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2500+ Barton vs. P4 2.4c - Worth the price difference?

cmai

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I'm a college student on a budget. The Barton is enticing because of the price and it's raving reviews. But I've been told the higher end P4s with the 800fsb and HT technology perform better. Do you all think the price difference of about $70 is justifiable to get the 2.4c?

Thanks for your input,

cmai
 
put together systems using newegg and see if the price difference is okay with you
yes the p4c 2.4 is a tad faster but you shouldnt need that speed for a college student.

I'm a freshman and all i'm doing is schoolwork....barely gaming...i know i could have gotten a barton and a higher class vid card but the DAD said get intel
 
What are we talking about?
Barton XP 2500+ versus Pentium4 2.4C?
I have a couple of each on the top quality motherboards and they are not even close. 2.4C is a heck of a lot faster on default.
Now with overclocking you can expect to get Barton to say (generously) 2.3 GHz which is about 26% overclock. I guess there is an equal chance to get 2.4C at 3.2 GHz which is 30% overclock, so there is no point when they can be compared else than at the price. Decent 2.4C system at the newegg will cost you about $700 and Barton will be say $610. These are my calculations. Or Pentium will cost about 14-15% more. I think that is fair. For that system is at least 15% faster.
 
Anyone who tells you Intel is a better value has a very odd hidden agenda. The $90 XP2500 with a $90 nForce2 motherboard will provide more power than you'll need at college. A $170 P4C 2.4 and a $90 Intel motherboard will be SLIGHTLY faster... but not 40-50% faster.
Don't let people tell you to go Intel because of the decreased heat either. The truth is, Intel processors create the same, or even more heat as AMD processors, they only run cooler cause of the larger core. So while the processor runs cooler, your dorm will get just as warm because that heat is being transferred into the air.
Reliability isn't a concern anymore either... just make sure you follow the instructions when installing the heatsink so you don't crack the core or shove a screw driver through the motherboard.
If you can afford the extra 44% for Intel, go ahead and get it... you may find it's strong points useful if you decide to copy DVD's and convert to divx to share on the network at college.
If you don't plan to play games, and don't plan to do media encoding, anything over 1 Ghz will be perfectly fine... even a Celeron :Q
 
well, the 2.4C is $170 at newegg and the barton is $85

the 2.4C isnt even close to being twice as fast as the 2500+ so i'd say it isnt worth the difference
 
well, the 2.4C is $170 at newegg and the barton is $85
Here we go again.
2.4C in $170 is a retail package with adequate heatsink (good for overclocking) and 3-year warranty.
$85 Barton is OEM, no heatsink, no warranty.

Beside you can stick that CPU in your butt since they don't run without another $500 hardware.

There is also a plenty of evidence that 2.4C is significantly faster, has been posted on many sites.
 
Originally posted by: stevejst
well, the 2.4C is $170 at newegg and the barton is $85
Here we go again.
2.4C in $170 is a retail package with adequate heatsink (good for overclocking) and 3-year warranty.
$85 Barton is OEM, no heatsink, no warranty.

Beside you can stick that CPU in your butt since they don't run without another $500 hardware.

Lol... so last time I checked, $180 + $500 is still less than $260 + $500
 
Here is the comparison of the Intel 2.4C and AMD Barton XP 2500 retail coolers, the second picture. On the right side is the Intel cooler and on the left is the sorry AMD cooler.
 
Originally posted by: stevejst
well, the 2.4C is $170 at newegg and the barton is $85
Here we go again.
2.4C in $170 is a retail package with adequate heatsink (good for overclocking) and 3-year warranty.
$85 Barton is OEM, no heatsink, no warranty.

Beside you can stick that CPU in your butt since they don't run without another $500 hardware.

There is also a plenty of evidence that 2.4C is significantly faster, has been posted on many sites.

actually the retail is $171 🙂

fine, $92 for a retail 2500+. that means that the p4 is 86% more
 
Originally posted by: stevejst
Here is the comparison of the Intel 2.4C and AMD Barton XP 2500 retail coolers, the second picture. On the right side is the Intel cooler and on the left is the sorry AMD cooler.

why is the amd cooler sorry??? cuz it's small? who cares?

does it cool the cpu? yes

what else do u want?
 
why is the amd cooler sorry??? cuz it's small? who cares?
Because it is sorry. I do not know anybody that overclocks AMD processor using AMD stock cooler. Guess why.
For example in your case the cooling package is SLK-800 which is $30 plus the TT Smart fan which is $10. With the shipping that is about $45-50, right? For what? 2.2 GHz Barton that is 1.83 default? 20% overclock?
 
Originally posted by: shady06
Originally posted by: stevejst
Here is the comparison of the Intel 2.4C and AMD Barton XP 2500 retail coolers, the second picture. On the right side is the Intel cooler and on the left is the sorry AMD cooler.

why is the amd cooler sorry??? cuz it's small? who cares?

does it cool the cpu? yes

what else do u want?

for it to make me dinner
 
Originally posted by: stevejst
why is the amd cooler sorry??? cuz it's small? who cares?
Because it is sorry. I do not know anybody that overclocks AMD processor using AMD stock cooler. Guess why.
For example in your case the cooling package is SLK-800 which is $30 plus the TT Samrt fan which is $10. With the shipping that is about $45-50, right? For what? 2.2 GHz Barton that is 1.83 default?

did he mention anything about overclocking?

also, as far as i know, a lot of people use aftermarket HSF for intel as well

btw, sk7 and case fan for under $20 or a coolermaster X-dream under $10 is sufficent to overclock
 
sk7 and case fan for under $20
That is available nowhere. SK-7 is $20 and a bal bearing fan (sleeve fan is a nonsense though I am sure some people use it) is $5. Another $5 for shipping makes it $30.
It is not expensive but it is certainly not less than $20.
 
I love your statement about what's an adequate system to run games and that it makes the presumption that any chip under one gigahertz is not adequate for games. Adequate Means being sufficient for a specific task, or barely sufficient and satisfactory. That's right my fellow people of the forums YOU TRULY DO NOT NEED THE FASTEST,COOLEST, and MOST EXPENSIVE PARTS TO BUILD A COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PLAY GAMES! Please Now Read This!

MY NEPHEW'S COMPUTER


Hewlett packard xe783

With

Made For HP Asus motherboard

Celeron 700mhz processor

320 Megs of pc-100 ram

32x Packard Bell Cd-rom from 1998

3.5" floppy

PNY Geforce FX 5200 PCI Video Card

10/100 mbps pci ethernet adapter

Built in 56k fax modem

Built in crystal audio sound card

30 gb maxtor 5400 r.p.m hard drive

Sony 15" trinitron multiscan monitor from 1999(used)

2-usb 1.1 ports

Thrustmaster digital gamepad

Micro Innovations Wireless Mouse and Keyboard Combo


With this System He plays medal of honor aa spearhead online and Wolfenstein Enemy Territory at acceptable frame rates with little or almost no lag, and usually it's very smooth, granted with no eye candy but it still looks ok and runs descent.

He also plays Splinter Cell, Quake 3, The Matrix, Civilization 3, Ghost Recon, Unreal 2 and other games in non-online play. He could probably run just about any game I have and play it pretty smoothly. The real big difference in performance was the Geforce FX video card. I had first purchased a radeon 7500 pci video card and abruptly returned it upon the installation of the first game i tried on his system. That's when for his birthday i proceeeded to buy him the geforce fx 5200 pci video card with 128mb ddr ram. After doing this i was very very pleased with the overall boost in performance on his windows mellenium operated system. Quake 3 arena timedemo 1 actually hit over 60 frames per second with 4x AA and 4x AF, at 800x600 resoloution with all the quake 3 graphics settings all the way up. Now for a 4 year old computer to do that, that's Good Stuff, or Adequate as they would SAY!

Now I am not proclaiming that the computer is the best or will even best 40 percent of the systems currently owned throughout the world, but it is adequate for gaming as proven and also did make one very seemingly unimpressionable 12 year old forget about his gamecube and step into the much more rich computer gaming world. For me it also makes me happy because i had to shovel snow and save money to buy my first 286 computer that i ever bought for 500 dollars, that barely ran the first civilization game from sid meir(hope thats how you spell it) that ever came out. Now those were the days.

REMEMBER EVERYTHING IS TRASH EXCEPT COMPUTER PARTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GO RED SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!KILL THE BLUE JAYS!!!!!!!

My Rigs
 
ok, sk6 for $9.99 at svc. go to a B&m and grab a $3 case fan

coolermaster X-dream 8.99 at svc or 9.99 at frys

and once again, he didnt mention ANYTHING about overclocking
 
Originally posted by: stevejst
Here is the comparison of the Intel 2.4C and AMD Barton XP 2500 retail coolers, the second picture. On the right side is the Intel cooler and on the left is the sorry AMD cooler.

Oh, you're one of the bigger is better people too? I should've known.
 
Originally posted by: stevejst
why is the amd cooler sorry??? cuz it's small? who cares?
Because it is sorry. I do not know anybody that overclocks AMD processor using AMD stock cooler. Guess why.
For example in your case the cooling package is SLK-800 which is $30 plus the TT Smart fan which is $10. With the shipping that is about $45-50, right? For what? 2.2 GHz Barton that is 1.83 default? 20% overclock?
The AthlonXP 2500+ produces 20% less heat than the Pentium4 2.4C, so perhaps it doesn't need such a large cooler? Just a thought 🙂
 
Originally posted by: uunitdwestnd

I don't know what YOU consider acceptable frame rates... but you mentioned a Quake 3 demo at 60 fps. I consider 60 fps the minimum acceptable frame rate. Do I get 60 fps in everything? No... and that's why I'm considering buying a new video card soon. You say you're not running any eye candy, and that's acceptable for you... it's not for me... I like eye candy... and I don't consider a game running in 800x600x16 with no AA and no AF and all details options set to low a quality gaming experience.
 
My philosophy of course is to buy the best for your buck, but sometimes you have to make do with the funds that you have. So to me an adequate gaming system for the average person does not involve all that eye candy crap that we look for because its really not needed, it's for presentation, and nothing else. Most people don't even know how to set those settings anyhow. So for most that would be adequate is what i am trying to say. We( meaning people who have a passion for computers) people like you and I can tend to probably go overboard and be looking to see how we can upgrade our computers as best as possible every year or even less. While most keep their computers for years and most have IGP chipsets in their systems. Which makes them inadequate performers for games, unlike the system i gave to my nephew for his birthday. His is adequate for what he wants to do.
 
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