22 kiddies by 14 babiemamas

[werepossum]

Authoritarians and authoritarian societies always fail.

One billion Chinese beg to differ.

 

[nehalem256]

Power Engineer made the point that if there are no natural rights (a concept I reject but many embrace) then this man's genes are superior, since he is best fulfilling (albeit much like the cuckoo bird) his biological drive. Absent some sort of larger morality, this minimum wage baby daddy is Homo Novus, the future evolution of our species.

Not really, as the only thing keep his children alive is "larger morality" of not letting poor kids starve.

 

[werepossum]

Not really, as the only thing keep his children alive is "larger morality" of not letting poor kids starve.

So perhaps Homo novus is an evolutionary dead end. However, that's only the case if he first takes down Homo sapiens. Until Homo sapiens' society is destroyed, Homo novus will continue to outcompete him.

Although given this man's proclivities, perhaps he'd be better styled Homo erectus part deux.

 

[zsdersw]

And yet according to you authoritarian social policies should cause a civilization to collapse. In the 30 years since the introduction of the one-child policy China has been one of the fastest developing countries in the world.

You thesis is seemingly contradicted.

China's fast development is because of economic liberalization and free markets. Authoritarian social policies that are too oppressive result in revolution.

Are you an idiot? 100s of years is a substantial amount of time in recorded human history. If you are really going to try and argue that if a civilization collapses after a 1000 of authoritarian rule... well I think you lose the argument.

No, I'm not an idiot but you appear to be. Severely authoritarian governments and the cultures they try to impose don't endure. See: Nazi Germany, USSR.

Really? Beyond a few insane feminists I don't think anyone really supports allowing people to have children with more than 2 partners.

They may not support that, but they also don't support your idea of how to enforce it. It's quite extreme, and extreme and radical things are not widely supported.

 

[zsdersw]

One billion Chinese beg to differ.

The Nazi party and the communist government of the former Soviet Union do not beg to differ.

 

[Mursilis]

Absent some sort of larger morality, this minimum wage baby daddy is Homo Novus, the future evolution of our species.

I don't remember reading that this guy actually had a (legit) job. Maybe I missed that part of the article. Didn't he say something about not finding work because of a criminal record? That does seem to make most employers think twice about hiring you.

 

[nehalem256]

China's fast development is because of economic liberalization and free markets. Authoritarian social policies that are too oppressive result in revolution.

And yet where is this revolt? Far from a revolt we see one of the fastest developing countries in the world despite (or perhaps at least partly because of) the oppressive social policy.

Have you even given a moment of thought of what would have happened with 100s of millions of extra Chinese?

No, I'm not an idiot but you appear to be. Severely authoritarian governments and the cultures they try to impose don't endure. See: Nazi Germany, USSR.

Yeah its not like having their cities razed to the ground had anything to do with that 🙄

And the USSR stood for 70 years and fell not because of any oppressive social policy but because of a failed economy. And for the record I believe Russia still has one of the highest abortion rates in the world.

And you might want to look at when Russia has had economic growth after the USSR (HINT: it was under the authoritarian Putin).

 

[zsdersw]

And yet where is this revolt? Far from a revolt we see one of the fastest developing countries in the world despite (or perhaps at least partly because of) the oppressive social policy.

Have you even given a moment of thought of what would have happened with 100s of millions of extra Chinese?

China has found the right blend of economic development (to increase happiness), censorship, propaganda (to thwart curiosity about non-state-approved things), and punishment (to put down any rabble-rousers) to hold off revolution.

All that glitters is not gold, however. There will come a time when the westernizing of China's economy will threaten the power of their quasi-communist/socialist government and their people will no longer be forced to stay behind the Great Firewall of China. This will result in either a new government or a major reworking of the existing government.

Yeah its not like having their cities razed to the ground had anything to do with that 🙄

The more extreme the oppression, the more likely the collapse... from either internal or external forces.

And the USSR stood for 70 years and fell not because of any oppressive social policy but because of a failed economy. And for the record I believe Russia still has one of the highest abortion rates in the world.

Childbirth is not the only social policy area where oppression can be severe.

And you might want to look at when Russia has had economic growth after the USSR (HINT: it was under the authoritarian Putin).

Well, when you start out so low, the only place you can go is up. Russia's economic growth has nothing to do with any social policies.

 

[nehalem256]

China has found the right blend of economic development (to increase happiness), censorship, propaganda (to thwart curiosity about non-state-approved things), and punishment (to put down any rabble-rousers) to hold off revolution.

All that glitters is not gold, however. There will come a time when the westernizing of China's economy will threaten the power of their quasi-communist/socialist government and their people will no longer be forced to stay behind the Great Firewall of China. This will result in either a new government or a major reworking of the existing government.

Sounds like you are all butt-hurt that China is contradicting your thesis.

The more extreme the oppression, the more likely the collapse... from either internal or external forces.

The oppression had nothing to do with the collapse. The collapse happened because of failed wars. I mean really do you know anything of history?

Well, when you start out so low, the only place you can go is up. Russia's economic growth has nothing to do with any social policies.

Russia's economic growth would seem to be in direct contradiction to what you claim should be happening. That seems to be a theme with you.

 

[WackyDan]

vasectomy? He won't get one as he suggests... Too much pride for that.

 

[zsdersw]

Sounds like you are all butt-hurt that China is contradicting your thesis.

It isn't, and I'm not.

The oppression had nothing to do with the collapse. The collapse happened because of failed wars. I mean really do you know anything of history?

You're an idiot if you don't think Widerstand, the Polish Underground State, and the French Resistance and Italian Resistance played a big part in the collapse of Nazi Germany.

Russia's economic growth would seem to be in direct contradiction to what you claim should be happening.

Last time I checked, the reign of one or two presidents is not a significant sample size.

That seems to be a theme with you.

Your themes include: inanity, idiocy, banality, and general douchebaggery.

 

[nehalem256]

You're an idiot if you don't think Widerstand, the Polish Underground State, and the French Resistance and Italian Resistance played a big part in the collapse of Nazi Germany.

I think that the Red Army and having their cities(and military production capabilities) bombed into rubble were a MUCH bigger issue.

Also, note your mention of resistance in CONQUERED territories. That would seem to add to my thesis that of poorly planned military expansion being the problem.

Last time I checked, the reign of one or two presidents is not a significant sample size.

So then clearly we cannot look at Nazi Germany as an example as the reign of one President is not a significant sample size 😀

 

[zsdersw]

I think that the Red Army and having their cities(and military production capabilities) bombed into rubble were a MUCH bigger issue.

Also, note your mention of resistance in CONQUERED territories. That would seem to add to my thesis that of poorly planned military expansion being the problem.

Conquered territories were still subject to all the abuses the Nazis imposed, fostering and feeding the resistance.

So then clearly we cannot look at Nazi Germany as an example as the reign of one President is not a significant sample size 😀

Putin did not represent a major party/government change like Hitler and the Nazi party did.

 

[nehalem256]

Conquered territories were still subject to all the abuses the Nazis imposed, fostering and feeding the resistance.

Oh please a conquered territory is pretty much going to inherently be a resistance issue. Are you really that stupid?

Nazi authoritarianism had pretty much nothing to do with resistance in conquered territories. That is a problem caused by Nazi militarism.

I think we all get it. You apparently think that if we are "authoritarian" and keep guys from father children with a dozen babymommas that next we will be authoritarian and stone gay people right? I mean that is really the only "logical" explanation behind your stupidity.

Of course the fact that you apparently see a connection between fathering children with a dozen different women and homosexuality is pretty revealing on what you actually think of the gay lifestyle.

 

[zsdersw]

Are you really that stupid?

Stop talking about yourself.

Nazi authoritarianism had pretty much nothing to do with resistance in conquered territories. That is a problem caused by Nazi militarism.

Tomayto, tomahto.

I think we all get it. You apparently think that if we are "authoritarian" and keep guys from father children with a dozen babymommas that next we will be authoritarian and stone gay people right? I mean that is really the only "logical" explanation behind your stupidity.

Your stupidity has a thousand fathers, but this isn't about you and it isn't about me. What this is about is a government that can force sterility can come up with a justification for forcing other medical procedures.

Your solution, forced sterility, is not only unconstitutional it is extreme.. and incredibly unpopular.

Of course the fact that you apparently see a connection between fathering children with a dozen different women and homosexuality is pretty revealing on what you actually think of the gay lifestyle.

What does homosexuality or the "gay lifestyle" (whatever that is) have to do with this? I certainly didn't bring it up.

 

[nehalem256]

Tomayto, tomahto.

The butt-hurt is coming out.

Your stupidity has a thousand fathers, but this isn't about you and it isn't about me. What this is about is a government that can force sterility can come up with a justification for forcing other medical procedures.

You mean like the homosexuality "fixing" treatments... am I right?:sneaky:

Your solution, forced sterility, is not only unconstitutional it is extreme.. and incredibly unpopular.

At least I have a solution.

What does homosexuality or the "gay lifestyle" (whatever that is) have to do with this? I certainly didn't bring it up.

Every thread you start is related to homosexuality.

And I thought I explained it nicely. If an "authoritarianism" government keeps men from fathering children with a dozen babymommas then obviously next they will be stoning gay people. Am I right?

Its a bit amusing that you see a connection between the 2.

 

[RampantAndroid]

How did a thread about 22 babies somehow end up with homosexuality being the subject?!

Ugh.

 

[zsdersw]

The butt-hurt is coming out.

You keep talking about yourself, but no one's listening.

You mean like the homosexuality "fixing" treatments... am I right?:sneaky:

No.

At least I have a solution.

Yes, go ahead and lead with that solution. No one will follow you. A leader with no followers is just a guy taking a walk.

It's not a solution, it's a fantasy.

What's infinitely more workable is removing the burden from society for all these children and placing it exclusively on the parents.

Every thread you start is related to homosexuality.

And I thought I explained it nicely. If an "authoritarianism" government keeps men from fathering children with a dozen babymommas then obviously next they will be stoning gay people. Am I right?

No, you're not right.. as usual.

Its a bit amusing that you see a connection between the 2.

You can draw whatever connections your puny mind wants. Continuing to do so makes a residence with padded walls more and more what's up next for you.

 

[zsdersw]

How did a thread about 22 babies somehow end up with homosexuality being the subject?!

Ugh.

nehalem256 started posting in it. He likes to talk about homosexuality far too much for a straight guy.

 

[werepossum]

The Nazi party and the communist government of the former Soviet Union do not beg to differ.

Some of every kind of government will fail. However, today perhaps a fourth of all humans live in authoritarian societies.

I don't remember reading that this guy actually had a (legit) job. Maybe I missed that part of the article. Didn't he say something about not finding work because of a criminal record? That does seem to make most employers think twice about hiring you.

I thought I read that he had a minimum wage job and 50% of his paycheck is divided up among his 22 children, yielding some as little as $1.29 a week. But maybe I dreamed it. Especially since he specifically says in the interview that he can't pay child support right now.

His statement was that it is hard to get a stable, well-paying job with his criminal record.

However, Shaw said that his criminal record makes it difficult for him to land a stable, well-paying job. But he seems to have a fool-proof financial plan in place.
‘I play the hell out of the Tennessee lottery,’ he boasted. ‘I don’t block my blessings.'

So you may be right, he may not have a job at all.

 

[nehalem256]

Yes, go ahead and lead with that solution. No one will follow you. A leader with no followers is just a guy taking a walk.

It's not a solution, it's a fantasy.

What's infinitely more workable is removing the burden from society for all these children and placing it exclusively on the parents.

So you solution is to let children starve... D:

There we have it. Better to let a child starve than tell an animal what to do.

 

[zsdersw]

So you solution is to let children starve... D:

There we have it. Better to let a child starve than tell an animal what to do.

No, it is better to remove the government-imposed burden of caring for these children and let people donate charitably toward their care if they so choose.

 

[zsdersw]

Some of every kind of government will fail. However, today perhaps a fourth of all humans live in authoritarian societies.

Yes, this page verifies your figure: http://www.freedomhouse.org/report/special-reports/worst-worst-2012-worlds-most-repressive-societies

Given the economies of those most repressive countries, I think it skewers nehalem's theory that authoritarianism produces higher economic growth. North Korea being the prime example of how this theory falls apart.

I realize there is a lot of authoritarianism in the world, but do any of you honestly think these severely repressed countries/governments have durability as severely repressive countries/governments in the long run? I don't.

 

[nehalem256]

No, it is better to remove the government-imposed burden of caring for these children and let people donate charitably toward their care if they so choose.

Yeah, so in other words children will starve.

Yes, this page verifies your figure: http://www.freedomhouse.org/report/special-reports/worst-worst-2012-worlds-most-repressive-societies

Given the economies of those most repressive countries, I think it skewers nehalem's theory that authoritarianism produces higher economic growth. North Korea being the prime example of how this theory falls apart.

Why is Somalia on the list? I thought it was suppose to be a libertarian uptopia 😀

I realize there is a lot of authoritarianism in the world, but do any of you honestly think these severely repressed countries/governments have durability as severely repressive countries/governments in the long run? I don't.

Do you really think that a society that has "people" father children with 14 babiemamas has any durability as civilized societies in the long run?

And besides it doesn't matter to you. If the countries survive in the long run you will just redefine what constitutes "long run"

 

[Svnla]

In the mean while, the state of Tenn. (working taxpayers) is paying at least $7,000 USD per month or $84,000 USD per year to take care of his kids. The money that could be spend elsewhere and more worthwhile. In the comment section, this person wrote:

As a black man, married to ONE woman with only TWO children, that are MINE; I am sick and disgusted at this!!!!!
- Mr. Moto , Al Ghire, United States, 07/6/2013 16:06