2100+ Tbred B (? -> yes!) at newegg for 92->101 dollars (1/14/03)

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
If you're considering spending the extra $10, consider getting the Antec TruePower330. It has fully-independent 3.3V + 5V lines totalling 242W, extra-tight load regulation, and is quieter too!

hey!, where'd you find this info? i don't see it on the antec site... just says 310W MAX from all 3 lines...

i c.... 30*5+28*3.3 = 242.4W HOWEVER

the SL350...
35*5+28*3.3 = 267.4W!!! is this correct? or am i pulling this out of my butt?

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: mechBgon
If you're considering spending the extra $10, consider getting the Antec TruePower330. It has fully-independent 3.3V + 5V lines totalling 242W, extra-tight load regulation, and is quieter too!

hey!, where'd you find this info? i don't see it on the antec site... just says 310W MAX from all 3 lines...

i c.... 30*5+28*3.3 = 242.4W HOWEVER

the SL350...
35*5+28*3.3 = 267.4W!!! is this correct? or am i pulling this out of my butt?

Half correct! On the Antec TruePowers, they don't pull the 3.3V and 5V power from a common source... the 3.3V and 5V each have their own, and so the math holds.

On the SmartPowers, like most PSUs out there, the 3.3V and 5V compete for a common source, which is 230W. It can pull all 230 on 5V but leave none for 3.3V, or all 230 on the 3.3V with none left for 5V, or they can play tug-of-war. So that's why the PSU makers list that "combined" rating on these types of setups.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Half correct! On the Antec TruePowers, they don't pull the 3.3V and 5V power from a common source... the 3.3V and 5V each have their own, and so the math holds.

On the SmartPowers, like most PSUs out there, the 3.3V and 5V compete for a common source, which is 230W. It can pull all 230 on 5V but leave none for 3.3V, or all 230 on the 3.3V with none left for 5V, or they can play tug-of-war. So that's why the PSU makers list that "combined" rating on these types of setups.

Hehe yah what Mech said Also, don't buy any PSU retail!!!! (unless its MicroCenter, currently 20% off) If you can wait and settle for a smaller overclock for a few days, you can pick up an AWESOME PSU for $66 shipped (Antec TruePower 430W) at Amazon in the hot deals forum. Again, as Mech said, each individual rail can draw its actual rated power to the extent of the total W's for the PSU. The total W available for the 3.3, 5 and 12V rails is 410W I believe, so depending on where your PSU is most loaded, power to the rail that needs it the most is allocated better.

Chiz

Edit: Did you use some sort of voltage monitor and see your rails dipping under load??? Lotsa times people think their PSUs are just fine until they run some type of monitor and check their rails

 

[Shimmishim]

yeah i did ... the 3.3V rail is only at 2.5V .... a lil problem

anyway, i'm going to return this as soon as i get my sparkle/fortron 350W from newegg.... i know it's cheaper at directron.com but they are out of stock at directron...

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
yeah i did ... the 3.3V rail is only at 2.5V .... a lil problem

anyway, i'm going to return this as soon as i get my sparkle/fortron 350W from newegg.... i know it's cheaper at directron.com but they are out of stock at directron...

3.3 at 2.5v?? WoAH..WTF??

 

[drewdogg808]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
yeah i did ... the 3.3V rail is only at 2.5V .... a lil problem

anyway, i'm going to return this as soon as i get my sparkle/fortron 350W from newegg.... i know it's cheaper at directron.com but they are out of stock at directron...

that's your dimm voltage. the 8rda doesn't report the 3.3v rail for some reason.

 

[Shimmishim]

yeah i know it doesn't... i looked it up on sandra... that's what it was reported at....

 

[RedWolf]

I just got my 2100 yesterday from Newegg. I got hosed by TCW as well. I talked to z-buy and they said they have them in stock. If they don't, I'll be rather unhappy. I sold my GTR already and will need to ship it out this week. The most annoying thing about it was the TCW had my order for four days before sending me an email saying they were out of stock.

In the meantime, I popped the 2100 into my AK35-GTR and tried 166. No go. Didn't figure it would as the GTR has trouble making it much past 145 (poor pci dividers). But, I was able to lower the multiplier. I lowered it to 8 and set the fsb to 133 and it booted as a 2600. (2130 mhz) I upped the fsb to 145 and it booted at 2320. I haven't really tried to get much more out of it since it's only temporary, but it sure breathes new life into the 266a board. Now, I just hope I get a new board before this one has to go bye-bye.

 

[mechBgon]

Mwave.com! $104.50, hurry while they've got 'em!

 

[Su1c1da1]

woooooohooooooo got my 2100+ today at Fry's AIUHB, week 0302 or something like that, weird thing is... its suppose to be 1.625 Vcore? but it default to 1.6 on my Asus A7N8X Deluxe.

running it at 13.5x170 (using sucky 2100 valueram) = 2295mhz @ 1.8vcore (1.824 under prime95 on Asus Probe)

Cpu Temp @ 49C Under Prime95 using AS2 w/ Volcano 7+

 

[Jen]

Originally posted by: Su1c1da1
woooooohooooooo got my 2100+ today at Fry's AIUHB, week 0302 or something like that, weird thing is... its suppose to be 1.625 Vcore? but it default to 1.6 on my Asus A7N8X Deluxe.

running it at 13.5x170 (using sucky 2100 valueram) = 2295mhz @ 1.8vcore (1.824 under prime95 on Asus Probe)

Cpu Temp @ 49C Under Prime95 using AS2 w/ Volcano 7+

week 50 . green chip at 13 x 166 with 1.73 volts is what it is takeing to be stable so far. motherboard is abit kx7 333r and i havent found a way to higher multiplier other than 13. any help on multiplier would be of great help right now.

tempurature is maxing at 41c with prime 95 useing mbm


Jen

 

[chizow]

damn..nice temps Jen. Mine runs like 49-51C with prime 95 running. Btw, is it bad to run prime 95 AND memtest98 at the same time? hehe b/c I ran em together last night and prime got through 5 tests (no errors, it just wasn't doing any work ) lol....anyways memtest got through 1022%, thats what I wanted to stress anyways.

You'd definitely have more room to play with that chip, but it looks like either your RAM or a divider is holding you back. If you can't push the FSB any further, than unlocking is gonna take some extra work. Some have physically altered their chips (cutting bridges and connecting another), and others have used a wire trick on the pins of the chip to get the higher multis. Unfortunately, it only sounds like KT400 and Nforce2 boards can do this by grounding that pin through the BIOS. Not sure if you want to get that involved, but if you do I could probably dig up the link.

Chiz

 

[Jen]

Originally posted by: chizow
damn..nice temps Jen. Mine runs like 49-51C with prime 95 running. Btw, is it bad to run prime 95 AND memtest98 at the same time? hehe b/c I ran em together last night and prime got through 5 tests (no errors, it just wasn't doing any work ) lol....anyways memtest got through 1022%, thats what I wanted to stress anyways.

You'd definitely have more room to play with that chip, but it looks like either your RAM or a divider is holding you back. If you can't push the FSB any further, than unlocking is gonna take some extra work. Some have physically altered their chips (cutting bridges and connecting another), and others have used a wire trick on the pins of the chip to get the higher multis. Unfortunately, it only sounds like KT400 and Nforce2 boards can do this by grounding that pin through the BIOS. Not sure if you want to get that involved, but if you do I could probably dig up the link.

Chiz

still running prime 95 at the moment. if it makes it overnight i will step it up a bit more fsb. i know this memory was pretested to do 215 at 3 volts fsb however i never have achieved this speed with this motherboard. i dont know what the maximum fsb i can achieve. my hard drives is my main concern as i dont want to corrupt my old time radio shows. so if i have i have to run at less speed then that is what i will do.

i am considering a nforce 2 board as i dont want to cut this chip or try to do anything else to it other than what i can do in bios. this is a voltage modified motherboard so i can go higher with the voltage



Jen

 

[MichaelD]

I'm stable right now at 12x180 (2160MHz) @ 1.675v. I like that voltage.

I have a question...not really expecting an answer, but throwing it out to make me feel better.

Why does Prime95 always seem to error when CPU temp breaks 50C? As long as CPU temp is below 50C, I can run Prime95, while looping 3DMArk, or while emailing, playing a game of Tetris in a window, etc.

I KNOW I can go 185 or even 190FSB, but then I have to up the voltage, and then the CPU temp breaks 50C. I am stable all the way up to 57C (highest I've been so far) in 3DMark and all other apps, BUT above 50C Prime95 goes koo-koo.

The solution of course, is to stay below 50C . I have faster fans I could put on the AX-7. I already have a nice layer of AS3 on there.

Right now Im' idling at 42C w/a case temp of 33C. My two case fans are controlled by the Antec Trupower PS. They turn VERY slowly, no matter what. I could get lower case temps by plugging the fans straight into the PS...but then there's more noise....I hate a noisy case.

"Aye, there's the rub!"

 

[MichaelD]

Jen, I'm sure you have a burner, right? Anything you can't bear losing should be at least burnt to a CD. 700mb is a lot of space. My main rigs' HD is "losable." All my pics/important stuff is mostly on the server, partially on CDs. Just a thought, that 's all.

I am jealous of your temps, though. What CPU HSF are you running again?

 

[Jen]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Jen, I'm sure you have a burner, right? Anything you can't bear losing should be at least burnt to a CD. 700mb is a lot of space. My main rigs' HD is "losable." All my pics/important stuff is mostly on the server, partially on CDs. Just a thought, that 's all.

I am jealous of your temps, though. What CPU HSF are you running again?

i have a 160 GB drive i back up my shows to once a month. also five 80 gb drives i save my shows to as well. my collection is 28,000 shows and ever so climbing. i have burned over 300 cds worth of shows to keep for safe keeping. still its ever increaseing or changeing so not all the shows can be burned to cd. its a never ending job to take care of


i use a custom water cooling system


spiral water block
350 gph dan mag pump
12 inch x 5 5/8 heater core with dual 120mm fans
half inch water lines to keep this all going

this setup has worked well for all my overclocking needs and i hope it continues doing so. i started useing water cooling over 2 yrs ago and never have regretted it since


Jen

 

[MichaelD]

:Q Ho-lee crap, am I outclassed!!!!:Q That's one heckuva setup! No wonder you CPU temps are so low....Sweeeet.

Also, you have um...some pretty big storage needs! You have over 28K shows "taped?" What shows, if I may be so nosy...I think it's cool that you do that. Do you have an All-In-Wonder or some other TV tuner card? That's so neat....

Just my two cents (you know this already, but I"m feeling yappy )

An extra 100MHz or so is not worth sacrificing stability for, ESPECIALLY in a rig as critical as yours. For bragging/benchmark rights, of course it matters but I'd rather have a stable rig than the fastest rig.

Good luck to you. These T-Breds are most certainly DaBomb.

 

[Jen]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
:Q Ho-lee crap, am I outclassed!!!!:Q That's one heckuva setup! No wonder you CPU temps are so low....Sweeeet.

cooling i am impressed with as well especially with this processor. i seen the core and i thought well i dont think this is going to do so well cause it is so small. so far it is same temps as my 1600+ was so i am very happy with this. prime 95 raises my temps by 6c while toast will raise it by 10c. toast will be another one i will try when i get a chance to just make sure its good.

Also, you have um...some pretty big storage needs! You have over 28K shows "taped?" What shows, if I may be so nosy...I think it's cool that you do that. Do you have an All-In-Wonder or some other TV tuner card? That's so neat....

these shows are from the 1930s to early 1960s . they were originally broadcasted on radio . some of these same shows were later on TV.

Just my two cents (you know this already, but I"m feeling yappy )

An extra 100MHz or so is not worth sacrificing stability for, ESPECIALLY in a rig as critical as yours. For bragging/benchmark rights, of course it matters but I'd rather have a stable rig than the fastest rig.

Good luck to you. These T-Breds are most certainly DaBomb.

i do agree with you. my previous chip would run 175 fsb without any problems so hopefully i can repeat this with this chip. but if it takes alot of voltage then i wont . stability to me matters most of all

 

[chizow]

Hehe yah, that bit of FUD about the smaller core was dispelled pretty early on. I actually noticed lower temps with my T-bred A (the first ones, 1700+, week 32) way back in November. Then the naysayers were saying it was b/c of the socket thermistor, but temps are relative regardless of where they are taken from. Anyways, I think in the end it ended up being a boon for all copper HSF makers As for temperature and actual ability to OC, definite improvement over the Palominos, but not such a huge improvement over the T-birds in the T-bred A, as mine was cool, just didn't OC much more than a Pally. Those T-birds though would OC like crazy and run hot as hell :Q

Chiz

 

[pillage2001]

Anybody know if A7V266E unlocks the tbred??? I know it doesn't with newer bios but what about older ones??

 

[Shimmishim]

i give up on my 2100+

i don't think it'll get more than 2125@ 1.8V

what crap!!!

but my temps are running high... so i'm kind of confused now by this...

my temps are now hitting almost 50C with my slk-800 and TT smart fan 2

with my taisol cgk76XXX92 @ 1950 mhz@ 1.875V, temps were hitting 51C.....


are my temps running higher due to higher speeds?

argh... i swear, i get the worst chips from a batch...

 

[mechBgon]

Have you got your new PSU yet? Don't give up 'til you've got that in there

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Have you got your new PSU yet? Don't give up 'til you've got that in there

i have the antec solution series 350W in right now... doesn't seem to have helped much....

i stilll need to figure out why my temps are so high at the moment... up to 51C at full load... makes no sense...

 

[RedWolf]

Shimm, have you tried taking the hsf off and cleaning the cpu and heat sink, then reapplying your paste? Also, make sure you have the hs on correctly. Even someting small like the ATX power connectory putting pressure on the heat sink can really mess your cooling up.

I have played with mine a bit more even though I expect (hope) to get my 8rda+ on tuesday or wednesday. I've got it running very stable (ran prime 95 since 11:30 this morning and everything is going smooth. Temps are at 40 degrees with the fsb at 139, cpu is at 2297. Running an AX-7 with a Thermaltake smartfan (from a volcano 7). Of course, it is a bit loud at nearly 4000 rpm but I'll mess with that tomorrow and see how low I can set the resistor and keep it to 45 or below. The 2100 is just amazing, running on a 266a with such a nice overclock.

 

[drewdogg808]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Have you got your new PSU yet? Don't give up 'til you've got that in there

i have the antec solution series 350W in right now... doesn't seem to have helped much....

i stilll need to figure out why my temps are so high at the moment... up to 51C at full load... makes no sense...

don't worry too much about your temps, as long as it's stable. if it hits 60 and up, then start worrying.