3.5 GPA = Not good enough = Parents no longer give monetary support?

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: joohang
TuffGuy: Don't forget that different professors and schools have different grading standards.

well, unless you're saying that ucla's courses are a joke, it's still film and music. regardless of what schools my friends have gone too, the classes weren't that hard. we've always taken them as gpa BOOSTERS. and ESPECIALLY since it's his freshman year, when he's taking lower division courses which are pretty easy. heck, he doesn't even have to worry about math or physics courses.

a 3.5 gpa does not mean the same thing for every major. a 3.5 in engineering is much better than a 3.5 in film. and it's his gpa for the whole YEAR. first quarter or two is understandable, but for the whole year?

but i still think that just flat out cutting him off is harsh. they should give him a probation quarter to straighten out his grades.

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: joohang
TuffGuy: Don't forget that different professors and schools have different grading standards.

well, unless you're saying that ucla's courses are a joke, it's still film and music. regardless of what schools my friends have gone too, the classes weren't that hard. we've always taken them as gpa BOOSTERS. and ESPECIALLY since it's his freshman year, when he's taking lower division courses which are pretty easy. heck, he doesn't even have to worry about math or physics courses.

a 3.5 gpa does not mean the same thing for every major. a 3.5 in engineering is much better than a 3.5 in film. and it's his gpa for the whole YEAR. first quarter or two is understandable, but for the whole year?

but i still think that just flat out cutting him off is harsh. they should give him a probation quarter to straighten out his grades.

I see. Point taken.

In my first year, I personally found it much easier to get an A in physics than in my English and Asian Studies. Our grading system is slightly different around here and professors are very reluctant to even give away A-. I just finished my second year and my only A courses were first-year physics courses. I just wanted to point out that depending on the school and professor, it could be much tougher to A-level grades. I didn't mean to argue that getting an A in engineering is easier.

Well, according to one of datalink7's later posts, it turns out that he got As in his core courses. Just got a couple of Bs in other courses. He did pretty well, imo.

 

[UDT89]

last i heard, most millionaires were C students..................................


i dont feel bad that my GPA is a 2.6..............i exchanged the other 1.4 for partying and working for some extra money. Some say its not the smartest, but i could write a book 500 pages long about the memories.

College is too general nowadays. I had to take some China and European history, as well as general computing classes. What a waste of 9 credits. I wish a requirement in my college was American History........seems logical.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: joohang
I see. Point taken.

In my first year, I personally found it much easier to get an A in physics than in my English and Asian Studies. Our grading system is slightly different around here and professors are very reluctant to even give away A-. I just finished my second year and my only A courses were first-year physics courses. I just wanted to point out that depending on the school and professor, it could be much tougher to A-level grades. I didn't mean to argue that getting an A in engineering is easier.

Well, according to one of datalink7's later posts, it turns out that he got As in his core courses. Just got a couple of Bs in other courses. He did pretty well, imo.

wow... he only got As in his film and music classes. what a surprise... i wonder what "hard classes" the Bs were in.

did you take physics for non-science majors? over here we have "physics for poets," a dumbed down course for non-science majors. or could it have been that you took those physics courses a little more seriously and that you studied more for those classes?

 

[Kanalua]

My parents paid for my freshman year (my dad refused to give his tax info to my scholarship people, so he opted to pay for the year)...and he hasn;t paid for a dime since.

If your friend is getting a 3.5, he should be smart enough to know that there is money everywhere for college, if he/she would've planned better, looked harder, and played smarter...I get all my schooling paid for, plus $7K extra, every year...he/she should get off mom's pack, and take care of his/her own business.

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: joohang
I see. Point taken.

In my first year, I personally found it much easier to get an A in physics than in my English and Asian Studies. Our grading system is slightly different around here and professors are very reluctant to even give away A-. I just finished my second year and my only A courses were first-year physics courses. I just wanted to point out that depending on the school and professor, it could be much tougher to A-level grades. I didn't mean to argue that getting an A in engineering is easier.

Well, according to one of datalink7's later posts, it turns out that he got As in his core courses. Just got a couple of Bs in other courses. He did pretty well, imo.

wow... he only got As in his film and music classes. what a surprise... i wonder what "hard classes" the Bs were in.

did you take physics for non-science majors? over here we have "physics for poets," a dumbed down course for non-science majors. or could it have been that you took those physics courses a little more seriously and that you studied more for those classes?

Nope. They were physics courses that most science majors take. Science courses have always been my strong ones, though. I gave more or less equal efforts to all my courses. I actually slacked off in physics compared to my other courses because I found it pretty straight forward. The only thing that pulled my marks down was the lab assignments because the TAs sucked.

Well some people just have trouble doing well in English. I am not sure what his other courses were but B is not a bad grade either.

 

[Goosemaster]

My parents can barely afford the interest...which is alll they can help me with.


By the way, I am majoring in a 5 year BSEE (Elec. Eng) @ $32000per year


160k is a LOT OF Money that I HAVE to PAY

 

[xirtam]

My GPA is pi: 3.14. Not good enough for me, though. I really need to start working harder at things like class.

 

[Entity]

Those of you who paid for college themselves, what were your GPAs in High School? If I was parent, I really wouldn't pay for my kids college unless they were getting at least a 3.0.

I'm paying for my own college. 3.93 in HS and a 3.7 in College.

Rob

 

[Kadarin]

i mean damn, my chinese parents, they are already unfeeling, cold, and have super high expectations. i 'd say a lot of other asian kids could say that their parents seem unloving at least in the traditional sense. i mean i know my parents care about me, but like its not like i hug them when i see them, or ever get that brady bunch feeling. i guess thats what happens after they bring up crap like cutting you off for having a low GPA, or like that you are a failure and should be sent to some other country.

Hmm... Sounds like your unfeeling, cold parents are trying to raise you to be unfeeling and cold...

 

[kru]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

yeah, that's something to be proud of and brag about...

well, i AM proud of myself TuffGuy. if not for my academic performance through high school, then for the fact that i turned it around in college, got my Bachelor of Business Admin., my MBA, and will walk this Friday in the commencement exercises to pick up my Master of IT degree.

 

[LiLRiceBoi]

All I have to say is for my chinese parents, nothing is good enough :|

 

[MGMorden]

Luckily most of my college is being payed for by a mixture of loans and grants (had a scholarship but lost it). My GPA is currently a measly 2.97 and has been down to 2.7. My parents are only dishing out about $1500 per year on me but they don't care about my GPA. My Dad is a drywall worker and doesn't make a whole lot, but when he found out I'd be loosing my scholarship (which was paying everything plus a surplus) he reiterated that he'd work extra on the weekends and such to pay for my college. Hell I'd get my ass chewed out if I wanted to quit going. My parents are both from humble backgrounds and have done everything in their power to get myself and my siblings into a better lifestyle where we don't have to bust our asses all day doing construction work. To me any parent who says a GPA of 3.5 isn't high enough are simply uncaring brutes. Seriously. I mean if it isn't high enough then just by the statement they do have the money to pay for the college (because a higher GPA would warrant that). 3.5 is nothing near failing and I'd say anyone with that GPA is progressing nicely towards their degree. To hold back the funding and possibly screw over your own child for the rest of his or her life is just stupid. Only thing I could think of is being embarassed about it which is about the most disgusting thing I've ever heard.

 

[pillage2001]

To make it fair, for those guys that are saying that he deserve to be left without monetary support, if he's an out of state student, that would be mean. If not, he's on his own now.

Out of state tuition fees cost a bomb!

 

[ucdnam]

UCs out of state tuition sucks really hard. It is best for him to take some time off, so that when he comes back, he'll have spent atleast a full year in California and pay resident fees instead, which would only be $1500/quarter.

As for the GPA thing, I'm assuming he got a 3.5 because maybe he wasn't use to the quarter system, freedom, etc... the typical college first year. I did take music and film classes as well as astronomy, linguistics, french, and this was after I spent a year in engineering and switched to biology. I found all of those classes to be easy as pie and still found some kids struggling in them.

I am certain, or hopeful, that your friend will learn how to learn and study for college tests and he'll do fine. It took me awhile to get use to 10 week classes and a midterm every 3 weeks, but once you have it down, it's not too difficult.

Now, summer school is another thing at a UC where these 10 week courses are shortened to 6 weeks and you learn the same amount of stuff from the same professors.. scary.

 

[DaveSimmons]

My GPA is currently a measly 2.97 and has been down to 2.7 ... To me any parent who says a GPA of 3.5 isn't high enough are simply uncaring brutes.

Is your GPA below 3.0 because you're trying your best and finding it difficult, or because of too much partying and slacking off? If you lost your scholarship out of laziness it would be pretty heartless of you to have your dad working extra to make up for it.

As I said before, I'd have given the guy a warning / probation instead of just cutting him off, but if the parents know he can be getting above 3.5 with a little less partying they have every right to withold the money from their hard work until he takes his education more seriously. They have much more right to spend time goofing off than he does.

 

[MGMorden]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

My GPA is currently a measly 2.97 and has been down to 2.7 ... To me any parent who says a GPA of 3.5 isn't high enough are simply uncaring brutes.

Is your GPA below 3.0 because you're trying your best and finding it difficult, or because of too much partying and slacking off? If you lost your scholarship out of laziness it would be pretty heartless of you to have your dad working extra to make up for it.

I don't even go to parties. I'm doing my best. Now understand this: I already have a job at school. It's only part time and doesn't bring in anything near what I need to pay for my college. Now in my own way I'm paying for part with the loans and stuff, but if I were to work any more hours than I already am then my gpa would fall even further. I'd end up staying in school twice as long or just getting kicked out after it fell below 2.0. As it is now I'll still be graduating in the regular 4 years with my Computer Science BS degree. Now I'm now saying it would be heartless for my father to cut off my cash flow, as we really don't have the extra cash floating around, but he's willing to make it work. I'll do the same for my kids when they come along. If a student is doing fine and the parents have the extra cash they just choose to withhold it because a 3.5 isn't "good enough" then they've got problems.

 

[skace]

The entire point of college is to party, there is no other use for it. You go to college to develope a personality and learn to deal with the social aspects of life. Thats all there is to it. All the courses in the world you could learn on your own, the diploma may get you somewhere, but the social experiences you will get are irreplacable. Take that for what it is worth.

The GPA game is for gimps.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: MGMorden

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

My GPA is currently a measly 2.97 and has been down to 2.7 ... To me any parent who says a GPA of 3.5 isn't high enough are simply uncaring brutes.

Is your GPA below 3.0 because you're trying your best and finding it difficult, or because of too much partying and slacking off? If you lost your scholarship out of laziness it would be pretty heartless of you to have your dad working extra to make up for it.

I don't even go to parties. I'm doing my best. Now understand this: I already have a job at school. It's only part time and doesn't bring in anything near what I need to pay for my college. Now in my own way I'm paying for part with the loans and stuff, but if I were to work any more hours than I already am then my gpa would fall even further. I'd end up staying in school twice as long or just getting kicked out after it fell below 2.0. As it is now I'll still be graduating in the regular 4 years with my Computer Science BS degree. Now I'm now saying it would be heartless for my father to cut off my cash flow, as we really don't have the extra cash floating around, but he's willing to make it work. I'll do the same for my kids when they come along. If a student is doing fine and the parents have the extra cash they just choose to withhold it because a 3.5 isn't "good enough" then they've got problems.

i agree, it is a bit harsh... but 3.5 in CS is drastically different from 3.5 in the arts, imo.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: gopunk
i dunno about film, but that is pretty low for music, imo. if it was engineering, this would definitely be out of line... but music?

Well, he has gotten all A's in his music classes, and mostly A's in Film. He has just gotten a few B's in other basic required classes (such as English).

i'm not really familiar with letter grades... does B = 3.0?

 

[virusag11]

My suggestion, work for a company that will pay for your school

I work and go to school and maintain a 3.6 gpa with no effort at all. Just one more semester left (econ/geog major).

 

[notfred]

Yeah, chinese people suck, they're all unfair to thier children, and they make lousy, unloving parents whose main interest is to make themselves look good through thier children's accomplishments. :|

<- actually has no idea about Chinese parents, but that seems to be the general concensus.

 

[UDT89]

I had a over a 3.5 average in HS, and i played three sports. I got to college and had a bad first year, but found what i liked and had a 3.0. Then i couldnt get in the major, business, b/c my gpa was a 2.8 and the minimum for the major was a 3.0. So i took economics just so i can finish in 4 years. Ending up with a 2.5.

The reason my parents paid for my school is because i got recruited for football and baseball buy a lot of private schools. Even with getting 10-15 thousand a year in scholarships it still was gonna be 15k a year. So i agreed to go to a state school so i wouldnt have to take out loans. All in all it worked out great. My parents paid about 12k a year, and i got money back from my job which had tuition reinbursement. So in the end it was 9k a year. Not bad for tuition and dorming there.

If parents have the money they should help, it shouldnt matter about grades. If you have kids and want them to go to college, its your responsibility to get them through it. I remember when i was a incoming freshman, i knew jack about anything. If i had to deal with the bursar about having money every month i definitly would have bad grades. Handling money and taking a full course load is a lot harder than it was back 20 years ago. Just think, we're learning 20 more years of history than you had too. Doesnt sound like much, but with the internet/computers/stock market/economic trends........it adds up to a lot. Whats the point of having a college education, your parents have a lot of money, and you have 100k in college debt. If that happened to me, i'd live at home till i paid it off. I just feel that if i have kids in the future, i want to be able to pay for their schooling. The only things that would be hard to pay for are specialized schooling for becoming a doctor.

 

[hoihtah]

you should be ashamed of yourself...

what is that? 3.5 out of 10?

 

[Ultima]

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As for the GPA thing, I'm assuming he got a 3.5 because maybe he wasn't use to the quarter system, freedom, etc... the typical college first year. >>>

Wait, I don't get it. Why is 3.5 so bad? I thought it was all relative, that is, 3.5 is how good you're doing compared to others. So 3.5 should be pretty damn good, shouldn't it? Cutting anyone off for 3.5 is just cruel, period. If they had another reason that made more sense, then sure, but that reason sounds like bs to me.
They want this kid to be a slave? He has the rest of his life to be a slave to the corporate chain, life is not all about work.