290 vs 290x for single-gpu OC

[Slomo4shO]

I said I wouldn't touch the 290 for $500+. How does that equate to "I wouldn't buy the 290 at all"?

You said the R9 290 is overpriced, my comment refuted this statement. Not sure why you are trying to read between the lines to construct your own interpretation...

 

[cmdrdredd]

You said the R9 290 is overpriced, my comment refuted this statement. Not sure why you are trying to read between the lines to construct your own interpretation...

And when major retailers are gouging..yes that is overpriced.

 

[Slomo4shO]

And when major retailers are gouging..yes that is overpriced.

When their competitors are not, it isn't :whiste:

 

[cmdrdredd]

When their competitors are not, it isn't :whiste:

There are too many disreputable sites out there to buy from someplace I never heard of though.

 

[IEC]

Fscta to back up this statement? Counterpoint to create a valid argument?

I think the 290 is way overpriced because the market made it so. If I was looking at a new card I wouldn't touch the 290 for $500+

For one, blackened doesn't own a 290 or 290X and is spreading FUD when he talks about the supposed "OMG jet engine!" noise of the coolers. For gaming I had no issues with the slight whoosh of the blower. If I did Furmark or scrypt mining without a custom fan profile then yeah, it was loud. But it doesn't get that loud under a typical gaming load.

Then he spreads FUD about pricing. If you take 5 minutes to look beyond Newegg, Amazon, and TD, you will find plenty of reference 290s @ $409-420 and non-reference from $450-480. Availability has spiked upward this week due to a fall in cryptocurrency profitability, so I expect prices to trend downward over the next few weeks.


Callouts and personal attacks are against the forum rules.

-Rvenger

 

[IEC]

There are too many disreputable sites out there to buy from someplace I never heard of though.

There are plenty in stock at ~MSRP at a very reputable (> 9.7 reseller ratings, 2400+ reviews) store as well.

 

[Fastx]

Good point blackened. With current pricing it makes it hard to recommend the top AMD cards right now unless you plan on mining. For strictly gaming a 780 Lightning or Classified is the better bet if reference 290's cost the same money.

IMO, if you can pick up a 290 Tri-X for $450-500 or a 780 Lightning/Classified for $500, that would be your best bet.

If I could get a Tri-X 290 for $450.00, I would buy it today without a doubt! I would consider $500.00 but that would be my max and do its good cooling on the GPU and VRM's when overclocking from what I have seen so far.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I'd still go with the 780, 290\x compete with stock 780 OC. As soon as you start giving GK110 voltage either with a tank card like the classy or with the inflated power budget of the GHz or just flat out flashing skynet bios on anything else the 780 starts to stretch it's legs. There isn't much else you can do with the 290\x they're already pegging 1.4v to compete with 1.187v 780s.

 

[Fastx]

I'd still go with the 780, 290\x compete with stock 780 OC. As soon as you start giving GK110 voltage either with a tank card like the classy or with the inflated power budget of the GHz or just flat out flashing skynet bios on anything else the 780 starts to stretch it's legs. There isn't much else you can do with the 290\x they're already pegging 1.4v to compete with 1.187v 780s.

I agree with everything you say per above from what I have seen, its that damn Mantle that has a hook in me on this. So if I could get a Tri-X for this price I would take a chance before seeing Mantle. I know its only one game so far but if I CF down the road for one reason or another then other games will could come into play as CF would last me longer. I think I am putting a little too much weight into Mantle but afraid of missing out on this feature and willing to take a gamble if I could get a TRI-X at said price above before Mantle results.

 

[Slomo4shO]

If I could get a Tri-X 290 for $450.00, I would buy it today without a doubt! I would consider $500.00 but that would be my max and do its good cooling on the GPU and VRM's when overclocking from what I have seen so far.

$450 is the MSRP of the Tri-X. You can special order it from ShopBLT today for $470 if you are willing to wait up to 15 business days for it to be shipped.

I'd still go with the 780, 290\x compete with stock 780 OC. As soon as you start giving GK110 voltage either with a tank card like the classy or with the inflated power budget of the GHz or just flat out flashing skynet bios on anything else the 780 starts to stretch it's legs. There isn't much else you can do with the 290\x they're already pegging 1.4v to compete with 1.187v 780s.

Eh?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Returns/exchanges on sealed boxes only.. Yeah no thanks, I bet their cs agent is a real doll too.

 

[blackened23]

For one, blackened doesn't own a 290 or 290X and is spreading FUD when he talks about the supposed "OMG jet engine!" noise of the coolers. For gaming I had no issues with the slight whoosh of the blower. If I did Furmark or scrypt mining without a custom fan profile then yeah, it was loud. But it doesn't get that loud under a typical gaming load.

Then he spreads FUD about pricing. If you take 5 minutes to look beyond Newegg, Amazon, and TD, you will find plenty of reference 290s @ $409-420 and non-reference from $450-480. Availability has spiked upward this week due to a fall in cryptocurrency profitability, so I expect prices to trend downward over the next few weeks.

Okay. If you say so buddy. It's not like there are 15 million website reviews, including reviews on AT, that have measured the 290 reference cooler being louder than the GTX 480. Aside from this, I used 7970CF. Anyone telling me it "isn't that bad" at 55% is on some serious mind altering drugs.. The 7970 uses the same fan design as the 290. I know what it sounds like. Oddly enough, the 7970s didn't "require" 55% fan speed in reference form. As it turns out, the reference 290X does. Unless you want throttling. So that leaves us in a pickle there, huh? The 290 reference is also meant to compete with the 780. Want to gander any guesses on how well the 290 reference cooler sounds compared to the Titan shroud on auto fan?

The pricing is what it is. You can vaguely state that you can find these cards at MSRP if you F5 amazon nonstop, but I do find it interesting that despite these claims that none of these cards are in stock anywhere for MSRP. Who woulda thought. FUD ? Yeah okay. What-ever you say. We'll just pretend that these cards are in stock everywhere, at MSRP, we're all stupid like that.

Anyway, like I said, reference 290 is a no go. But if you find an aftermarket at MSRP through extraordinary luck, I already stated it is a good buy. You will never see me saying that an aftermarket 290 at MSRP isn't a good buy, clearly it is. The problem is, for everyone else who doesn't F5 amazon.com through false hopes 18 hours a day, they could just get the alternative nvidia solution and call it a day. It's all up to the buyer. I know I just want to buy what I want to buy. I don't want to travel 1.5 hours to a microcenter (although I should point out, MC is NOW gouging like everyone else) or F5 a website for 18 hours a day just because i'm a mining freak that is obsessed with hashrate. If that's your thing go for it buddy.

I do understand that AMD has a loyal dedicated following that will go the EXTRA MILE for that AMD GPU. They will climb mountains for their reference 290. They will travel the extra 2.5 hours despite the gas costs. They will F5 a website for 18 hours a day. For the loyal and faithful minions, it's all up to the buyer. If they want to do that, hey great. Good on AMD. Most of us? Just buy what we want to buy for PC gaming performance and call it a day. And get free prime shipping on amazon or free shoprunner on newegg/TD. But if someone wants to go the extra mile in the search of the elusive 290 at MSRP GPUs, go for it.


I am about to go the extra mile to put you on vacation if I see anymore of your last paragraph. You are completely destroying the discussion with these fanboy arguments.

-Rvenger

 

[cmdrdredd]

There are plenty in stock at ~MSRP at a very reputable (> 9.7 reseller ratings, 2400+ reviews) store as well.

Is there a reason you dont provide a link for the benefit of the OP and others?

 

[Elfear]

I'd still go with the 780, 290\x compete with stock 780 OC. As soon as you start giving GK110 voltage either with a tank card like the classy or with the inflated power budget of the GHz or just flat out flashing skynet bios on anything else the 780 starts to stretch it's legs. There isn't much else you can do with the 290\x they're already pegging 1.4v to compete with 1.187v 780s.

I don't know, I'm thinking a stock 780 is going to need one heck of an oc to compete with a 290(X).

 

[Slomo4shO]

Returns/exchanges on sealed boxes only.. Yeah no thanks, I bet their cs agent is a real doll too.

The return policy is 30 days but special orders do have limitations that are clearly stated on the product page...

A+ rating on BBB

9.5/10 at TrustPilot

4/5 at Resellerratings.com

They have, thus far, shipped every one of my orders the same day and their RMAs are streamlined via an online order form. The only negative I have experienced is the lack of a user profile to maintain my order history.

 

[Majcric]

The GTX 780 ti is the GPU you want since you're not talking about price/performance ratio. If you consider price/performance then the GTX 780 is the card you want. The lightning or Classified as others have mentioned.

 

[blackened23]

http://www.shopblt.com/item/sapphire-technology-11227-00-40g-sap-radeon-r9/u150_112270040g.html

This item is not in stock. It is ordered from the manufacturer as needed. After you place your order, we will order it from the manufacturer. When it arrives into our warehouse, usually within 15 business days, we will fill your order and ship it to you. If the estimated time of arrival (ETA) changes from 15 business days, we will notify you and update your order's online status.

I was pretty surprised to find it not in stock. "usually" within 15 business days. Maybe someone should do a fact finding mission on what actual shipping time for not in stock items is with these clowns, although I don't really plan on trying.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I don't know, I'm thinking a stock 780 is going to need one heck of an oc to compete with a 290(X).

Considing that's sub 900MHz 780 performance its not really hard to see how that changes so quickly.

 

[Slomo4shO]

http://www.shopblt.com/item/sapphire-technology-11227-00-40g-sap-radeon-r9/u150_112270040g.html

I was pretty surprised to find it not in stock. "usually" within 15 business days. Maybe someone should do a fact finding mission on what actual shipping time for not in stock items is with these clowns, although I don't really plan on trying.

Ships within the same day as they receive inventory. I ordered two R9 290s that were on back order with an estimated arrival date and they were shipped on the specified date. Received them within 2 business days here in Arizona and the retailer seems to be in Marlborough, CT so I was impressed considering there was no shipping charge.

 

[Fastx]

The return policy is 30 days but special orders do have limitations that are clearly stated on the product page...

A+ rating on BBB

9.5/10 at TrustPilot

4/5 at Resellerratings.com

They have, thus far, shipped every one of my orders the same day and their RMAs are streamlined via an online order form. The only negative I have experienced is the lack of a user profile to maintain my order history.

Thanks for the link, but if I buy a card from them install it and there is a problem I can not return it or exchange it. I would have to go though Sapphire and this would be a deal breaker for me.

You have to put it in the cart to see Returns / Exchanges: Sealed Product Only.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Ships within the same day as they receive inventory. I ordered two R9 290s that were on back order with an estimated arrival date and they were shipped on the specified date. Received them within 2 business days here in Arizona and the retailer seems to be in Marlborough, CT so I was impressed considering there was no shipping charge.

Reminds me of a product testimonial on a website.


If you can't add any value to the discussion please just stay out of the thread.


-Rvenger

 

[Slomo4shO]

You have to put it in the cart to see Returns / Exchanges: Sealed Product Only.

It is also mentioned on the product page right underneath the product title. This appears to be the case for all the non-reference design cards that they are currently special ordering.

Reminds me of a product testimonial on a website.

You are sure to scream foul play every time something doesn't fit your narrative...

I bought the first 4 cards from Newegg Business for $320 each and I publicized that deal. Newegg gouged their pricing and I went to another retailer. This retailer lived up to my expectations so I am sharing my experience. Take it with a grain of salt or dismiss it entirely but don't attempt to belittle my commentary without any substantiated proof.

Also, good job completely dismissing my rebuttle to your claim that "290\x compete with stock 780 OC."



Next time don't respond and just hit the report post button.

-Rvenger

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Just pointing out the obvious. I'm not one to use shady web sites with terrible stipulations and no PayPal.

What you wrote read like a testimonial you'd read on a website, don't read into it too far.

 

[Slomo4shO]

Just pointing out the obvious. I'm not one to use shady web sites with terrible stipulations and no PayPal.

It isn't the obvious. You are stating OPINION. Unless, of course, you have any real backing to your claim that the retailer is shady...

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Oh look a post on a forum.

lol, joke.

It isn't the obvious. You are stating OPINION. Unless, of course, you have any real backing to your claim that the retailer is shady...

Does it really matter either way? You offered your opinion, I offered mine.