2nd Stimulus Bipartisan Bill Introduced

[Fenixgoon]

None of it matters in the face of this-

Trump says he’s taking 'high road' by not meeting with Democrats on coronavirus relief

Talks between the Trump administration and Congress on a new round of aid for those hit hard by the pandemic have been stalled since late July.

www.nbcnews.com

5d chess right there 😂

 

[Jhhnn]

5d chess right there 😂

But wait! There's more!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/16/trump-stimulus-payment-economic-relief/?hpid=hp_politics1-8-12_bailouthill-357pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

Plan? What plan?

 

[Jaskalas]

Just in case you forgot, negotiating and having back and forth talks is not a sign of dysfunction and instead a very good sign that our congress is currently capable of working.

Just in case you forgot, the Dem's proposal back in May - badly needed back then - sitting idle for 4 months is a death knell in this nation's recovery. Washington's barely there response to economic fallout pales in comparison to the protections an actual safety net would ensure. And until one exists we should all be screaming of their dysfunction and inability to save people undue and unjust pain and suffering.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Just in case you forgot, the Dem's proposal back in May - badly needed back then - sitting idle for 4 months is a death knell in this nation's recovery. Washington's barely there response to economic fallout pales in comparison to the protections an actual safety net would ensure. And until one exists we should all be screaming of their dysfunction and inability to save people undue and unjust pain and suffering.

Right, but we all know who gets the blame every time

 

[dank69]

Just in case you forgot, the Dem's proposal back in May - badly needed back then - sitting idle for 4 months is a death knell in this nation's recovery. Washington's barely there response to economic fallout pales in comparison to the protections an actual safety net would ensure. And until one exists we should all be screaming of their dysfunction and inability to save people undue and unjust pain and suffering.

What do you propose Democrats do differently?

 

[K1052]

Trump has signaled and now Meadows echos support for $1.5T via the Problem Solvers plan. The WH wants 20-30B more for airlines pronto. The remaining gap of 400ish billion seems potentially bridgeable.

Somebody must have gone into the Oval Office and used hand puppets to demonstrate how his own COS was tanking a deal and his electoral prospects.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What do you propose Democrats do differently?

Do what what Republicans do and follow their lead since they perform this duty much better.
Every single opportunity speak about how a relief bill was approved and is sitting in the Senate to be voted on.
Every Senator & Representative should be speaking of this every single day to every news outlet possible, including Fox.
In the Fox example where the host will shit on the deal just say that’s fine, let’s put it up for a vote. Yes or No.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Do what what Republicans do and follow their lead since they perform this duty much better.
Every single opportunity speak about how a relief bill was approved and is sitting in the Senate to be voted on.
Every Senator & Representative should be speaking of this every single day to every news outlet possible, including Fox.
In the Fox example where the host will shit on the deal just say that’s fine, let’s put it up for a vote. Yes or No.

I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, but you have to realize that they're still facing uphill battle. Republicans will either never hear the message because all the view is FOX news/Rush Limbaugh, or they will make excuses that the reason Senate is not picking up the bill is because it's full of Democratic pork.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, but you have to realize that they're still facing uphill battle. Republicans will either never hear the message because all the view is FOX news/Rush Limbaugh, or they will make excuses that the reason Senate is not picking up the bill is because it's full of Democratic pork.

Point #1 yeah everyone won’t hear but certainly 2 of 5 or 3 of 10 is far better than a bunch of news forum nerds.
Look at ACA how shows would ask random people “do you like Obama Care”
Many times it was “No”
Followed up by “Heres a new bill...” then they read ACA stuff and the voter is like “that sounds good”
Same thing, Democrats knowingly send stuff to the Senate to die and not a peep about it other than on the Maddow show.
Let the Fox host claim it has pork because all bills have pork depending upon your view. Just stick with let’s have a vote.

 

[Stryke1983]

So it looks like Democrats have compromised for the fourth (fifth?) time on a stimulus package. But the Republican majority is still blocking it, even though the proposed bill is now even smaller than what they suggested initially. So we've gone from:

Democrats: We want $3.6T VS Republicans: "Ermm, we can't agree on a plan amongst ourselves yet"
Dems: $3.4T VS Reps: "maybe $1T?"
Dems: How about $2.4T? VS Reps: No, just $1T
Dems: OK, let's just meet in the middle. $2.2T. Reps: No, $0.5T.
Dems: Wait, that's even smaller than what you said before.
Dems: Ok fine, $0.9T. Reps: No. $0.5T.

Someonesmind's interpretation of events. "Well the Democrats are clearly playing politics and preventing aid to the American people".

Meanwhile the Democrats have caved just so some sort of stimulus happens, have proposed a bi-partsan bill even smaller than what the Republicans initially wanted, only to have the Republicans STILL not go for it. There is literally nothing the Democrats could do to not be blamed other than just saying they'll vote for whatever the Republicans say. Seven months. It's been seven months since the House passed a stimulus package and the Republicans still haven't done anything. But you just know that they'll blame the new administration for the economic fallout.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So it looks like Democrats have compromised for the fourth (fifth?) time on a stimulus package. But the Republican majority is still blocking it, even though the proposed bill is now even smaller than what they suggested initially. So we've gone from:

Democrats: We want $3.6T VS Republicans: "Ermm, we can't agree on a plan amongst ourselves yet"
Dems: $3.4T VS Reps: "maybe $1T?"
Dems: How about $2.4T? VS Reps: No, just $1T
Dems: OK, let's just meet in the middle. $2.2T. Reps: No, $0.5T.
Dems: Wait, that's even smaller than what you said before.
Dems: Ok fine, $0.9T. Reps: No. $0.5T.

Someonesmind's interpretation of events. "Well the Democrats are clearly playing politics and preventing aid to the American people".

Meanwhile the Democrats have caved just so some sort of stimulus happens, have proposed a bi-partsan bill even smaller than what the Republicans initially wanted, only to have the Republicans STILL not go for it. There is literally nothing the Democrats could do to not be blamed other than just saying they'll vote for whatever the Republicans say. Seven months. It's been seven months since the House passed a stimulus package and the Republicans still haven't done anything. But you just know that they'll blame the new administration for the economic fallout.

This is the classic democrat failure. All democrats, Governors & Mayors included should be talking about this every single day. They should talk about this first when asked a question about something else.
Every Democrat representative should be putting effort into talking about this and tweeting multiple times per day.
They should also talk about the middle class tax increase that goes into effect soon due to the poorly constructed Trump tax cuts.
Every. Single. Moment should be filled with this.

 

[hal2kilo]

Moron Mitch makes fun of other Senators because they propose legislation that won't pass because the president won't sign it. Ya see, old Mitch is powerless, don't cha know.

 

[nakedfrog]

There is literally nothing the Democrats could do to not be blamed other than just saying they'll vote for whatever the Republicans say.
[...]
But you just know that they'll blame the new administration

The next four years in a nutshell

Come on Georgia, don't screw us!

 

[Jaskalas]

Dems: Ok fine, $0.9T. Reps: No. $0.5T.

I think we know whose homes to camp this summer. Fill their streets. Make it so all Senators need a helipad to travel back and forth.

 

[sactoking]

The Democrats are going to get suckered into passing a bill with massive corporate relief and no individual payments on the promise that the individual payments will be worked out later, only to have all support evaporate immediately.

 

[K1052]

The Democrats are going to get suckered into passing a bill with massive corporate relief and no individual payments on the promise that the individual payments will be worked out later, only to have all support evaporate immediately.

At the rate the GOP proposal is contracting by the time the Dems agree to that the Rep position will be that the poor must be turned in to Soylent Green.

 

[nickqt]

I think we know whose homes to camp this summer. Fill their streets. Make it so all Senators need a helipad to travel back and forth.

And once right-wing authoritarians come out and start setting shit on fire as agents provacateur AGAIN, you'll get upset at the pEaCeFuL PrOtEsTeRs.

The House needs to pass a bill that gives every US Adult $10,000, no means testing. Then get out in front of cameras and tell people it's McConnell stopping the bill from getting passed. The bill should have zero other payments to any other sector. Just $10,000 to every US Adult.

 

[cytg111]

Nancy Pelosi bent thy knee finally to the American people pressuring them to actually pass something instead of playing political games with Americans that are getting evicted by the millions.

Instead of passing the stimulus to help out Americans, Pelosi wanted to hang American lives over the coal fires to try and pressure Republicans to pass a bloated trap of 3T of extra goodies for her establishment. How nice.



Anyhow, she finally got enough pressure internally from her own party to make her realize how moronic that was.

https://money.yahoo.com/coronavirus-stimulus-bipartisan-caucus-unveils-15-trillion-proposal-143810175.html

Have you pitched in a donation for the Donalds legal woes? The good fight and all?

 

[fskimospy]

And once right-wing authoritarians come out and start setting shit on fire as agents provacateur AGAIN, you'll get upset at the pEaCeFuL PrOtEsTeRs.

The House needs to pass a bill that gives every US Adult $10,000, no means testing. Then get out in front of cameras and tell people it's McConnell stopping the bill from getting passed. The bill should have zero other payments to any other sector. Just $10,000 to every US Adult.

While I appreciate the simplicity of it any bill has to include aid for state and local governments as well as transit agencies. Without that there will be mass layoffs of teachers, cops, and firefighters.

 

[nickqt]

While I appreciate the simplicity of it any bill has to include aid for state and local governments as well as transit agencies. Without that there will be mass layoffs of teachers, cops, and firefighters.

No one is preventing a bill that provides money to local city and state agencies.

First, help the god damn citizens of the country. If you can't do that, then you're not a government, you're a philosophy debate society.

 

[fskimospy]

No one is preventing a bill that provides money to local city and state agencies.

First, help the god damn citizens of the country. If you can't do that, then you're not a government, you're a philosophy debate society.

Helping those agencies is helping the citizens of the country.

Edit: more importantly if they pass the bill you suggest without aid to state and local governments it will never happen. Republicans WANT those governments to go bankrupt because it means they will need to cut employees and services. The only way to get them to fund cities is to dangle other things they want.

 

[nickqt]

Helping those agencies is helping the citizens of the country.

Edit: more importantly if they pass the bill you suggest without aid to state and local governments it will never happen. Republicans WANT those governments to go bankrupt because it means they will need to cut employees and services. The only way to get them to fund cities is to dangle other things they want.

In case you hadn't noticed, McConnell/Republicans have already said nothing of substance will happen.

Now is the time to show what the Democrats are offering, compared to Republicans.

You want to take the Georgia Senate or not?

House Democrats can pass a bill to make sure all of the Super Merry Christmas Funds are allocated this year, or they can pass a fucking, "Here's $10,000 for You, Your Wife, and Your Two Adult Children" bill and then tell Georgians that the reason they won't be getting their money is because McConnell and Republicans own the Senate. I know which bill will heighten the contradictions between the Democratic Party and Republican Party.

Nothing is passing. This is about showing who the Democrats are for, and who the Republicans are against.

 

[fskimospy]

In case you hadn't noticed, the McConnell/Republicans have already said nothing of substance will happen.

Now is the time to show what the Democrats are offering, compared to Republicans.

You want to take the Georgia Senate or not?

House Democrats can pass a bill to make sure all of the Super Merry Christmas Funds are allocated this year, or they can pass a fucking, "Here's $10,000 for You, Your Wife, and Your Two Adult Children" bill and then tell Georgians that the reason they won't be getting their money is because McConnell and Republicans own the Senate.

Nothing is passing. This is about showing who the Democrats are for, and who the Republicans are against.

Well in that case if it doesn’t matter if anything is passing they should pass a bill with both in it, because I bet you telling people that Republicans are going to get the cops laid off would poll pretty well. They are literally defunding the police!

 

[nickqt]

Well in that case if it doesn’t matter if anything is passing they should pass a bill with both in it, because I bet you telling people that Republicans are going to get the cops laid off would poll pretty well. They are literally defunding the police!

First, pass a bill that directly helps every actual breathing American, rather than local/city/state governments that doesn't directly help every breathing American.

The time for making abstract policy arguments is not right now. Abstract policy arguments require functioning adults, which the Senate doesn't currently have.

First, offer cold hard cash to every American, and tell Georgian in particular that they get to decide whether they're going to collect cold hard cash, or elect a couple of multimillionaires who MADE MONEY during the pandemic.

Once Georgians make the Senate functioning again, then we can get into abstract policy arguments on how much money random nameless fire departments in states you've never been to are going to receive.

The 2020 General Election is still going. You want to win this thing or what?

 

[fskimospy]

First, pass a bill that directly helps every actual breathing American, rather than local/city/state governments that doesn't directly help every breathing American.

The time for making abstract policy arguments is not right now. Abstract policy arguments require functioning adults, which the Senate doesn't currently have.

First, offer cold hard cash to every American, and tell Georgian in particular that they get to decide whether they're going to collect cold hard cash, or elect a couple of multimillionaires who MADE MONEY during the pandemic.

Once Georgians make the Senate functioning again, then we can get into abstract policy arguments on how much money random nameless fire departments in states you've never been to are going to receive.

The 2020 General Election is still going. You want to win this thing or what?

Police and firefighters help every American. I do want to win this thing, which is why if you’re making a messaging bill you should include super popular measures in it like funding police and teachers!

This is not an abstract policy argument - do you want to fire lots of cops and teachers or do you not?