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fskimospy

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During the next 2 years I believe they will put a tax reform bill on Obama's desk that will be largely revenue neutral for individuals. However, I do suspect they may try to lower taxes somewhat for corporations as many don't feel we're on a level playing field with the rest of the world.

Ok so before the next presidential election you think they will put forth a tax bill that is revenue neutral or pretty close to it.

I guess we will find out. I find it highly unlikely. Caveat, they might do it in a way where they cut taxes on the wealthier segments of society and cut a ton of aid to the poor. I think what we are talking about here is something where everyone's tax burden remains broadly similar while lowering rates and eliminating deductions. That's not happening.
 

Mai72

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LMAO at the Republican voters. Are you wealthy? A 1 percenter? If not, then your vote means squat.

Also, Mitch's wife is Chinese. How do we know that she's not sending sensitive documents to the Chinese government?

Good job, Repubs!
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
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Can you tell me what that link has to do with Democrats?

It has to do with your argument. There are two dots and I bet someone can connect them.

Being less greedy and evil is hardly "for the people". I suppose people have all kinds of faith, but I'm an atheist in that regard. You keep doing this comparison between parties. OK, but you haven't come up with a significant difference between how Democrats acted before and how they do now. As much as you might not like it "hope and change" is a good part of why you are out. Of course there's always more hope than change, but it's always been that way.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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LMAO at the Republican voters. Are you wealthy? A 1 percenter? If not, then your vote means squat.

Also, Mitch's wife is Chinese. How do we know that she's not sending sensitive documents to the Chinese government?

Good job, Repubs!

Your vote means squat too, as does mine. The difference is I know when I've been sold a folly. YMMV.
 

Genx87

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LMAO at the Republican voters. Are you wealthy? A 1 percenter? If not, then your vote means squat.

Also, Mitch's wife is Chinese. How do we know that she's not sending sensitive documents to the Chinese government?

Good job, Repubs!

lol what? What is it with Democrats and concern about Asians undermining Murrica? You and FDR should get a room.
 

trenchfoot

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Well, as far back as I can recall, the Repub agenda has always been to cut taxes for the rich, raise taxes on everybpody else (on the down low), get rid of consumer protection regs, get rid of any and all federal assistance/benefit programs, destroy the unions/middle class, make war not peace, scream bloody murder about the need to close the borders yet to absolutely nothing about it, create a political system where the minority party rules the nation but only when the Repubs are in the minority and last but not least speak very loudly and keep swinging that big stick to keep the world in turmoil......for profit.

I don't see how any of that is going to change any time soon.
 

JulesMaximus

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See Obama won because McCain is like 200 years old and Romney put his foot in his mouth on a nearly daily basis. Every election is a battle between two turds, barely anyone votes, and its mostly just a giant battle about who can spend more money to dupe stupid Americans.

Here's my prediction: the USA continues to fall behind the rest of the developed world in everything but military spending and incarceration rates.

:thumbsup: Nailed it.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
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I love how people seem to think that their congressional representative represents them.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-is-congress-a-millionaires-club/

There's plenty of room for debate over whether Congress shares voters' priorities on political and policy issues. But when it comes to personal priorities, at least, voters have good reason to be skeptical of Congress. Most members of Congress simply don't share in the average American experience.

National unemployment has lingered above 8 percent for longer than 28 straight months. Congress, meanwhile, is a club that consists of 245 millionaires. Based on 2009 data, there are currently 66 in the Senate and 179 in the House (among current voting members). So while just 1 percent of Americans are millionaires, 66 percent of senators are millionaires, as are 41 percent of House members.
Yes, this is a two year old article but it is just as valid now as it was when it was written in 2012. Which millionaire is representing you?

Darrell Issa is my millionaire representative. I've never met the guy, never voted for him, I've written him a couple times and gotten a canned e-mail response but he no more represents me than my neighbor's dog does.

Near as I can tell, the only thing he cares about is redistricting so he can continue to get elected and fundraising.
 
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Newell Steamer

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That's me. Simple and gullible.

Correct.

For example; a simple mind can't see how an African virus, that originates from Africa, that has broken out in African, has made it's way into America,.. via the US' southern border.

This idea is so complex, that a simple mind can not fathom it.
 
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Wow, how old are you? You're incredibly naïve.
Judging from his picture below, it appears that he's very young.

dem-crying-baby-seal-1.jpg
 
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zanejohnson

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it's surreal to see some of the comments/etc i've seen on social media after the election.....


it's like watching first time voters, they get all hyped up and patriotic... when just last week the whole government was a conspiracy.. now "their guy," wins,, and you're not gonna be able to tell it was the same country apparently!!

lol..


get real folks... Obama wont be impeached, the ACA won't be repealed.... the only thing that MIGHT happen is....ironically, we may get a min wage increase (and the R's did it)!!!
 

bshole

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Well now that the Republicans have control of the Senate, what is their priority? According to them:

Repealing ObamaCare is a priority, he said, but if that doesn’t work he said lawmakers should go after smaller provisions of the bill. He also called for “meaningful oversight of the administration in the Senate,” with “serious, sober, systematic hearings” on issues ranging from Benghazi to the IRS.

Did they run on investigating the IRS and Benghazi?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ongress-can-obama-gop-end-perpetual-conflict/
 

bshole

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Ready for more scapegoating and scandal mongering? You got it!!


There's been essentially no oversight. I hope we begin serious, systematic, sober hearings, examining executive abuse, regulatory abuse, lawlessness, abuse of power. Whether it is IRS wrongly targeting citizens or the debacle of Benghazi and four Americans who lost their lives and why more was not done to save them, or whether it's the lawlessness that pervaded Obamacare as the president and executive branch has tried to pick and choose which laws to follow. I hope we see serious oversight on those fronts.


These are the pressing issues that effect all Americans according to the incoming class of Republicans.
 

doubledeluxe

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Have a reliable source? Fox news isn't exactly honest.

If their agenda priority is truly that then nothing will get done in the next two years that will benefit Americans.
 

nageov3t

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Well now that the Republicans have control of the Senate, what is their priority? According to them:



Did they run on investigating the IRS and Benghazi?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ongress-can-obama-gop-end-perpetual-conflict/

that quote comes from Ted Cruz, not someone actually in the Republican leadership or considered by anyone to be in the mainstream... and you missed the first part of his quote,

"'Now that we have won the election it is incumbent on Republicans to stand up and lead,' Cruz said. 'It is incumbent on us to deliver with bold, positive, optimistic agenda, focusing on jobs … economic growth and opportunity and focused on defending our constitutional rights.'"
 

nageov3t

Lifer
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Ready for more scapegoating and scandal mongering? You got it!!





These are the pressing issues that effect all Americans according to the incoming class of Republicans.

you're quoting Ted Cruz again, who is not a member of the "incoming class," having been elected 2 years ago.
 

Oldgamer

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it's surreal to see some of the comments/etc i've seen on social media after the election.....


it's like watching first time voters, they get all hyped up and patriotic... when just last week the whole government was a conspiracy.. now "their guy," wins,, and you're not gonna be able to tell it was the same country apparently!!

lol..


get real folks... Obama wont be impeached, the ACA won't be repealed.... the only thing that MIGHT happen is....ironically, we may get a min wage increase (and the R's did it)!!!

^^ This
 

werepossum

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Its statements like this that concern me.

How could you not know that the Democrats changed the filibuster rule in the Senate last year?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/s...-approve-changes-filibuster-rules-f2D11634344

This was a fundamental change in the way the Senate has operated for 200 years.
It was a sensible change though. I don't care what rules the Senate puts in place for its internal deliberations, but it has certain Constitutional responsibilities, and those rules should not be allowed to interfere with meeting those responsibilities. Just as with budgets & spending bills, the Senate owes us deliberation and a vote (advice & consent) on every nominee in a timely fashion. Individual holds and filibusters were preventing this. Ditto with scheduling hearings and votes - this is on McConnell now.

So Republicans aren't actually interested in tax code reform? Is that what you're saying?
He's saying what he always says - if a proposal is not in line with his far left ideals, then it isn't "real" or "serious".

Judging from his picture below, it appears that he's very young.

dem-crying-baby-seal-1.jpg
lol +1
 

Oldgamer

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So I wonder what their upcoming agenda is going to be now, because "anti-obama" ain't cutting it anymore.
 

fskimospy

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It was a sensible change though. I don't care what rules the Senate puts in place for its internal deliberations, but it has certain Constitutional responsibilities, and those rules should not be allowed to interfere with meeting those responsibilities. Just as with budgets & spending bills, the Senate owes us deliberation and a vote (advice & consent) on every nominee in a timely fashion. Individual holds and filibusters were preventing this. Ditto with scheduling hearings and votes - this is on McConnell now.


He's saying what he always says - if a proposal is not in line with his far left ideals, then it isn't "real" or "serious".


lol +1

Lol, yet again, when reality conflicts with what werepossum wants to believe it must be a conspiracy by others to trick you.

Same deal for you as for DSF. I welcome a single plan for revenue neutral tax reform that actually says how it will achieve this revenue neutrality. Whenever you see one you let me know. (The failure of one to arrive will inevitably be the result of some progressive conspiracy, I'm sure)
 
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Lol, yet again, when reality conflicts with what werepossum wants to believe it must be a conspiracy by others to trick you.

Same deal for you as for DSF. I welcome a single plan for revenue neutral tax reform that actually says how it will achieve this revenue neutrality. Whenever you see one you let me know. (The failure of one to arrive will inevitably be the result of some progressive conspiracy, I'm sure)
With refundable tax credits now expected to double to $200B shortly due to ACA, I expect them to address this issue in some manner.