2nd Whistleblower May Come Forward On Trump's Ukraine Call

[fskimospy]

The original complaint was lacking quite a bit of information.

The original complaint turned out to be basically entirely accurate so again why does it matter if it was firsthand or not?

I am confused as to why the whistleblower is even relevant anymore as other direct evidence has confirmed his reporting. All we should be discussing now is the criminal conduct that occurred and how we can hold the president accountable for it.

As far as whisleblowers are concerned, I suggest everyone read THIS article by Rolling Stone. It makes you remember Trump hasnt even come close to "retaliation" as previous administrations.

Man is that a dishonest piece of shit of an article. Taibbi should be ashamed of himself, as should whoever is editing him. Other whistleblowers were 'retaliated' against because they BROKE THE LAW. The whistleblower in this case FOLLOWED THE LAW. If you think whistleblower protections should be more significant that's fine but the fact that Taibbi didn't even once mention how breaking the law or not might influence government reactions to 'whistleblowing' means he is either woefully ignorant or willfully dishonest. Either way his article is garbage.

Taibbi really went nuts in the past few years about the whole Russia investigation. If I'm not mistaken to this day he has still never admitted to being wrong about it and admitted that all the 'hysterical' Democrats were pretty much right about it all.

 

[interchange]

The original complaint was lacking quite a bit of information.

Such as? The point is to blow the whistle. Going through official channels is how you do so without giving incomplete/classified/identifying information to the media. Realistically, only the Trump admin's obstruction and later voluntary release led to us knowing as much about it as we do. If the admin had followed the law, it would go to Congressional committee to choose what to do next in their oversight duties without public awareness.

As far as whisleblowers are concerned, I suggest everyone read THIS article by Rolling Stone. It makes you remember Trump hasnt even come close to "retaliation" as previous administrations.

So... What makes you a whistleblower is facing persecution for your actions? All of these examples were people who bypassed the official routes qualifying for whistleblower protection and, in the process, compromised the government in some fashion that wasn't necessary. Now... If they had tried an official route and got shut down, perhaps we should view them a bit differently.

 

[theeedude]

Do we need another whistleblower on this now that the transcript has already been released? Unless he is going to give new info.

 

[trenchfoot]

Do we need another whistleblower on this now that the transcript has already been released? Unless he is going to give new info.

As far as Trump's supporters are concerned, there will never ever be enough incontrovertible evidence produced to get Trump's ass kicked out of office. That Trump brazenly admitted to committing impeachable offenses should be all that's needed to successfully impeach him yet his supporters are still arguing why he shouldn't be for reasons that slide and dance their way around the actual facts of the matter and on into the realm of the surreal, the silly, the laughably unbelievably unbelievable.

This is the end of the road for Trump. All that's needed now is for the Dems to gather up enough nerve to go all in and get the job done that they were dutifully bound to pursue.

 

[TheVrolok]

The original complaint turned out to be basically entirely accurate so again why does it matter if it was firsthand or not?

I am confused as to why the whistleblower is even relevant anymore as other direct evidence has confirmed his reporting. All we should be discussing now is the criminal conduct that occurred and how we can hold the president accountable for it.

Absolutely without a doubt this. The whistleblower's concerns have been confirmed by the summary. Trump hasn't denied it, in fact, he's confirmed it. At this point, the whistleblower is entirely unnecessary/superfluous. There's no more discussion necessary.

 

[cytg111]

We have something in common then: You want to make people stand up and take care of themselves and I want them to never be able to be brainwahsed by conservatives. I guess we're a couple of Nannies.

And you are both catch 22s.. sad as it may be..

 

[Moonbeam]

And you are both catch 22s.. sad as it may be..

Well I see a difference. He wants to tough love as if you can make people stand up out of desperation, in my opinion whereas I want to give people a reason to want to by exposing the nature of their prison. Conservatives have been conditioned to fear failure whereas I would point to something that can be instilled by fear, the love of the acquisition of capacity which I also believe is part of out true nature.

 

[interchange]

Multiple corroborating accounts is always helpful when proving a case. Certainly there is plenty of proof present in the transcript alone, but this isn't about proof. It's about politics. Everyone that comes forward with tangible evidence is another opportunity for Republicans to wonder if supporting Trump really is their best option in 2020, and maybe more exposure lets someone actually consider the gravity of the risks to the country in keeping him around.

 

[Greenman]

Subject to, but not destined by. Huge difference.

While I agree with you, I think Jhhnn's point was that sometimes, through poor planning or simply bad luck, the shit hits the fan and leaves you in a very deep hole. I've been there before, it sucks on a galactic scale.

 

[Jhhnn]

We have something in common then: You want to make people stand up and take care of themselves and I want them to never be able to be brainwahsed by conservatives. I guess we're a couple of Nannies.

Not quite. I want Americans to stand up for each other. I object to the conservative notion that poverty is a state of moral depravity. Our Capitalist system creates winners and losers with no regard for morality at all. I've known decent hardworking people who never had much of anything & conniving psychopaths who are now worth millions. Go figure.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not quite. I want Americans to stand up for each other. I object to the conservative notion that poverty is a state of moral depravity. Our Capitalist system creates winners and losers with no regard for morality at all. I've known decent hardworking people who never had much of anything & conniving psychopaths who are now worth millions. Go figure.

My apologie to you and to cytg1111. I quoted your response to Greenman's post thinking it was his post. I meant to do this:

That's back on the political bandwagon. Trump was elected by the rules, that you disagree with the outcome of the election is a political issue.

As for your last statement, I don't have a party. I lean republican/libertarian, but only because I don't believe that we can take care of people that refuse to take care of themselves. I enjoy dreams, but I live in a hard reality where my every action has consequences and my success or failure is entirely of my own making.

What I object to about Greenman's analysis is that he was born into a system that others created that offered him the opportunity to achieve something driven by a need, healthy or fear driven, and with sufficient abilities to achieve in some area of competence for which he had sufficient aptitude and that he ran into none of the bumps or tragedies along the way that threw him off that path. He is a success, in other words, simply by luck. As to why he does not feel gratitude for his own good fortune and pity for those who got kicked repeatedly in the face early in life where a positive and striving attitude was destroyed before they even got a chance, I do not know. But I believe it's because we all went through the same self destroying grinder to some extent, and success was all he could manage to salvage of his own self respect. Now it's the only badge of honor he has in his treasure house, one that should be filled with multiple riches. The quality of mercy is not strained..........................

There is a Sufi story that has application here, it seems to me, called the Caravan of Dreams. It is the story of a man who travels far with nothing at all rejecting all offers of help because he has a caravan of riches on its way to him that finally arrives just as he said.

Attitude is everything, but how does on change it from bad to good?

 

[dawp]

Saw on news tonight that White House says it will not comply and turn over information unless and until officially impeached.

do y'all really think they will comply after that? I don't, not after all the crap they pulled leading up to this, they will just dig deeper and deeper.

 

[Jhhnn]

Saw on news tonight that White House says it will not comply and turn over information unless and until officially impeached.

It's like saying they won't turn over evidence to a grand jury until after they're indicted.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Democrats better start getting some fire in their bellies to get this shit done.
No more playing by the rules and waiting for compliance. No sense playing by the old rules if the other person is playing by new rules.

 

[SMOGZINN]

do y'all really think they will comply after that? I don't, not after all the crap they pulled leading up to this, they will just dig deeper and deeper.

No, the idea here is that once officially impeached it is out of the House's hands and goes to the Senate where they will simply allow the obstruction.

 

[dainthomas]

No, the idea here is that once officially impeached it is out of the House's hands and goes to the Senate where they will simply allow the obstruction.

But they have to vote. Turtle can't bury it, so each senator will be on record supporting blatant corruption (or not). No more mealy mouthed dodging of the issue, and potential opponents next year can use their vote against them.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

But they have to vote. Turtle can't bury it, so each senator will be on record supporting blatant corruption (or not). No more mealy mouthed dodging of the issue, and potential opponents next year can use their vote against them.

Or in my dream scenario it’s a secret vote. So much awesomeness could happen

 

[darkswordsman17]

Or in my dream scenario it’s a secret vote. So much awesomeness could happen

A secret vote that McConnell then resorts to finding out how they actually voted and that gets leaked (along with proof that McConnell resorted to some means to find out their actual identities). Even better, they find out Turmp tried as well after he tries to declare that Democrats somehow rigged the vote, and they have proof because Turmp went there and started screaming at the Senate live on C-SPAN.

 

[SMOGZINN]

But they have to vote. Turtle can't bury it, so each senator will be on record supporting blatant corruption (or not). No more mealy mouthed dodging of the issue, and potential opponents next year can use their vote against them.

Moscow Mitch has said that nothing says when they have to vote. He could easily wait a year or more until after the election. It is not like he has any problems putting off important decisions until after elections when it suits him.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

A secret vote that McConnell then resorts to finding out how they actually voted and that gets leaked (along with proof that McConnell resorted to some means to find out their actual identities). Even better, they find out Turmp tried as well after he tries to declare that Democrats somehow rigged the vote, and they have proof because Turmp went there and started screaming at the Senate live on C-SPAN.

The is a good chance Moscow Mitch is getting tired of the Presidents Bullshit, i am not sure if he prefers a one year President Pence or 1 to 5 years of Cadet Bone Spurs.

 

[darkswordsman17]

The is a good chance Moscow Mitch is getting tired of the Presidents Bullshit, i am not sure if he prefers a one year President Pence or 1 to 5 years of Cadet Bone Spurs.

I don't think it matters because I think Mitch is in the same boat, so if Turmp goes down, so will Mitch. He's concerned about saving his own ass most of all, and he's gonna have to do that by saving Turmp's.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't think it matters because I think Mitch is in the same boat, so if Turmp goes down, so will Mitch. He's concerned about saving his own ass most of all, and he's gonna have to do that by saving Turmp's.

Trump will lay waste to the GOP leadership if they cross him. Their base is now his base, heart & soul. They did it to themselves crazifying the poor bastards for decades. They created fertile ground for a leadership cult & didn't provide the leader. Trump took them by storm & usurped the role. They're now his hostages.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Trump will lay waste to the GOP leadership if they cross him. Their base is now his base, heart & soul. They did it to themselves crazifying the poor bastards for decades. They created fertile ground for a leadership cult & didn't provide the leader. Trump took them by storm & usurped the role. They're now his hostages.

That might be true, but I don't think that's something they're actually thinking. Assholes like that would tend to love to be able to take down another one that they hate, and there's no doubt that the others in the GOP hate Turmp. I still think its simply they're trying to do their own grifts and save their own asses. Its not like there's not ample evidence suggesting that either. How many times do we need to have some new blockbuster about all the cozying up Russia did with Republicans before people go "hmm, maybe the entire party or at least the major power brokers in it are complicit themselves?"