$27 million 7-day Creationism Museum set to open in KY

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
This isn't science, it's religion. I can't even see any arguable reason for this to even be considered 'science'. The only way for someone to accept this as science is if their mind was so open everything fell out.

Thank goodness only nutcases in the laughingstock we call the Kentucky board of education consider this drivel and storytelling to be anything close to 'science'.

Umm, you've forgotten all of the resident "fundies", as Dave likes to call them.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Billions in tithes stand to be lost weekly if the people ever figure out that what they were taught from the Bible is a joke.

I corrected that for you, Moonbeam.

 

[umbrella39]

hk, here is a for your comments on your own OP. Pst, why would "libs" want to shut the place down? Ah yes, I forget sometimes, most of you freepers posting here think that only YOUR side can believe in God, which btw, is prettry much against everything that Jesus taught us. But you keep going every Sunday and maybe just one fine day, you'll figure out that God does not care who you vote for. Those who try and sell Creation as some GOP trademark sure haven't got a clue about the Bible. Hell, I might just have to pray for you tonight now. Thanks!

 

[UberNeuman]

I wonder what Jesus would have used $27 million dollars for - maybe to help out the poor....

/crazy idea, i know....

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: nonameo
Creationists can be scientists, but creationism isn't science.

Creation models make predictions about the observable world, predictions that are falsifiable and can tested empirically. Much of the Creation literature is this nature of study, which is most certainly scientific...

No, creation or intelligent design is NOT falsifiable. There is no way to disprove the existence of a higher being. It simply can't be done. Simple as that.

As it is not falsifiable, it cannot be valid science.

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: K1052
A monument to willful ignorance and our collective delusions of self importance.

How grand.

It is amazing that your statement describes Democrats to a tee also. I guess they have more in common with the religious nuts than they think.

Republicans too.

Originally posted by: K1052
How anyone can look at he fossil record, geology, and astronomy and argue for the young earth theory with a straight face is quite simply baffling beyond all comprehension. It is an exercise in preserving a belief in the face of all logical evidence to the contrary. Being intentionally obtuse is not what I call "having an open mind".

"1984" talked about this, or at least something similar: "Doublethink," being able to hold two contradictory thoughts at once, without seeing the contradiction.

 

[hellokeith]

Umbrella - No where in my topic did I mention political affiliation. Rudy Giuliani is an abortion-toting liberal for whom I'd never vote.

UberNeuman - You might want to check your New Testament.
Matthew 26: 6While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, 7a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.
8When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. "Why this waste?" they asked. 9"This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor."

10Aware of this, Jesus said to them, "Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.

 

[Arcex]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
UberNeuman - You might want to check your New Testament.
Matthew 26: 6While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, 7a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.
8When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. "Why this waste?" they asked. 9"This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor."

10Aware of this, Jesus said to them, "Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.

Kinda selfish IMO, but what can you expect from an average, mortal man?

 

[Gigantopithecus]

"My gut feeling tells me the Hebrew word for day in Genesis is a 24-hour day"

The scientific evidence is astonishing.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
Umbrella - No where in my topic did I mention political affiliation. Rudy Giuliani is an abortion-toting liberal for whom I'd never vote.

UberNeuman - You might want to check your New Testament.
Matthew 26: 6While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, 7a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.
8When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. "Why this waste?" they asked. 9"This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor."

10Aware of this, Jesus said to them, "Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.

real nice of you to take it out of context to try make some lame point... Jesus was speaking of his upcoming death to his friends with that remark.

/wow, fundies will stop at nothing to be "right."

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
To be honest I think you need to broaden your horizons if all that you believe in is based off what some strange scientist wrote in the 1800s. The reason why the theory of evolution has remained a theory for 200 years is that it does not have enough impirical evidence to back it up.

Evolution is a theory in the same way there is a theory of gravity, except if anything the Theory of Evolution has far more evidence behind it.

You don't even understand the basics of science. Its merely labeled a theory because of the broad area of biology that is covered by it, it has NOTHING to do with somehow there being a lack of proof for evolutionary theory.

By contrast, Creationism simply can't hold up to any serious attempt at a rational examination of it. That's definitely not what the museum is doing by the way.

 

[Siddhartha]

"So will secular scientists actually go there with an open mind and evaluate the evidence? Or is evolution their blind religion?

Will libs respect the freedoms of speech and religion, and engage students in mindful discussions on the scientific evidence presented there? Or will they try to shut down this place because it offers scientific evidence for God and Creation? Give it bad press in the lib media?"[/quote]

1. Creationism is not a science. You can believe that when it thunders Thor is angry but that it isn't science.

2. How is this a conservative vs liberal issue?

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
/wow, fundies will stop at nothing to be "right."

Nah, this type of religion has nothing to do with being right, it's about bilking suckers like the OP out of their money. Take Kent Hovind for example. Unfortunately Mr. Hovind's no longer able to profiteer from his Creation Museum since he's now incarcerated for tax evasion & obstruction of justice, among other charges.

As a university researcher & instructor of evolutionary biology, I have no desire to 'shut that place down'. What those folks do with their money is their business (as long as they're not breaking the law), & they're free to say whatever they want. When they take 3rd generation antibiotics to treat an illness their actions speak louder than their words.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: Aisengard

The tour continues to take visitors through a series of rooms. One depicts biblical times and the prophets, the next shows Martin Luther posting his 95 Theses, the printing press, and the Scopes monkey trial of 1925. Visitors are then led through rooms depicting modern times, where exhibits imply that a lack of faith hurts the family and society.

The next part of the tour journeys through the various stories of Genesis, including the Garden of Eden and Noah's Ark, and marries them with science. Adam and Eve are seen living alongside dinosaurs and Noah's Ark is used to explain why certain species went extinct.

This isn't science, it's religion. I can't even see any arguable reason for this to even be considered 'science'. The only way for someone to accept this as science is if their mind was so open everything fell out.

Thank goodness only nutcases in the laughingstock we call the Kentucky board of education consider this drivel and storytelling to be anything close to 'science'.

The scientists who believe in Creation are not simply trying to empirically prove that God created the world in 6 days... they are showing how historical events recorded in the Bible are fully compatible with empirical evidence. They are offering a framework hypothesis, a model -- like evolution does -- to explain the facts.

I'm familiar with a lot of that "scientific" work, and it's all smoke and mirrors to give religious folks at least SOME semblance of scientific argument so they feel alright trying to bring religion into the realm of science. But it all seems like a lot of smoke and mirrors, especially since nothing I've read has anything to say about the creation of the earth or the development of the species.

Creationism, from top to bottom, is bad science. To the extent that it offers a "framework hypothesis" (using sciency sounding words doesn't make it science), it does nothing to explain the facts. There are a lot of scientific facts surrounding the existence of the earth and the various species that inhabit it. The big bang theory, evolution, etc, do a respectable job of using the scientific method to explain WHY what we know happened, happened. Creationism does not...it simply offers a set of alternative facts, with no evidence to suggest they in any way reflect reality, and then offer an explanation for those new facts. If you start from a religious basis, instead of a scientific one, what comes out will almost certainly not be science.

 

[Aisengard]

I for one enjoy the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Just as scientific, and far tastier.

http://www.venganza.org/about

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
I for one enjoy the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Just as scientific, and far tastier.

http://www.venganza.org/about

<<Bows down to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the creator of the universe, and everything in it.:laugh:

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
Umbrella - No where in my topic did I mention political affiliation. Rudy Giuliani is an abortion-toting liberal for whom I'd never vote.

"libs" generally = democrats, no? I don't think you were referring to RG in the OP so much as the generalized, crazytree-hugging liberal monster that some choose to believe in. Dave, sit down

If you had used athiests instead of libs, I would have been right with you in your OP comments.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
When they take 3rd generation antibiotics to treat an illness their actions speak louder than their words.

The simple fact is, reasoning with people who believe what they believe is akin to reasoning with your refridgerator. Let me give you an example. Thousands of times per day in America alone, people walk into their local hospital and say "What can you do to help my (wife, son, daughter, husband, mother, etc)?" Once we, the people working in the hospital, who practice modern medicine, aka "science", save that person's (life, arm, leg, mangled hand, etc), they then proclaim "Gawd saved Johnny's/Suzy's (life, arm, leg, mangled hand, etc)" I mean, my dog reasons much better than that.:laugh:

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: myocardia
The simple fact is, reasoning with people who believe what they believe is akin to reasoning with your refridgerator. Let me give you an example. Thousands of times per day in America alone, people walk into their local hospital and say "What can you do to help my (wife, son, daughter, husband, mother, etc)?" Once we, the people working in the hospital, who practice modern medicine, aka "science", save that person's (life, arm, leg, mangled hand, etc), they then proclaim "Gawd saved Johnny's/Suzy's (life, arm, leg, mangled hand, etc)" I mean, my dog reasons much better than that.:laugh:

Take a ball in your hand, and make a throwing motion, but don't release the ball.
Reasoning can always be diverted, sometimes with a simple trick.

I don't get it either when something horrible happens, killing many people, and the one who survives says, "God was on my side." Is that to imply that God hated those who died? "Oh snap, I'd have saved you all but I was on this guy's side."

 

[jackschmittusa]

This kind of thing is what keeps the U.S. a laughing stock with the rest of the industrial nations.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
I don't get it either when something horrible happens, killing many people, and the one who survives says, "God was on my side." Is that to imply that God hated those who died? "Oh snap, I'd have saved you all but I was on this guy's side."

I'll give you one better: the athlete, playing whatever sport, who wins, and says it's all because of his gawd.:laugh: Really, if you were the sole person/deity that was responsible for keeping every planet, and every star, in the universe in alignment, like they like to claim, would you really be helping the Giants win a football game? If you were, how exactly would you do that, without cheating? Are they actually, then, admitting that their gawd cheats, so they can win?

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
This kind of thing is what keeps the U.S. a laughing stock with the rest of the industrial nations.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[GrGr]

Haha, comedy thread

 

[Corbett]

How dare those awful Christians build a building to explain the science behind what they believe!

 

[dennilfloss]

Originally posted by: Corbett
How dare those awful fundies build a building to endoctrinate the young!

T, FTFY

 

[mfs378]

What a joke. I think it would be a blast to go to this museum. Nothing like the sheer stupidity of others (in a kid-running-into-a-closed-glass-door kind of way) to make you laugh.

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: hellokeith
Umbrella - No where in my topic did I mention political affiliation. Rudy Giuliani is an abortion-toting liberal for whom I'd never vote.

UberNeuman - You might want to check your New Testament.
Matthew 26: 6While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, 7a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.
8When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. "Why this waste?" they asked. 9"This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor."

10Aware of this, Jesus said to them, "Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.

real nice of you to take it out of context to try make some lame point... Jesus was speaking of his upcoming death to his friends with that remark.

/wow, fundies will stop at nothing to be "right."

You asked what would Jesus do and I gave you a direct and in-context passage of scripture on that very subject. Christianity is not a formulaic legalistic follow-the-rules religion, thus asking what would Jesus do will fail you many times. If the people at this museum are being obedient to what God wants them to do, then they are true followers of Christ, and their work (and investment) will be blessed and show fruit.

 

[DealMonkey]

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