are too high, how about foreign cost is too low?

Nobody did anything to protect this sector, they allow foreign makers to pump cheaper products onto the market and forced the decline of the American Auto industry.

Kind of like your job as soon as your boss decides it feasible to have what you do done cheaper.

Using your wisdom this would have been an employment ad from 1976

Wanted
Auto Workers
Lousy working conditions
Frequent mandatory OT
Good pay and benefits that will decline over the next 30 years until the cheap foreign competition puts us out of business and you will be out on your ass.

I think the average worker in China makes like .08 cents per HOUR, nobody competes with that.

Auto Workers in the US are VASTLY overpaid in terms of wages and compensation packages.

And last I checked not to many cars from China are sold in the US.

What is killing the Big 3 is primarily Japan, and to a lesser extent Korea. You'd have a point on Korea their wages are much cheaper. But not Japan. But you also have to take into account most Toyotas are assembled in the US. Most Toyotas are as american as most Big 3 automobiles.

That is false. Most Toyota's are not as american as the Big 3. All of the engineering that is done on those Toyota's is done in Japan, not USA.

Yeah and most parts in American "made" autos are made is Mexico/Latin America.

No, final assembly is there. A good majority is engineered and manufactured here and shipped there.

Uh no, they are manufactured in Mexico and Latin America, its not just final assembly.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
unions don't advocate pay for performance, and advocate that everyone gets equal pay. bullshiet. unions dug a hole for the US. They should either be banned, or have extreme restrictions on their operations.

Unions should have been destroyed once the economy got more and more global.

Doesn't seem to hurt the Japanese companies.

The Japanese companies have been building here for 20 years, not 100 years. They don't have retirees from 40 years ago still getting medical benefits and pensions. Their plants are all newer, meaning less overhead.

They also have tons of tax incentives that are boosting their profit short term. I read that aplant down south received enough tax incentives to make their payroll for 3 years.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Unions were created for a good reason, companies in general were taking advantage of employees. But like many things it went to far and now the unions in general got out of hand and have caused all sorts of trouble. My granddad for instance worked with this one company which was unionized, and at one meeting the union leader said that everyone was working too hard, they needed to slow down so the company had to hire more of the union's people. My granddad pointed out that the company isn't made of money, and if they push it they'll drive the company out of business and everyone then would lose their jobs. The guy acted like my granddad was an idiot.

A little while later, company went out of business and everyone lost their jobs.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
unions don't advocate pay for performance, and advocate that everyone gets equal pay. bullshiet. unions dug a hole for the US. They should either be banned, or have extreme restrictions on their operations.

Unions should have been destroyed once the economy got more and more global.

Doesn't seem to hurt the Japanese companies.

The Japanese companies have been building here for 20 years, not 100 years. They don't have retirees from 40 years ago still getting medical benefits and pensions. Their plants are all newer, meaning less overhead.

They also have tons of tax incentives that are boosting their profit short term. I read that aplant down south received enough tax incentives to make their payroll for 3 years.

That's not just the Japanese. Most of the companies in the industrial park get tax abatements as well.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

Hurray for unions!

I'm glad to hear your company puts your best interests at heart.:roll:
Or, Don't you work?

Yahoo for unions, miscalculating the global economic impacts on labor for over 30 years!!!! It's nice to watch people blindly resisting change until they are simply out of jobs completely. Do you want to discuss the number of companies that the unions have driven into the ground or out of the country in the last few decades? I guess that pot does have an affect on the hippy mind.

They didnt misjudge the world economy. They were throw into a no win situation. Everyone seems to think that costs are too high, how about foreign cost is too low?

Nobody did anything to protect this sector, they allow foreign makers to pump cheaper products onto the market and forced the decline of the American Auto industry.

Kind of like your job as soon as your boss decides it feasible to have what you do done cheaper.

Using your wisdom this would have been an employment ad from 1976

Wanted
Auto Workers
Lousy working conditions
Frequent mandatory OT
Good pay and benefits that will decline over the next 30 years until the cheap foreign competition puts us out of business and you will be out on your ass.

I think the average worker in China makes like .08 cents per HOUR, nobody competes with that.

Auto Workers in the US are VASTLY overpaid in terms of wages and compensation packages.

And last I checked not to many cars from China are sold in the US.

What is killing the Big 3 is primarily Japan, and to a lesser extent Korea. You'd have a point on Korea their wages are much cheaper. But not Japan. But you also have to take into account most Toyotas are assembled in the US. Most Toyotas are as american as most Big 3 automobiles.

So, Toyota pays their people the same as the Big 3, can sell BETTER cars for substantially LESS, makes a much bigger profit, and gives their employees better working conditions. But, the big 3 is failing due to the unions? Hmmmmmm. Sounds more like SEVERE mis-management. GM pays Wagonneer 400 million dollars to get taken to the cleaners by Toyota - money well spent, no? How much does the CEO of Toyota make?

Uh, last I checked Toyotas werent cheaper than their american counterparts. Second, yes it is because of Unions. The Big 3 are steeped in liabilities($4billion this year $5-5.5billion next year) due to healthcare benefits that the unions wont allow be cut.

 

[OVerLoRDI]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

Hurray for unions!

I'm glad to hear your company puts your best interests at heart.:roll:
Or, Don't you work?

Yeah, you do understand what is sinking the American Auto Companies right? The union contracts relating to healthcare. The Big 3 wont be around in 10 years unless something changes.

Yeah American companies are really struggling.. it has been one blow after another. Like above said if something doesn't change they will die.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
unions don't advocate pay for performance, and advocate that everyone gets equal pay. bullshiet. unions dug a hole for the US. They should either be banned, or have extreme restrictions on their operations.

Unions should have been destroyed once the economy got more and more global.

Doesn't seem to hurt the Japanese companies.

The Japanese companies have been building here for 20 years, not 100 years. They don't have retirees from 40 years ago still getting medical benefits and pensions. Their plants are all newer, meaning less overhead.

They also have tons of tax incentives that are boosting their profit short term. I read that aplant down south received enough tax incentives to make their payroll for 3 years.

Thats probably the San Antonio Toyota Truck/SUV plant. San Antonio is looking after its own people. IIRC this gives San Antonio 18,000 new jobs, which brings in alot of new income for the City. So why they gave tax incentives, they make up for it and much more by the economic gain involved.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

Hurray for unions!

I'm glad to hear your company puts your best interests at heart.:roll:
Or, Don't you work?

Yahoo for unions, miscalculating the global economic impacts on labor for over 30 years!!!! It's nice to watch people blindly resisting change until they are simply out of jobs completely. Do you want to discuss the number of companies that the unions have driven into the ground or out of the country in the last few decades? I guess that pot does have an affect on the hippy mind.

So, Toyota pays their people the same as the Big 3, can sell BETTER cars for substantially LESS, makes a much bigger profit, and gives their employees better working conditions. But, the big 3 is failing due to the unions? Hmmmmmm. Sounds more like SEVERE mis-management. GM pays Wagonneer 400 million dollars to get taken to the cleaners by Toyota - money well spent, no? How much does the CEO of Toyota make?

They didnt misjudge the world economy. They were throw into a no win situation. Everyone seems to think that costs are too high, how about foreign cost is too low?

Nobody did anything to protect this sector, they allow foreign makers to pump cheaper products onto the market and forced the decline of the American Auto industry.

Kind of like your job as soon as your boss decides it feasible to have what you do done cheaper.

Using your wisdom this would have been an employment ad from 1976

Wanted
Auto Workers
Lousy working conditions
Frequent mandatory OT
Good pay and benefits that will decline over the next 30 years until the cheap foreign competition puts us out of business and you will be out on your ass.

I think the average worker in China makes like .08 cents per HOUR, nobody competes with that.

Auto Workers in the US are VASTLY overpaid in terms of wages and compensation packages.

And last I checked not to many cars from China are sold in the US.

What is killing the Big 3 is primarily Japan, and to a lesser extent Korea. You'd have a point on Korea their wages are much cheaper. But not Japan. But you also have to take into account most Toyotas are assembled in the US. Most Toyotas are as american as most Big 3 automobiles.

That is false. Most Toyota's are not as american as the Big 3. All of the engineering that is done on those Toyota's is done in Japan, not USA.

Yeah and most parts in American "made" autos are made is Mexico/Latin America.

No, final assembly is there. A good majority is engineered and manufactured here and shipped there.

Uh no, they are manufactured in Mexico and Latin America, its not just final assembly.

well i can tell you that you are wrong. I work for ford and deal with tons of suppliers. all of our major suppliers are in the USA.

 

[bctbct]

Big 3

Huge health care costs
Huge salaries to due senority
Aging plants
Gas prices kill their best selling products

Japan/ Foreign

None of the above.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

Hurray for unions!

I'm glad to hear your company puts your best interests at heart.:roll:
Or, Don't you work?

Yahoo for unions, miscalculating the global economic impacts on labor for over 30 years!!!! It's nice to watch people blindly resisting change until they are simply out of jobs completely. Do you want to discuss the number of companies that the unions have driven into the ground or out of the country in the last few decades? I guess that pot does have an affect on the hippy mind.

So, Toyota pays their people the same as the Big 3, can sell BETTER cars for substantially LESS, makes a much bigger profit, and gives their employees better working conditions. But, the big 3 is failing due to the unions? Hmmmmmm. Sounds more like SEVERE mis-management. GM pays Wagonneer 400 million dollars to get taken to the cleaners by Toyota - money well spent, no? How much does the CEO of Toyota make?

They didnt misjudge the world economy. They were throw into a no win situation. Everyone seems to think that costs are too high, how about foreign cost is too low?

Nobody did anything to protect this sector, they allow foreign makers to pump cheaper products onto the market and forced the decline of the American Auto industry.

Kind of like your job as soon as your boss decides it feasible to have what you do done cheaper.

Using your wisdom this would have been an employment ad from 1976

Wanted
Auto Workers
Lousy working conditions
Frequent mandatory OT
Good pay and benefits that will decline over the next 30 years until the cheap foreign competition puts us out of business and you will be out on your ass.

I think the average worker in China makes like .08 cents per HOUR, nobody competes with that.

Auto Workers in the US are VASTLY overpaid in terms of wages and compensation packages.

And last I checked not to many cars from China are sold in the US.

What is killing the Big 3 is primarily Japan, and to a lesser extent Korea. You'd have a point on Korea their wages are much cheaper. But not Japan. But you also have to take into account most Toyotas are assembled in the US. Most Toyotas are as american as most Big 3 automobiles.

That is false. Most Toyota's are not as american as the Big 3. All of the engineering that is done on those Toyota's is done in Japan, not USA.

Yeah and most parts in American "made" autos are made is Mexico/Latin America.

No, final assembly is there. A good majority is engineered and manufactured here and shipped there.

Uh no, they are manufactured in Mexico and Latin America, its not just final assembly.

well i can tell you that you are wrong. I work for ford and deal with tons of suppliers. all of our major suppliers are in the USA.

And I work for an auto supplier, but you and I are obviously wrong Cattlegod. He read it on the Internet.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

Hurray for unions!

I'm glad to hear your company puts your best interests at heart.:roll:
Or, Don't you work?

Yahoo for unions, miscalculating the global economic impacts on labor for over 30 years!!!! It's nice to watch people blindly resisting change until they are simply out of jobs completely. Do you want to discuss the number of companies that the unions have driven into the ground or out of the country in the last few decades? I guess that pot does have an affect on the hippy mind.

So, Toyota pays their people the same as the Big 3, can sell BETTER cars for substantially LESS, makes a much bigger profit, and gives their employees better working conditions. But, the big 3 is failing due to the unions? Hmmmmmm. Sounds more like SEVERE mis-management. GM pays Wagonneer 400 million dollars to get taken to the cleaners by Toyota - money well spent, no? How much does the CEO of Toyota make?

They didnt misjudge the world economy. They were throw into a no win situation. Everyone seems to think that costs are too high, how about foreign cost is too low?

Nobody did anything to protect this sector, they allow foreign makers to pump cheaper products onto the market and forced the decline of the American Auto industry.

Kind of like your job as soon as your boss decides it feasible to have what you do done cheaper.

Using your wisdom this would have been an employment ad from 1976

Wanted
Auto Workers
Lousy working conditions
Frequent mandatory OT
Good pay and benefits that will decline over the next 30 years until the cheap foreign competition puts us out of business and you will be out on your ass.

I think the average worker in China makes like .08 cents per HOUR, nobody competes with that.

Auto Workers in the US are VASTLY overpaid in terms of wages and compensation packages.

And last I checked not to many cars from China are sold in the US.

What is killing the Big 3 is primarily Japan, and to a lesser extent Korea. You'd have a point on Korea their wages are much cheaper. But not Japan. But you also have to take into account most Toyotas are assembled in the US. Most Toyotas are as american as most Big 3 automobiles.

That is false. Most Toyota's are not as american as the Big 3. All of the engineering that is done on those Toyota's is done in Japan, not USA.

Yeah and most parts in American "made" autos are made is Mexico/Latin America.

No, final assembly is there. A good majority is engineered and manufactured here and shipped there.

Uh no, they are manufactured in Mexico and Latin America, its not just final assembly.

well i can tell you that you are wrong. I work for ford and deal with tons of suppliers. all of our major suppliers are in the USA.

Are you dense? They might be American companies but their manfacturing is done in Mexico and Latin America.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Unions were created for a good reason, companies in general were taking advantage of employees. But like many things it went to far and now the unions in general got out of hand and have caused all sorts of trouble. My granddad for instance worked with this one company which was unionized, and at one meeting the union leader said that everyone was working too hard, they needed to slow down so the company had to hire more of the union's people. My granddad pointed out that the company isn't made of money, and if they push it they'll drive the company out of business and everyone then would lose their jobs. The guy acted like my granddad was an idiot.

A little while later, company went out of business and everyone lost their jobs.

pretty much why unions are evil and useless and why they will die in a nutshell

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

Hurray for unions!

I'm glad to hear your company puts your best interests at heart.:roll:
Or, Don't you work?

Yahoo for unions, miscalculating the global economic impacts on labor for over 30 years!!!! It's nice to watch people blindly resisting change until they are simply out of jobs completely. Do you want to discuss the number of companies that the unions have driven into the ground or out of the country in the last few decades? I guess that pot does have an affect on the hippy mind.

So, Toyota pays their people the same as the Big 3, can sell BETTER cars for substantially LESS, makes a much bigger profit, and gives their employees better working conditions. But, the big 3 is failing due to the unions? Hmmmmmm. Sounds more like SEVERE mis-management. GM pays Wagonneer 400 million dollars to get taken to the cleaners by Toyota - money well spent, no? How much does the CEO of Toyota make?

They didnt misjudge the world economy. They were throw into a no win situation. Everyone seems to think that costs are too high, how about foreign cost is too low?

Nobody did anything to protect this sector, they allow foreign makers to pump cheaper products onto the market and forced the decline of the American Auto industry.

Kind of like your job as soon as your boss decides it feasible to have what you do done cheaper.

Using your wisdom this would have been an employment ad from 1976

Wanted
Auto Workers
Lousy working conditions
Frequent mandatory OT
Good pay and benefits that will decline over the next 30 years until the cheap foreign competition puts us out of business and you will be out on your ass.

I think the average worker in China makes like .08 cents per HOUR, nobody competes with that.

Auto Workers in the US are VASTLY overpaid in terms of wages and compensation packages.

And last I checked not to many cars from China are sold in the US.

What is killing the Big 3 is primarily Japan, and to a lesser extent Korea. You'd have a point on Korea their wages are much cheaper. But not Japan. But you also have to take into account most Toyotas are assembled in the US. Most Toyotas are as american as most Big 3 automobiles.

That is false. Most Toyota's are not as american as the Big 3. All of the engineering that is done on those Toyota's is done in Japan, not USA.

Yeah and most parts in American "made" autos are made is Mexico/Latin America.

No, final assembly is there. A good majority is engineered and manufactured here and shipped there.

Uh no, they are manufactured in Mexico and Latin America, its not just final assembly.

well i can tell you that you are wrong. I work for ford and deal with tons of suppliers. all of our major suppliers are in the USA.

And I work for an auto supplier, but you and I are obviously wrong Cattlegod. He read it on the Internet.

Delphi, the worlds #1(maybe #2 now) auto parts supplier has the majority of its manufacturing and assembly plants in Mexico/Latin America, it even has an R&D center in Mexico. They arent the only ones. Auto part manfacturing for American cars is moving to Mexico/Latin America, its not just assembly.

It and most other auto part suppliers are American companies, but that doesnt mean crap when they mostly manufacture outside the US.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

Hurray for unions!

I'm glad to hear your company puts your best interests at heart.:roll:
Or, Don't you work?

Yahoo for unions, miscalculating the global economic impacts on labor for over 30 years!!!! It's nice to watch people blindly resisting change until they are simply out of jobs completely. Do you want to discuss the number of companies that the unions have driven into the ground or out of the country in the last few decades? I guess that pot does have an affect on the hippy mind.

So, Toyota pays their people the same as the Big 3, can sell BETTER cars for substantially LESS, makes a much bigger profit, and gives their employees better working conditions. But, the big 3 is failing due to the unions? Hmmmmmm. Sounds more like SEVERE mis-management. GM pays Wagonneer 400 million dollars to get taken to the cleaners by Toyota - money well spent, no? How much does the CEO of Toyota make?

They didnt misjudge the world economy. They were throw into a no win situation. Everyone seems to think that costs are too high, how about foreign cost is too low?

Nobody did anything to protect this sector, they allow foreign makers to pump cheaper products onto the market and forced the decline of the American Auto industry.

Kind of like your job as soon as your boss decides it feasible to have what you do done cheaper.

Using your wisdom this would have been an employment ad from 1976

Wanted
Auto Workers
Lousy working conditions
Frequent mandatory OT
Good pay and benefits that will decline over the next 30 years until the cheap foreign competition puts us out of business and you will be out on your ass.

I think the average worker in China makes like .08 cents per HOUR, nobody competes with that.

Auto Workers in the US are VASTLY overpaid in terms of wages and compensation packages.

And last I checked not to many cars from China are sold in the US.

What is killing the Big 3 is primarily Japan, and to a lesser extent Korea. You'd have a point on Korea their wages are much cheaper. But not Japan. But you also have to take into account most Toyotas are assembled in the US. Most Toyotas are as american as most Big 3 automobiles.

That is false. Most Toyota's are not as american as the Big 3. All of the engineering that is done on those Toyota's is done in Japan, not USA.

Yeah and most parts in American "made" autos are made is Mexico/Latin America.

No, final assembly is there. A good majority is engineered and manufactured here and shipped there.

Uh no, they are manufactured in Mexico and Latin America, its not just final assembly.

well i can tell you that you are wrong. I work for ford and deal with tons of suppliers. all of our major suppliers are in the USA.

Are you dense? They might be American companies but their manfacturing is done in Mexico and Latin America.

No It's not

Parts are stamped, molded, formed, assembled, and then shipped to Mexico to be put together. And this isn't even for every car.

What proof do you have, btw?

 

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Dude, less than 16 years you basically got a huge house payment and/or pay the rest of your bills off.

Now you just gotta find a new job


for the older people more to invest upon and of course retire early

 

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TO THE WEST COAST....


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hey guys would you mind deleting some of the quotes, the nesting is getting pretty long