22 y/o female clerk shoots and kills robber

[Red Squirrel]

Awesome. I hope she does not get in trouble. Never get between a mother and her kid. Especially if the mother has a gun.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

The only idiocy going on in this thread is your posting.
I dare you to walk up to some lady and grab her kid. Even the most mild mannered submissive little woman will turn into freddy kruger if you mess with her baby.
Grow up, and get out of your apartment every once in awhile.

I do, all that fresh air allowed me to grow a brain. Perhaps you should try it some time. As new facts are coming out I will just keep laughing my ass off at the rest of you in this thread. I had it right in the very first reply to the OP. This story is bullshit, 100% completely fabricated and anyone who didn't see the gaping logic holes in it right from the start ought to kill themselves to improve the gene pool.

 

[Lithium381]

child or no child, was he robbing her, threatening her in any way? justified.

 

[KlokWyze]

child or no child, was he robbing her, threatening her in any way? justified.

Wrong. Be ready to reap the consequences if you are going to lie to investigators.

 

[Lemon law]

In most states, I wonder if she would be prosecuted.

The Normal self defense castle laws say if the thief is not a direct threat to your safety, and running away from you with maybe some of your property, shooting the perp in the back would be murder.

But when the property the thief is running away with is the infant daughter of the castle owner, I don't think the normal laws and conventional wisdom still applies. Especially since the perp was acting weirdly, and could not be trusted with an infant's life or safety.

In which case normal defense of castle laws reverse, if the perp is threatening you with a weapons and is a genuine threat to your life and safety, every state in the Union says you have every right to use deadly force. As our perp did the instant he grabbed the infant and tried to get out the door.

 

[ShawnD1]

In Canada, she'd serve 25 years without parol and would probably be labelled a dangerous offender.

This. I once asked my dad why we couldn't have a pool and he said he was worried some dipshit teens would jump the fence, swim in the pool, drown because they are drunk, then the family would sue us. He was maybe a little joking, but not really.

 

[highland145]

In most states, I wonder if she would be prosecuted.

The Normal self defense castle laws say if the thief is not a direct threat to your safety, and running away from you with maybe some of your property, shooting the perp in the back would be murder.

But when the property the thief is running away with is the infant daughter of the castle owner, I don't think the normal laws and conventional wisdom still applies. Especially since the perp was acting weirdly, and could not be trusted with an infant's life or safety.

In which case normal defense of castle laws reverse, if the perp is threatening you with a weapons and is a genuine threat to your life and safety, every state in the Union says you have every right to use deadly force. As our perp did the instant he grabbed the infant and tried to get out the door.

Assuming there was a person (non kid), S.C. calls it the "alter ego" effect. You can "assume" you're that person and if in threat of death/serious injury, deadly force if allowed.

Perp has your kid, you have a duty under law to try and protect them.

Otherwise, you can't shoot the perp in the back.

 

[Eos]

Where do the articles state the alleged robber was shot in the back?

 

[mb]

"No children were present."

When?

When the shooting occurred? Or when police arrived? Is it relevant at all? What if she had the father or a family member or friend come get the kids right away? Do 1 and 2 year olds need to stick around a crime scene? I don't think so.

 

[corwin]

I do, all that fresh air allowed me to grow a brain. Perhaps you should try it some time. As new facts are coming out I will just keep laughing my ass off at the rest of you in this thread. I had it right in the very first reply to the OP. This story is bullshit, 100% completely fabricated and anyone who didn't see the gaping logic holes in it right from the start ought to kill themselves to improve the gene pool.

Odds are good when the real details come out she will be justified in her use of force...early "stories" from news outlets often get their "details" from anybody who'll talk to them and frequently they're way off base, the "bullshit" is most likely coming from their source. And you're just a douche...

 

[LTC8K6]

This version is slightly different.

And I still can't believe there is such a training course...

Hernandez came in [the] store acting erratically, causing 22-year-old manager Elizabeth Easterly to be worried for her safety, according to the sheriff’s office. When Hernandez came around to her side of the counter, she grabbed a gun and shot him once in the leg.

When she ran outside to alert a school crossing guard, Hernandez grabbed the stroller with Easterly’s child and carried it toward the door. He put the stroller down, ran outside and was tackled by another man who was coming to work, the report said.

His granddaughter had taken a training course in which she was taught to shoot a person in the legs to disable them, he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ear-old-girl/2011/10/19/gIQAM7LxwL_story.html

 

[M0RPH]

Whoa, this Wash Post version is nothing like the original.

Hernandez came in store acting erratically, causing 22-year-old manager Elizabeth Easterly to be worried for her safety, according to the sheriff’s office. When Hernandez came around to her side of the counter, she grabbed a gun and shot him once in the leg.

Acting erratically? Is that enough reason to shoot someone? Did he actually threaten her in some way?

When she ran outside to alert a school crossing guard, Hernandez grabbed the stroller with Easterly’s child and carried it toward the door. He put the stroller down, ran outside and was tackled by another man who was coming to work, the report said.

Could it be he picked up the kid to keep this chick from shooting him again??

“I’m so thankful God saved my granddaughter and my grandbabies, because this guy was really vicious,” Ackerman said.

In what way was the guy vicious, I wonder? Still haven't heard about anything vicious he did.

“She’s pretty much in shock, but she saved the baby,” said Easterly’s grandmother, Nancy Ackerman.

Umm, she saved the baby? He didn't pick up the baby until after she shot him. Then he put the baby back down by himself and some other guy tackled him. How did she save the baby?

This story is messed up.

 

[alkemyst]

I want to see the video, that "grabbed the stroller" bit is a little too convenient. She's hiding something.

yeah a penis.

 

[highland145]

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Acting erratically? Is that enough reason to shoot someone? Did he actually threaten her in some way?

Granted there may be more to the story but come around my counter and I will, most likely, shoot you.

 

[LTC8K6]

Granted there may be more to the story but come around my counter and I will, most likely, shoot you.

You can't shoot someone just for going into an unauthorized area in the store.

There would have to be more to it than that.

 

[highland145]

You can't shoot someone just for going into an unauthorized area in the store.

There would have to be more to it than that.

I'm in a cash business and 6'1" 200lbs so I'd make a decision "at the moment." Pray that I never have to. But getting shot is a very real possibility. Again, that's not a decision I'd like to make or situation that I want to be in.

Haven't seen the 22 year old but she'd get a lot more leeway shooting someone than I would.

 

[Lifted]

Wait. Kid is in the stroller, guy is pushing stroller, and she aims for his knee? Wouldn't this be the time to aim for the torso since knee level is just about baby-in-stroller level?

 

[Eos]

The story:

 

[TheVrolok]

I have to assume this is just the article author taking some liberties here, as I've never heard of anyone being taught to aim for a knee. That's not exactly the easiest target to hit in the middle of the adrenaline rush from a guy taking off with your daughter.

Agreed. I don't know anyone who would teach to shoot at the knee.

Bleed out from popliteal artery.

ftfy


Edit: Now that I've seen the other story, I'm confused, and this story is a bit .. off.

 

[LTC8K6]

Wait. Kid is in the stroller, guy is pushing stroller, and she aims for his knee? Wouldn't this be the time to aim for the torso since knee level is just about baby-in-stroller level?

That seems unlikely.

The version of the story where she shot him first, and he grabbed the stroller later, so she would not shoot him again, seems more like the truth.

 

[max347]

kudos to her, but i'm also of the opinion that all home invaders/armed robbers deserve to be dragged out back and disposed of with a bullet or two.

+1

all i want to know is... Was it a boooom! Headshot?

+2

 

[midwestfisherman]

I want to see the video, that "grabbed the stroller" bit is a little too convenient. She's hiding something.

What an ASSinine ASSumption!

Glad she was able to defend herself and her children. One less dirtbag in the world!

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

But, but, but.... is she hot?

 

[Lithium381]

But, but, but.... is she hot?

wow took three pages...... granted i didn't click the link is there a picture?

 

[HAL9000]

:thumbsdown: